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"Seventh-day Adventism plays the same game in salvation as every other false movement of Christendom. They profess to teach salvation by grace through faith, but they redefine this in a way that is contrary to New Testament doctrine.
Though they often deny this, the Adventist denomination teaches that salvation is by grace plus law, faith plus works. Grace, according to Adventist theology, is the power and forgiveness God gives to enable a sinner to keep the law and to thereby build a holy character fit for Heaven. He who fails to build the right character by God's grace will never see Heaven. Faith and works are the two oars by which the believer is propelled to glory.
The Adventist doctrine of salvation is a subtle mixture of grace and law that can never provide Bible security. Simply stated, this doctrine is as follows: The sinner is powerless to live up to God's holy standards, the law. He does not and cannot possess in himself the character demanded of God. Thus God has come to his aid through the sacrifice of Christ and through the power of the Holy Spirit. God now offers, because of the atonement of His Son, enablement to the sinner by which he is empowered to keep the law. Christ's blood covers all shortcomings, (only) as long as these are properly confessed and forsaken. God offers the grace and power; the sinner must take these and develop within himself the character demanded by the law, or at least, to put it as the cults would, to allow Jesus to do this work. The believing sinner who fails to properly walk with the Lord in the power of the Holy Spirit shall ultimately be lost, in spite of his faith in Christ.
This doctrine of salvation cannot and does not offer any security for the adherent. There can never be assurance of eternal life for the cultist, because he does not, in practice, believe that eternal salvation is TOTALLY a gift of God through the finished work of Jesus Christ. The cultist, rather, is convinced that he, too, has a part in gaining eternal life. He must properly endure to the end in the law of God and the works of his church. If he fails to develop the proper character, he will never inherit eternal life. Thus, he can have no assurance of salvation until after the examinations of judgment day. The misled cultist cannot "stand and rejoice in hope of the glory of God" (Rom. 5:2). Since works play a role in his salvation, he can never testify with joy, saying, "I am NOW justified by his blood ... I SHALL BE saved from wrath through him" (Rom. 5:9).
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Romans 5 (King James Version)
Romans 5
1Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
2By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
3And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;
4And patience, experience; and experience, hope:
5And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.
6For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
7For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.
8But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
9Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
10For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
11And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.
12Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
13(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
14Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
15But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
16And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.
17For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
18Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
19For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
20Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
21That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
King James Version (KJV)
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Mr. Bruce, do you agree that you must not "kill"?
how about stealing, is it ok to steal?
Isn't it clear that we show our faith by our works?
uh.......welll?
The Ten Commandments, you have a problem with them don't you?
ok,,,,how about mom and dad, you honor them?
come on now, do you honor your mom and dad?
how about other gods?
you got other gods than God, the Creator?
well?
Hey, get your Bible and come to church, on the sabbath day,
there, that is the Fourth Commandment.
thought I'd forget that one didn't you......=)
Jeremiah 6:
16 Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein.
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TEN COMMANDMENTS
Recently I was asked if Christians (born again believers) are expected to obey the Ten Commandments. The Ten Commandments were given to the Jews, and only the Jews!
Exodus 20:1-2 And God spake all these words, saying, [2] I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. [KJV]
Deut. 5:1 And Moses called all Israel, and said unto them, Hear, O Israel, the statutes and judgments which I speak in your ears this day, that ye may learn them, and keep, and do them. (KJV)
In both these verses, preceding the Ten Commandments, it is very clear that God is speaking to Israel! When we study the Bible, we must be careful to distinguish between the commandments given before Moses’ time, the commandments given to Israel, and the commandments given to the church. So very many people err in this very important matter, and thus teach falsely. 2 Tim. 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. [KJV]
Many of the Ten Commandments are repeated in the church epistles, but there is NO place telling us that we are to tithe, keep the Sabbath or offer animal sacrifices. To quote the Ten Commandments, and leave out the introduction (verses above) is to misapply Scripture, and when we do that, we are not "rightly dividing the word of truth."
The commandments for the church are as follows:
Matthew 22:36-40 Master, which is the great commandment in the law? [37] Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. [38] This is the first and great commandment. [39] And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. [40] On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. (KJV) What Jesus means is that these two commandments cover the entire Old Testament.
1 John 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. [KJV]
Galatians 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. [KJV]
Romans 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law. [KJV] So, actually, our command from Jesus boils down to one word, LOVE!
We cannot live by the Law. No one ever fulfilled the Law except Jesus. And IF a person insists on keeping the Ten Commandments, there are actually well over 600 laws (ceremonial, religious and civil) they must keep.
