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candie wrote:kihisho wrote:candie wrote:
Steve are You so afraid of evil coming to Your neighborhood that
you look for it everywhere?
Did You know that the Bible calls a fear of evil,an unsound mind?
Did You know that the Bible says that a fear of evil shows a lack of faith?
There is a definitive difference between " fear " of evil and vigilance and combat against evil.
One does not necessarily predicate the other.
I never said it did. They way Steve condemns everything He don't like is fear. He has even admitted that he's believes evil will attack and come through an open gate if he gets too close to it. The Bible does not agree with that belief. Condemning and judging everyone on everything is not being vigilant. it's being afraid. The Bible says it's a sign of a lack of faith and an unsound mind. It also says that fear of evil will breed evil.I can understand that now. It's evil for anyone to believe that humans are basically evil and it's evil to look for evil in almost everything. If a Bible believing Christian wants to find evil, all they have to do is read the Bible. It is not healthy to be that obsessed with finding evil. It is not healthy to look for evil everywhere we go.It is not healthy to believe that every thing we disagree with is evil. Obsession is fear. Anyone obssesed with anything is fearful, regardless of what you call it. Obsession is a sign of an unsound mind.
You didn't have to " say it "...it was clearly evident from what you did say...you can't hide behind " I didn't specifically say such and so " as much as perhaps you might desire...I won't buy it.
As for the rest, your statements are once again your own perception and opinion of the possible relavent texts in question, and your opinion is not shared by all nor is it spiritually correct in many instances.
The Bible says that all men have sinned, and that all men are born into sin, therefore logically meaning all are inherently evil wether you believe such or not. It's what the Bible teaches about our inherent " sin nature "...period.
As for " looking for evil ".....yes we certainly should because it will and does " look for " us wether we admit it or not. Likewise " lookingt for good " in everything is also extremely unhealthy as it does not reflect the greatest percentage of common reality in this present world.
There is of course more I could say to attempt to instruct and clarify, but it is apparent you personally refuse to heed the warnings offered by others concerning spiritual reality.
Therefore, again I will say that we stand a vast distance apart on many things and that apparently no way exists to stride the distance, at least in this physical realm for the time being.
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Again Steve isn't so stupid that he didn't recognize it as a song.
That was apparant.Even if someone believed it wasn't, the fact that it had a title and
a writer is a dead giveaway.
Noone is so ignorant that they don't understand"heaven on earth" is a poetic phrase
and has nothing to do with a person wanting to set up their own heaven on earth.
Noone can be that dumb.
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As for the fear of evil.
he Bible says it's a sign of a lack of faith and an unsound mind.
Evi doesn't look for anyone.
Evil dooers do.
Evilcannot exist in anyone that isn't willing to carry it.
Evi does not kick down the door to find us.
Evil does not enter an open gate.
Evil needs an agreeable host to even exist.
If You refuse to let evil in then,at least for you, evil doesn't exist at that particular time.
Evil is not an air born virus. It cannot be spread by close contact.
Not even satan can take over You soul if you and God don't want it to happen.
The Bible says that if Your faith is strong enough,God will protect you from evil.
Believing that we have to search out evil and stop it is not Biblical.
It is showing a lack of faith in God's promise to keep us from evil.
Why should I look for evil? God said I don't need to.
He said that he would protect me from evil,
although i walk through the valley of the shadow of death.
I Let God do what he promised.If I go looking for evil, i will probably find it, or it will find me first.
If I leave it to God to keep His word, it won't find me.
Going through life looking for evil attracts evil and shows no faith in God.
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candie wrote:
I never said God left an in between, except for luke warm, which is actually an in between, since You brought it up.God also didn't leave room for harrassment of those we don't agree with.
God didn't leave an in between for showing brotherly love.
There are a lot of songs that have nothing to do with religion.
You like using the more modern definitions of words,so the more modern use of heaven, when not in gospel music is that of paradise. Steve knew that but saw a chance to harass mistero over it.It had nothing to do with His belief that some human is trying to move heave3n down to earth. He isn't taht dumb, and noone is dumb enough to believe He didn't understand the song.
It isn't healthy to follow someone around and harass them simply because we have a vedetta against them.
That obsession.It's evil.
No in between Jwest. Lukewarm isn't in btween either, not at all, Jesus said it was worse than straight evil....so again you have two sides with no actual in between.