Deut. 5:31 But as for thee, stand thou here by me, and I will speak unto thee all the commandments, and the statutes, and the judgments, which thou shalt teach them, that they may do them in the land which I give them to possess it. [KJV] And IF a person does not keep ALL the laws of God, they are "cursed."
Deut. 27:26 Cursed be he that confirmeth not all the words of this law to do them. And all the people shall say, Amen. [KJV] ALL the words of the law!
Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. [KJV] ALL things written in the book of law!
The Law is like a chain. If one link is broken, the whole chain is broken, NONE of us can ever keep the Law! IF we break one law, we have broken them all, and then we are "cursed." We as the Body of Christ (the TRUE church), are not under the Law, we are under grace.
Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. [KJV] We as believers, trust and accept what Jesus did for us on the cross.
Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth. [KJV] Christ fulfilled the Law for us, and when we believe God, and trust and accept Jesus and His Work on the cross, the Father applies the righteousness of Christ to us.
1 Cor. 1:30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption: [KJV]
Romans 3:27-28 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. [28] Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. [KJV] There is no way we can boast about anything we have done to be accepted by God. Our acquittal (justification) is NOT based on any good deeds we do. It is based completely on our faith. We are made right with God through our faith, NOT by obeying the law.
Galatians 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain. [KJV] We must not, and cannot treat the grace of God as meaningless. IF we could be saved by keeping the law, then there would not have been any need for Christ to die.
Galatians 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. [KJV] NO one can ever be right with God by trying to keep the law. The Old Testament clearly tells us this. Habakkuk 2:4 Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith. [KJV]
Galatians 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. [KJV] The entire Law can be summed up in one command: "Love your neighbor as yourself."
Galatians 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. [KJV] IF you are led and directed by the Holy Spirit, you are no longer subject to the Law.
Ephes. 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; [KJV] When Jesus died on the cross, He ended the whole system of Jewish Law, with its commandments and rules, that excluded the Gentiles (Rom.2:14). His purpose was to create out of the two races one new people (the church, born again believers) in union with Himself, thus making peace.
The Ten Commandments were valid
UNTIL Jesus came
Matthew 11:13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John. [KJV] All the prophets and Moses’ teachings were good up to the time of John the Baptist.
Luke 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it. [KJV]
Galatians 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator. [KJV] Why then was the Law given? To show people how guilty they are. But this system of law was to last only until the coming of Jesus, to whom God’s Promise was made. God gave His laws to angels to give to Moses, who was the mediator between God and the people. Since Jesus, He is the only Mediator we need!
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paulwhut:
Isn't it clear that we show our faith by our works?
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Ephesians 2:8-9 (King James Version)
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith;
and that not of yourselves:
it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
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Seventh Day Adventism (SDA) is a very deceitful false religion. SDAs, more than any other false religion, APPEAR as born again Christians. An Adventist gentleman sent me the following website, trying to defend the SDA religion...
http://www.adventistreview.org/2003-1539/wed.html
From looking at the above website, you'd never know they were unsaved heretics. They believe in Christ's deity, the Virgin Birth, the Godhead, etc. They teach on their webpage that salvation is by grace through faith in Christ alone, just as the Word of God teaches. But don't be fooled. This deception has led MANY people, even Christians, to accept SDAs as "Christian." What they're NOT telling you about is their HIDDEN heresies which they would never put forth to the public. With the help of the beloved Dr. John R. Rice (1895-1980), I would like to EXPOSE the truth about this Satanic cult that falsely claims to be "Christian."
Here is a lengthy quote from Dr. John R. Rice's excellent book, FALSE DOCTRINES (pg. 182), available from the Sword of the Lord (which I highly recommend)...
"A friend sent me a card, 'What Seventh-Day Adventists Believe,' and said, 'The enclosed card seems orthodox and supported by Biblical references. I would not call them heresies. Wherein do they err?'
I am glad to give you a brief analysis of the position of Seventh-Day Adventists stated on the card.
Unfortunately, heresy always presents itself in deceitful form. False doctrine has always involved some moral guilt also. So in 2nd Corinthians 11:13-15 God warns us:
'For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.'
So Satan makes sure that heresy always appears like orthodoxy. Wolves put on sheep's clothing, as Jesus said about false prophets in Matthew 7:15. And the worst heresies in the world pretend that their doctrine is founded on Scripture and they give Scripture references, though the Scriptures themselves do not always teach what the false doctrines try to teach.
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paulwhut wrote:
Mr. Bruce, do you agree that you must not "kill"?
how about stealing, is it ok to steal?
Isn't it clear that we show our faith by our works?
uh.......welll?
The Ten Commandments, you have a problem with them don't you?
ok,,,,how about mom and dad, you honor them?
come on now, do you honor your mom and dad?
how about other gods?
you got other gods than God, the Creator?
well?
Hey, get your Bible and come to church, on the sabbath day,
there, that is the Fourth Commandment.
thought I'd forget that one didn't you......=)
Jeremiah 6:
16 Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein.
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Parroting the party line I see.
Pauly want a cracker?
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? - Galatians 4:16
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pw: Mr. Bruce, do you agree that you must not "kill"?
bb: When I was a child I had a dog, we lived in the country.
When Mom and Dad divorced we moved to the city.
There was a fenced in back yard.
I left the gate open one day and my dog got out and was hit by a car.
I had to grow up knowing how I killed my own dog.
pw: how about stealing, is it ok to steal?
bb: I know a man who lives in a small town and travels to a large town
to pick up things that are put out as trash. He fixes things up and resells them.
The large town passed an ordinance that all things on the curb belong to the city.
If he picks up any thing he now is stealing.
pw: Isn't it clear that we show our faith by our works?
bb: I am a minister to the homeless if I work at helping others
and stand up and proclaim how much I do am I faithful.
pw: uh.......welll?
pw: The Ten Commandments, you have a problem with them don't you?
bb: I have no problem with the Ten Commandments.
You bare false wittness.
pw: ok,,,,how about mom and dad, you honor them?
come on now, do you honor your mom and dad?
bb: My father died 9/16/06. He gave his heart to Jesus
with me the day before he died.
bb: My Mother died 12/15/06 She was a Mormon and I was
not able to go to her funeral. Lack of funds.
bb: Yes I do Honor them.
pw: how about other gods?
you got other gods than God, the Creator?
well?
bb: In my life there is only one God.
His son Jesus paid the price for all sin.
Jesus brought the Holy Spirit to comfort.
pw:Hey, get your Bible and come to church, on the sabbath day,
there, that is the Fourth Commandment.
thought I'd forget that one didn't you......=)
bb: You bare false wittness.
Hebrews 4:2-4 (King James Version)
2For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
3For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
Sabbath Keepers are idolaters, worshipping the creature more than the Creator.
You'd think nothing else mattered in life except the Sabbath Day from listening to these heretics.
What did God say in Colossians 2:16, "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days..."
God said not to become misguided by false prophets would try to lead us away from Christ.
Carefully read Colossians 2:18,19... "Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God."
The Scriptures are very clear--only Jesus Christ is to be worshipped!
Christians are commanded to worship the Lord!
Sabbath Keepers are "vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, And not holding the Head..."
(Colossians 2:18,19).
18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
19 And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.
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WHAT WE have here is a failure to communicate. And in your frustration you pick up stones and just start "chuckin".
You do not understand family life. That within a family you have a hierarchy, and guidelines, rules for behaviour and existance.
In our human family we have to deal with our Father in heaven. His Son Jesus Christ who is our Saviour, and the Holy Spirit who is our teacher and Companion here on this earth.
You/we must understand, with Gods' help, our relationship with these Entities and to relate with them correctly.
Our Heavenly Father and His Son and the Holy Ghost created this world and us, and have told us how to relate to them and how to live in this world.
The Ten Commandments were given to us for our benefit and guidence.
We MUST obey them if we wish to have a peaceful/beneficial co-existence.
How does this compare with your mom and dad and siblings? It is the same scenario. In order to get along and live peaceably we need to pay attention to mom and dad and respect their wishes.
Jeremiah 6:
16 Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein.
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God's grace is sufficient.
I stand in awe of His grace.
Jesus died once for all sin.
The path I walk is that of a servant.
My servicce "buys" me nothing.
I am amazed by HIS GRACE.
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nestgotjesus wrote:God's grace is sufficient.
I stand in awe of His grace.
Jesus died once for all sin.
The path I walk is that of a servant.
My servicce "buys" me nothing.
I am amazed by HIS GRACE.
I appreciate your post. It is a beautiful sentiment indeed.
I understand that grace is "unmerited favor".
That certainly applies to me, I "merit" nothing!
Amazing Grace!
Jeremiah 6:
16 Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein.
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paulwhut wrote:
... I understand that grace is "unmerited favor".