AS for songs....well I have personally never heard or read a song that didn't have religious basis or connotation. You might of course insist that there are a lot of songs that don't MENTION anything specifically religious, but that in no way means they aren't religiously oriented or biased. Give the lyrics to any song you might wish and it can easily be broken down to show its originating focus.....either upon God or man, and since all mankind is inherently evil.....well...there we are with the two sides again.
As for whatever you are talking about concerning the song Mistero posted, I don't have enough detail on it or whatever is " going on " over it to make any accurate judgement one way or the other, which is why I posted several possible qualifiers a few posts up. To be clear, I am not at this time " taking sides " on whatever the issue might be concerning Misteros Blog post.
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candie wrote:
Again Steve isn't so stupid that he didn't recognize it as a song.
That was apparant.Even if someone believed it wasn't, the fact that it had a title and
a writer is a dead giveaway.
Noone is so ignorant that they don't understand"heaven on earth" is a poetic phrase
and has nothing to do with a person wanting to set up their own heaven on earth.
Noone can be that dumb.
Well thank you for answering one of the questions I posed a while back....so apparently Mistero DID post a Song Title and Author. In that case I would have to agree that Steve should have known it was a song she was quoting or posting.
As for your final statement, I suppose that would depend on ones view, some people view things literally ya know.
In either case I still don't have enough total information about the whole issue to agree totally with either Steve or Mistero over it.
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No in between Jwest. Lukewarm isn't in btween either, not at all, Jesus said it was worse than straight evil....so again you have two sides with no actual in between.
Of course it is.
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candie wrote: As for the fear of evil.
he Bible says it's a sign of a lack of faith and an unsound mind.
Evi doesn't look for anyone.
Evil dooers do.
Evilcannot exist in anyone that isn't willing to carry it.
Evi does not kick down the door to find us.
Evil does not enter an open gate.
Evil needs an agreeable host to even exist.
If You refuse to let evil in then,at least for you, evil doesn't exist at that particular time.
Evil is not an air born virus. It cannot be spread by close contact.
Not even satan can take over You soul if you and God don't want it to happen.
The Bible says that if Your faith is strong enough,God will protect you from evil.
Believing that we have to search out evil and stop it is not Biblical.
It is showing a lack of faith in God's promise to keep us from evil.
Why should I look for evil? God said I don't need to.
He said that he would protect me from evil,
although i walk through the valley of the shadow of death.
I Let God do what he promised.If I go looking for evil, i will probably find it, or it will find me first.
If I leave it to God to keep His word, it won't find me.
Going through life looking for evil attracts evil and shows no faith in God.
First....chapter and verse please. You have now made this statement often enough that you need to back it up with Scripture ( in context ) if available.
Second, your belief that evil isn't active and powerful and capable of harming those who " don't believe in it " is your own but does not represent or reflect spiritual reality. Your belief would not stop an active satanist from harming you if he or she chose, nor does it offer protection against " common evil " in or around your everyday life.
Look at your own personal situation Jwest...it is filled with unfortunate circumstance and therefore evil wether you like it or not, most of which you have no protection from or control over as you yourself have admitted in the past. The same applies for many, many others around the world...evil visits them regardless of thier belief in it's potential or " power " and regardless of wether they seek it or not.
Oh, since you have now mentioned " doorways " at least twice....and I am assuming you actually mean spiritual doorways...then no your belief is again incorrect in actual spiritual reality. I can tell you from direct experience, both unto myself and towards others in the past, that opening a doorway is in fact giving potential access or tacit permission for something to " walk through "....again regardless of the personal belief system or opinion of the person who opens that door. The only real protection is quite simply the shed and claimed Blood of Jesus and to stay away from and not open the doorway at all.
Cylon force inbound, all Vipers engage ! Weapons free...Fire, Fire, Fire ! - Battlestar Galactica
Today IS a good day to die ! - Commander Worf, Star Trek the Next Generation
I'm not anxious to die, i'm just anxious to make a difference - Character in Pearl Harbor, movie.
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candie wrote:Quote:
No in between Jwest. Lukewarm isn't in btween either, not at all, Jesus said it was worse than straight evil....so again you have two sides with no actual in between.
Of course it is.
Nope. Otherwise Jesus wouldn't have declared it to be " worse " than being against Him. Heck even in pure physics there is no such thing as actual lukewarm....lukewarm is just a perceptual designation of humans.
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kihisho wrote:candie wrote:Quote:
No in between Jwest. Lukewarm isn't in btween either, not at all, Jesus said it was worse than straight evil....so again you have two sides with no actual in between.
Of course it is.
Nope. Otherwise Jesus wouldn't have declared it to be " worse " than being against Him. Heck even in pure physics there is no such thing as actual lukewarm....lukewarm is just a perceptual designation of humans.
HUH? If it's neither. It's in between. It may not be neutral,but it is still in the middle. If I'm not hot and I'm not cold, I'm somewhere between the two. In the middle. Spiritually it isn't neutral, I agree. Neutral would be no temperature at all which is impossible. Pure physics may not have an in between, but the understanding of it does.With God there may not be an in between, but then The topic was how we look at it and understand.The belief, understanding or believing of something always has an in between.That includes physics. If it didn't there would be no such thing as a theory.Everything would either be law or non existent. How a person accepts and understands God has an in between.Some people have the faith of a mustard seed and some have more or less.If a person don't have complete faith in God,and think that they should do God's job for him, they are lukewarm.In between. Nothing can have a worse or a better without having an in between. The faith of a mustard seed indicates that there is a less. It also indicates there is possibly a more. The mustard seed is an in between.
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kihisho wrote:candie wrote: As for the fear of evil.
he Bible says it's a sign of a lack of faith and an unsound mind.
Evi doesn't look for anyone.
Evil dooers do.
Evilcannot exist in anyone that isn't willing to carry it.
Evi does not kick down the door to find us.
Evil does not enter an open gate.
Evil needs an agreeable host to even exist.
If You refuse to let evil in then,at least for you, evil doesn't exist at that particular time.
Evil is not an air born virus. It cannot be spread by close contact.
Not even satan can take over You soul if you and God don't want it to happen.
The Bible says that if Your faith is strong enough,God will protect you from evil.
Believing that we have to search out evil and stop it is not Biblical.
It is showing a lack of faith in God's promise to keep us from evil.
Why should I look for evil? God said I don't need to.
He said that he would protect me from evil,
although i walk through the valley of the shadow of death.
I Let God do what he promised.If I go looking for evil, i will probably find it, or it will find me first.
If I leave it to God to keep His word, it won't find me.
Going through life looking for evil attracts evil and shows no faith in God.
First....chapter and verse please. You have now made this statement often enough that you need to back it up with Scripture ( in context ) if available.
Second, your belief that evil isn't active and powerful and capable of harming those who " don't believe in it " is your own but does not represent or reflect spiritual reality. Your belief would not stop an active satanist from harming you if he or she chose, nor does it offer protection against " common evil " in or around your everyday life.
Look at your own personal situation Jwest...it is filled with unfortunate circumstance and therefore evil wether you like it or not, most of which you have no protection from or control over as you yourself have admitted in the past. The same applies for many, many others around the world...evil visits them regardless of thier belief in it's potential or " power " and regardless of wether they seek it or not.
Oh, since you have now mentioned " doorways " at least twice....and I am assuming you actually mean spiritual doorways...then no your belief is again incorrect in actual spiritual reality. I can tell you from direct experience, both unto myself and towards others in the past, that opening a doorway is in fact giving potential access or tacit permission for something to " walk through "....again regardless of the personal belief system or opinion of the person who opens that door. The only real protection is quite simply the shed and claimed Blood of Jesus and to stay away from and not open the doorway at all.
I did not say that evil; doesn't exist. I never said that. Once again there are many Scriptures in the Bible that says not to fear evil. One of them, I quoted. I never said that evil doesn't exist. Why do You insist on misquoting me. I did not say that evil don't exist. I said that as long as a Christian has faith in God they will not fear evil. That is Biblical and I'm getting ready to post them in a blog. Look for it. The Bible says not to fear evil. I never said that evil isn't present. I never said it don't exist. Evil is everywhere, but I don't have any fear that it will invade my slou or even My body.The Bible says that it won't as long as My faith is great enough. I did not say that evil doesn't exist.
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kihisho wrote:
... Then again, doesn't Mistero ( or anyone ) have the ability to block specific commentary from being posted to thier own Blog ? If so...all she had to do was ignore and delete the commentary she didn't agree with...right ? But if she doesn't have that ability, then naturally she has to understand that others may express disagreement with her over something she posts. In fact she should expect it, everyone should expect it when any of us post something.