That certainly applies to me, I "merit" nothing!
Amazing Grace!
Okay. That's a major step in the right direction.
Now simply lift your other foot and place it next to the one you just set down in grace.
Now, don't look back and you will be free from the law of sin and death.
That wasn't so hard was it?
Romans 8:2 NIV
because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death.
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? - Galatians 4:16
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Alright, now I can forget the sabbath, and I can start stealing chickins.......and......wow look at that lady......
an I don't have to "obey" God..... it is all grace.....no more law and sin
yessir, this grace stuff is ok!!!!!!!!!!!!!
uh, what do I do when I face the Judge............+(
Jeremiah 6:
16 Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein.
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pw:uh, what do I do when I face the Judge
bb: I have given time to prayer and fast about you.
You have shown on the forums your a sda.
For sure one day we will face the Judge.
His name is God.
His Son Jesus will be there on his right side.
Only you will be judged for your actions.
Only I will be judged for my actions.
We will be accountable for the words that we speak.
pw: yessir, this grace stuff is ok!!!!!!!!!!!!!
you mock God
you you bare false wittness
A corrupted philosophie and ideologie which desire,
exalt self over the Scriptures.
brbruce
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Seventh-day Adventists arbitrarily divide the old covenant into two divisions, moral and ceremonial. They claim that the Ten Commandments are moral and the rest of the law/covenant is ceremonial. They have offered no biblical evidence to support a two-part division of the old covenant. There are moral and ceremonial commands in the whole law as well as a ceremonial command in the Ten Commandments.
The Bible writers never declared the old covenant was a two-part covenant. The Jews understand that there is but one law/covenant and it is all equally holy and binding. When Israel vowed to keep the covenant, it was one covenant not a two-division covenant.
Ex 24:3 (NIV) 3When Moses went and told the people all the LORD’S words and laws, they responded with one voice, “Everything the LORD has said we will do.”
There are 613 commands in the old covenant that Israel were required to keep perfectly.
The Ten has one ceremonial command, the sabbath which is not a moral command.
Sabbath keeping was given to Israel as a weekly ritual "to rest" from labor. It was never commanded as a communal day of worship. Israel was commanded to remember their deliverance from Egypt and that God created the world. The sabbath is not a moral command as no person has ever been charged with sin for breaking the sabbath except Israel of the old covenant.
The Old Covenant is a binding agreement God made with Israel at Sinai.
It was made with no other nation on earth. It includes the entire Mosaic Law which includes the Ten Commandments written on tablets of stone by God. It was ratified by the blood of animals. Ex 24:8 (NIV) 8Moses then took the blood, sprinkled it on the people and said, “This is the blood of the covenant that the LORD has made with you in accordance with all these words.”
SDAs teach that the sabbath is binding on all nations and all people for all time when in fact it was given only to one nation Israel. Circumcision was the entry sign into the covenant. Gentiles could only legally keep the sabbath and be accepted by God, if they joined the Israelite community through circumcision and kept all the covenant.
The sign of the old covenant between God and Israel was the sabbath. God never made the sabbath a sign for Christians in the new testament. Do you find Christians mentioned in the text? Can you legally enjoin on Christians that which God has not enjoined on them?
Ex 31:16 - 17 (NRSV) 16Therefore the Israelites shall keep the sabbath, observing the sabbath throughout their generations, as a perpetual covenant. 17It is a sign forever between me and the people of Israel that in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.”
Circumcision is just as much a perpetual covenant for Israel as the sabbath. Circumcision was first made with Abraham as an "everlasting covenant"
Gen 17:9 - 10, 13 (NIV) 9Then God said to Abraham, “As for you, you must keep my covenant, you and your descendants after you for the generations to come. 10This is my covenant with you and your descendants after you, the covenant you are to keep: Every male among you shall be circumcised. 13Whether born in your household or bought with your money, they must be circumcised. My covenant in your flesh is to be an everlasting covenant. 14Any uncircumcised male, who has not been circumcised in the flesh, will be cut off from his people; he has broken my covenant.”
God then gave circumcision to Israel along with the sabbath in the law of Moses.
John 7:21 - 24 (NIV) 21Jesus said to them, “I did one miracle, and you are all astonished. 22Yet, because Moses gave you circumcision (though actually it did not come from Moses, but from the patriarchs), you circumcise a child on the Sabbath. 23Now if a child can be circumcised on the Sabbath so that the law of Moses may not be broken, why are you angry with me for healing the whole man on the Sabbath? 24Stop judging by mere appearances, and make a right judgment.”