That's correct.
Consider this.
The claims and the actions don't line up.
Here's the claim:
"I do not bother you. I totally ignore you... "
The accompanying actions were:
- To post a blog comment that she didn't have to.
- To create a post on her forum page to direct attention to the blog comment she posted.
- To create a topic specifically to trumpet the whole business.
- To "squeal" to Basic three times about it.
- To continue replying to my posts.
- To blame me for her not being on the forum.
Honestly, does that equate to completely ignoring me or not bothering me? I don't think so.
Yet all her friends seem to have bought it.
The other commonality that has always been a part of the MO is this business of getting in the last slap before you demand that someone leave you alone. It's that attitude that a person is going to tell you off, and then prevent you from your rightful response by threatening to charge you with harrassment if you do. Very wrong!!!!!!
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? - Galatians 4:16
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candie wrote:kihisho wrote:candie wrote: As for the fear of evil.
he Bible says it's a sign of a lack of faith and an unsound mind.
Evi doesn't look for anyone.
Evil dooers do.
Evilcannot exist in anyone that isn't willing to carry it.
Evi does not kick down the door to find us.
Evil does not enter an open gate.
Evil needs an agreeable host to even exist.
If You refuse to let evil in then,at least for you, evil doesn't exist at that particular time.
Evil is not an air born virus. It cannot be spread by close contact.
Not even satan can take over You soul if you and God don't want it to happen.
The Bible says that if Your faith is strong enough,God will protect you from evil.
Believing that we have to search out evil and stop it is not Biblical.
It is showing a lack of faith in God's promise to keep us from evil.
Why should I look for evil? God said I don't need to.
He said that he would protect me from evil,
although i walk through the valley of the shadow of death.
I Let God do what he promised.If I go looking for evil, i will probably find it, or it will find me first.
If I leave it to God to keep His word, it won't find me.
Going through life looking for evil attracts evil and shows no faith in God.
First....chapter and verse please. You have now made this statement often enough that you need to back it up with Scripture ( in context ) if available.
Second, your belief that evil isn't active and powerful and capable of harming those who " don't believe in it " is your own but does not represent or reflect spiritual reality. Your belief would not stop an active satanist from harming you if he or she chose, nor does it offer protection against " common evil " in or around your everyday life.
Look at your own personal situation Jwest...it is filled with unfortunate circumstance and therefore evil wether you like it or not, most of which you have no protection from or control over as you yourself have admitted in the past. The same applies for many, many others around the world...evil visits them regardless of thier belief in it's potential or " power " and regardless of wether they seek it or not.
Oh, since you have now mentioned " doorways " at least twice....and I am assuming you actually mean spiritual doorways...then no your belief is again incorrect in actual spiritual reality. I can tell you from direct experience, both unto myself and towards others in the past, that opening a doorway is in fact giving potential access or tacit permission for something to " walk through "....again regardless of the personal belief system or opinion of the person who opens that door. The only real protection is quite simply the shed and claimed Blood of Jesus and to stay away from and not open the doorway at all.
I did not say that evil; doesn't exist. I never said that. Once again there are many Scriptures in the Bible that says not to fear evil. One of them, I quoted. I never said that evil doesn't exist. Why do You insist on misquoting me. I did not say that evil don't exist. I said that as long as a Christian has faith in God they will not fear evil. That is Biblical and I'm getting ready to post them in a blog. Look for it. The Bible says not to fear evil. I never said that evil isn't present. I never said it don't exist. Evil is everywhere, but I don't have any fear that it will invade my slou or even My body.The Bible says that it won't as long as My faith is great enough. I did not say that evil doesn't exist.
Oh my Lord, Jwest. Sigh...
I didn't " misquote you " at all. In fact, I have now quoted the entire above sections to offer as irrefutable proof that I didn't misquote you. If you will read my statements above you'll not find even one instance wherein I stated that you said " Evil doesn't exist ".
Not one instance Jwest, and yet you insisted three seperate times in your post that I had.
You tend to do that fairly often for whatever reason unfortunately.
What I did say, if again you will read my quoted statement above, is that your belief can't and won't protect you from evil influencing or affecting your life internally or otherwise.
Once again I can tell you from direct experience that a persons faith in or belief in God in no way in and of itself stops or has power to stop dedicated evil from affecting a persons internal or external life.
The only thing that does stop evil is continued awareness of it, and spiritual warfare in dedicated battle against it. But the first key is awareness, for without that no one can actively " fight " to either stay away from evil sources or directly fight them when they appear. In other words you can't fight what you don't recognise...you can't pray about it, claim the Blood over it, or otherwise resisit it effectively if you don't look for and thus recognise it when it appears or is coming. Of course, just to clarify, I'm talking about spiritual evil...not common everyday evil which often times presents absolutely no possible defense against.
So...just to recap...I didn't misquote you....I didn't say you had said evil doesn't exist....and finally your stance that spiritual evil has no power if one simply believes in God and believes that said evil has no power is in fact incorrect in the spiritual realm in actual application.
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stevelundgren wrote:kihisho wrote:
... Then again, doesn't Mistero ( or anyone ) have the ability to block specific commentary from being posted to thier own Blog ? If so...all she had to do was ignore and delete the commentary she didn't agree with...right ? But if she doesn't have that ability, then naturally she has to understand that others may express disagreement with her over something she posts. In fact she should expect it, everyone should expect it when any of us post something.
That's correct.
Consider this.
The claims and the actions don't line up.
Here's the claim:
"I do not bother you. I totally ignore you... "
The accompanying actions were:
- To post a blog comment that she didn't have to.
- To create a post on her forum page to direct attention to the blog comment she posted.
- To create a topic specifically to trumpet the whole business.
- To "squeal" to Basic three times about it.
- To continue replying to my posts.
- To blame me for her not being on the forum.
Honestly, does that equate to completely ignoring me or not bothering me? I don't think so.
Yet all her friends seem to have bought it.
The other commonality that has always been a part of the MO is this business of getting in the last slap before you demand that someone leave you alone. It's that attitude that a person is going to tell you off, and then prevent you from your rightful response by threatening to charge you with harrassment if you do. Very wrong!!!!!!
Ok....possible solutions:
For Mistero: Simply ignore and delete any unwanted commentary from others that you disagree with, including Steve or anyone else if you wish. Such is your direct ability and yours alone insofar as your Blog postings.
For Steve: Simply start your own seperate Blog wherein you can, without addressing Mistero or anyone else by name or directly, still attempt to give your input on what may be posted by others in thier Blogs.
For Both: In this way each of you can effectivly address what you wish, and yet have full control of what commentary may be directed at your postings. This would avoid any truly accurate assertations of possible harrassment from or unto either party.
Just a thought...
Cylon force inbound, all Vipers engage ! Weapons free...Fire, Fire, Fire ! - Battlestar Galactica
Today IS a good day to die ! - Commander Worf, Star Trek the Next Generation
I'm not anxious to die, i'm just anxious to make a difference - Character in Pearl Harbor, movie.
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kihisho wrote:
Ok....possible solutions:
For Mistero: Simply ignore and delete any unwanted commentary from others that you disagree with, including Steve or anyone else if you wish. Such is your direct ability and yours alone insofar as your Blog postings.
For Steve: Simply start your own seperate Blog wherein you can, without addressing Mistero or anyone else by name or directly, still attempt to give your input on what may be posted by others in thier Blogs.
For Both: In this way each of you can effectivly address what you wish, and yet have full control of what commentary may be directed at your postings. This would avoid any truly accurate assertations of possible harrassment from or unto either party.
Just a thought...
 The voice of reason!  Finally the most simple solution for a complex situation... I am so glad you made such a well thought post. I was getting to the point that I was going to throw in my 50 cents... I would have had a lot more then a measly 2 cents worth. I don't think either party would like my thoughts on this continual 'back and forth' that just leads to MORE 'back and forth!'Please people... listen to the man! Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
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I agree that's one solution.
The best solution would be not to look for evil in everything that
certain members post, or at least not publicly state that their
promoting evil. That seems like the best solution to every problem.
If a person can't find anything but evil,
they should learn to keep their mouth shut.It makes them look ignorant.
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candie wrote:
I agree that's one solution.
The best solution would be not to look for evil in everything that
certain members post, or at least not publicly state that their
promoting evil. That seems like the best solution to every problem.
If a person can't find anything but evil,
they should learn to keep their mouth shut.It makes them look ignorant.
You mean...in your opinion such makes one " look ignorant ".
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kihisho wrote:candie wrote:
I agree that's one solution.