The old covenant ended at Calvary with the death of Jesus. When a party to a covenant dies, said covenant ends. In this case it was Jesus who died, and He made that covenant with Israel. Thus the old covenant ended, even as a marriage covenant ends upon the death of either party. The surviving person is free to marry again, even as Jesus now takes the church as His new bride. If a mate dies, the surviving person is no longer married to a corpse. Rom. 7 shows this comparison of marriage and dying to the law through Christ. SDAs are married to the old covenant corpse. They read sabbath keeping in the old covenant (contract) God made with Israel and apply it to themselves. They do not accept the fact that they were never a party to that covenant. The only way for them to legally keep the sabbath is through circumcision and they are then obligated to keep ALL the old covenant with its 613 commands, which they do not do. They refuse to kill sabbath breakers and stay at home on sabbaths as the law requires. Thus they are lawbreakers, and subject to the condemnation of that law.
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Bruce, you are wrong on just about everything you post. In the "error" category you are batting 1000.
I'm thinking it is because of your not understanding the Bible and the Love of God.
Evidently you came from an environment where the "rules" within your home were a bit hazy.
You do not understand the blessings that are attached to obeying God.
The Ten Commandments are a hedge around you protecting you from Satan and his angels, who are actively on the prowl.
All of the Ten Commandmnts are referred to in the NT. EVen Romans 13:9 has 5 of them in one verse.
Jesus quoted several of them, James did too......and so on.Now this diatribe you are on is accomplishing only one thing. It is revealing to all how much you do not understand, not only about the Bible, But about just about everything else.
Do you go back over your posts and read them?
Jeremiah 6:
16 Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein.
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Rank: Advanced Member Joined: 3/3/2008 Posts: 11,145
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paulwhut,
Now that's just plain abusive to be saying things about a person's intelligence and homelife like that.
Please refrain from personal attacks.
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? - Galatians 4:16
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Rank: Advanced Member Joined: 1/17/2008 Posts: 3,888
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paulwhut wrote:Bruce, you are wrong on just about everything you post. In the "error" category you are batting 1000.
I'm thinking it is because of your not understanding the Bible and the Love of God.
Evidently you came from an environment where the "rules" within your home were a bit hazy.
You do not understand the blessings that are attached to obeying God.
The Ten Commandments are a hedge around you protecting you from Satan and his angels, who are actively on the prowl.
All of the Ten Commandmnts are referred to in the NT. EVen Romans 13:9 has 5 of them in one verse.
Jesus quoted several of them, James did too......and so on.
Now this diatribe you are on is accomplishing only one thing. It is revealing to all how much you do not understand, not only about the Bible, But about just about everything else.
Do you go back over your posts and read them? You do not like what is posted above?
You do not think that our thinking is molded, formed?
What do you think contributes to someones' conduct?
huh?
Jeremiah 6:
16 Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein.
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Rank: Advanced Member Joined: 3/3/2008 Posts: 11,145
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paulwhut wrote:paulwhut wrote:Bruce, you are wrong on just about everything you post. In the "error" category you are batting 1000.
I'm thinking it is because of your not understanding the Bible and the Love of God.
Evidently you came from an environment where the "rules" within your home were a bit hazy.
You do not understand the blessings that are attached to obeying God.
The Ten Commandments are a hedge around you protecting you from Satan and his angels, who are actively on the prowl.
All of the Ten Commandmnts are referred to in the NT. EVen Romans 13:9 has 5 of them in one verse.
Jesus quoted several of them, James did too......and so on.
Now this diatribe you are on is accomplishing only one thing. It is revealing to all how much you do not understand, not only about the Bible, But about just about everything else.
Do you go back over your posts and read them? You do not like what is posted above?
You do not think that our thinking is molded, formed?
What do you think contributes to someones' conduct?
huh? I'm talking about YOUR conduct.
Here's what you are saying about Br Bruce.
Every one of these statements is a personal attack. At least five. Count them.
Rather than address the issue being discussed, you are lashing out at the person.
Hopefully you can see this is wrong.
1) You are wrong on just about everything you post.
2) In the "error" category you are batting 1000.
3) Evidently you came from an environment where the "rules" within your home were a bit hazy.
4) You do not understand the blessings that are attached to obeying God.
5) Now this diatribe... is revealing to all how much you do not understand, not only about the Bible, But about just about everything else.
Maybe you should take your own advice?
"Do you go back over your posts and read them?" - paulwhut
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? - Galatians 4:16
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