The best solution would be not to look for evil in everything that
certain members post, or at least not publicly state that their
promoting evil. That seems like the best solution to every problem.
If a person can't find anything but evil,
they should learn to keep their mouth shut.It makes them look ignorant.
You mean...in your opinion such makes one " look ignorant ".
It does in almost every one's opinion but Your's and Steve's. You have actually told me I was wrong for posting something abusive, in response to a post I didn't agree with.You have also stated that somethings shouldn't be overlooked. Now You defending Steve for being abusive and telling mistero she should have overlooked it. Is there anything that you can believe in a stick to it? Looking for evil in everything is showing ignorance. You have the right to believe what you want. No wait. I'm confusing myself. Am I supposed to accuse You of being un Christian like or accuse you of promoting cultism, of am I supposed to be tolerant of Your beliefs? I can't remember. I do remember being told by an upstanding righteous Christian fellow,that it's wrong to be tolerant of others beliefs. Looking for evil in everything that a particular person posts is ignorance. Even You should be able to see that Steve does that almost every time mistero posts something, and you believe there's nothing wrong with it. Looking fore evil in everything a person doesn't agree with is ignorance.It's not healthy, and it certainly isn't Christian.
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candie wrote:kihisho wrote:candie wrote:
I agree that's one solution.
The best solution would be not to look for evil in everything that
certain members post, or at least not publicly state that their
promoting evil. That seems like the best solution to every problem.
If a person can't find anything but evil,
they should learn to keep their mouth shut.It makes them look ignorant.
You mean...in your opinion such makes one " look ignorant ".
It does in almost every one's opinion but Your's and Steve's. You have actually told me I was wrong for posting something abusive, in response to a post I didn't agree with.You have also stated that somethings shouldn't be overlooked. Now You defending Steve for being abusive and telling mistero she should have overlooked it. Is there anything that you can believe in a stick to it? Looking for evil in everything is showing ignorance. You have the right to believe what you want. No wait. I'm confusing myself. Am I supposed to accuse You of being un Christian like or accuse you of promoting cultism, of am I supposed to be tolerant of Your beliefs? I can't remember. I do remember being told by an upstanding righteous Christian fellow,that it's wrong to be tolerant of others beliefs. Looking for evil in everything that a particular person posts is ignorance. Even You should be able to see that Steve does that almost every time mistero posts something, and you believe there's nothing wrong with it. Looking fore evil in everything a person doesn't agree with is ignorance.It's not healthy, and it certainly isn't Christian.
Again you mean " in your opinion "...
I'm not " defending Steve " at all, I have no clear idea what was actually said in either Misteros Blog or in Steves private commentary response other than the one tiny post Mistero made public...a post that to me seemed no more " abusive " than ones personal opinion of something...in this case evidently a song. I saw no quoted statement wherein Steve supposedly called Mistero any " names " or defamed her character, but perhaps she showed you something she didn't show the rest of us.
As for tolerance, once again....the modern applied definition is a false one insofar as Christianity. Christians are not to be tolerant of un-Christian beliefs and religions as far as the modern common parlance applied definition. This has been explained to you several times in the past wether you accept such or not. But this has nothing to do with what may have happened between Mistero and Steve as far as I know. I could be wrong of course but then that would depend on more information which wasn't provided by either party.
As for Steve " looking for evil in everything Mistero posts "...that assertation may or may not be true...I don't know as he hasn't stated so or told me personally one way or another. What I do know is that Mistero has indeed posted a majority of extremely questionable things covering ACIM, traditional Yoga, etc. As far as her posting of a song, in that one specific case I personally see little wrong with her having posted it but then again as I said I may be going from a lack of information in some regard.
As for " looking for evil in everything "....once again you seem to have either missed the point that has been explained several times now, or perhaps you have indeed understood and simply disagree. If the first case is true and you still do not understand...I really don't know how else I can explain the simple spiritual truth to you. If the second case is true and you simply disagree then you do so out of ignorance, having not seen and directly experienced spiritual reality in the way that I have.
In either case, the simple fact is that Christians ARE to " look " and be aware of evil....wherever it may be....in whatever it may reside, and are to point it out if and when they find it. Such is both extremely healthy ( how best to confront a disease ? Look for, notice, point out, and then avoid transmission or actively fight same ) and completely Christian regardless of your own opinion to the contrary.
Agreeing with, accepting, or ignoring evil is unhealthy and non-Christian, not the reverse.
Now....both of us have expressed our stance and opinion on the various interconnected issues. Shall we both " let it drop " for the moment or shall we continue this between each other ? I leave the choice to you.
Cylon force inbound, all Vipers engage ! Weapons free...Fire, Fire, Fire ! - Battlestar Galactica
Today IS a good day to die ! - Commander Worf, Star Trek the Next Generation
I'm not anxious to die, i'm just anxious to make a difference - Character in Pearl Harbor, movie.
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Quote:As for tolerance, once again....the modern applied definition is a false one insofar as Christianity. Maybe that's the problem. The modern definition is New Age. It is not an accurate definition of tolerance. Tolerance may be a false one in New Age religion, but it is not in the Bible. I don't practice New Age beliefs.I prefer the ones taught by the Bible. There is nothing in the Bible that says to look for evil. I have showed You several verses that disagree with you, and you still insist that we are to look for evil. That is false.It is not found in the Bible anywhere. The Bible says we are to shun evil.It says that we are to not fear evil. It does not say we are to look for evil. Lke a friend of mine said once. Chapter and verse please. If what you belive is Biblical, there should be no problem finding at least one.
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candie wrote:
... Lke a friend of mine said once. Chapter and verse please.
If what you belive is Biblical, there should be no problem finding at least one.
Matthew 7:11 (Jesus said,)
If you, then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good gifts to those who ask him!
Hebrews 5:14 NIV
But solid food is for the mature, who by constant use have trained themselves to distinguish good from evil.
1 John 5:19 NIV
We know that we are children of God, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one.
Ephesians 5:11 NIV
Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.
The lazy man's ploy:
Put the burden on the other guy to prove you wrong when you have been asked to prove your own point.
Why go to all the work of citing your sources when you can spend your days shooting your mouth off with no proof whatsoever?
Here you go. Not that I expect you to agree with the Bible.
Genesis 6:5 NIV
The LORD saw how great man's wickedness on the earth had become, and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil all the time.
Genesis 4:6-7 NIV
Then the LORD said to Cain, "Why are you angry? Why is your face downcast? If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must master it."
Psalm 14:6 NIV
You evildoers frustrate the plans of the poor, but the LORD is their refuge.
Ecclesiastes 9:12 NIV
Moreover, no man knows when his hour will come: As fish are caught in a cruel net, or birds are taken in a snare, so men are trapped by evil times that fall unexpectedly upon them.
Ecclesiastes 10:5 NIV
There is an evil I have seen under the sun, the sort of error that arises from a ruler:
Isaiah 5:20 NIV
Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.
Matthew 9:4 NIV
Knowing their thoughts, Jesus said, "Why do you entertain evil thoughts in your hearts?
Matthew 12:34 NIV
You brood of vipers, how can you who are evil say anything good? For out of the overflow of the heart the mouth speaks.
Matthew 12:35 NIV
The good man brings good things out of the good stored up in him, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in him.
Matthew 15:19 NIV
For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander.
Matthew 22:18 NIV
But Jesus, knowing their evil intent, said, "You hypocrites, why are you trying to trap me?
Luke 3:19 NIV
But when John rebuked Herod the tetrarch because of Herodias, his brother's wife, and all the other evil things he had done,
John 3:19 NIV
This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.
Romans 1:28-30 NIV
Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents;
Romans 7:21 NIV
So I find this law at work: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me.
Romans 12:9 NIV
Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good.
Galatians 1:4 NIV
who gave himself for our sins to rescue us from the present evil age, according to the will of our God and Father,
Ephesians 5:16 NIV
making the most of every opportunity, because the days are evil.
Ephesians 6:12 NIV
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.
Philippians 3:2 NIV
Watch out for those dogs, those men who do evil, those mutilators of the flesh.
2 Thessalonians 3:2 NIV
And pray that we may be delivered from wicked and evil men, for not everyone has faith.
2 Timothy 3:13 NIV
while evil men and impostors will go from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived.
2 Timothy 4:18 NIV
The Lord will rescue me from every evil attack and will bring me safely to his heavenly kingdom. To him be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
James 1:21 NIV
Therefore, get rid of all moral filth and the evil that is so prevalent and humbly accept the word planted in you, which can save you.
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? - Galatians 4:16
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