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stevelundgren wrote:TerryD wrote:stevelundgren wrote:TerryD,
They are provided. But some folks use their own.
If you go to support at the top of the page and then view your profile you can work from there.
You can choose an avatar and create a signature line too.
There are a lot of image choices for avatars now. We'll be excited to see what you choose.
And you can change it when ever you want, so you aren't stuck with your choice. OK? Wow, that's great Terry.
I like the way the signature line ties in with the avatar. Nice work.
Hmm...
I wonder what text treatment would look best with that?
I chose green because I thought Thoreau was somewhat of an environmentalist. I wanted a more grown up drummer, but that was all I could come up with last night. "If a man loses pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music in which he hears, however measured, or far away.” Henry David Thoreau
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TerryD wrote:
Oh yes, circumcision on the eighth day, was because the baby's ability to clot was not developed until the 8th day. Amazing that they knew this but then God told them I'm sure.
I'll bet they leaned that buy trial and error.
That sounds painful, if not messy. lol
God instructed them in how and when to do it, so they didn't have to learn by trial and error.
Thank goodness.
The point I am trying to allude to is the symbolism of the eighth day.
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? - Galatians 4:16
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stevelundgren wrote:TerryD wrote:
Oh yes, circumcision on the eighth day, was because the baby's ability to clot was not developed until the 8th day. Amazing that they knew this but then God told them I'm sure.
I'll bet they leaned that buy trial and error.
That sounds painful, if not messy. lol
God instructed them in how and when to do it, so they didn't have to learn by trial and error.
Thank goodness.
The point I am trying to allude to is the symbolism of the eighth day.
How bout they learned buy trial and error and God caused the ability to clot on the eighth day as a symbol. "If a man loses pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music in which he hears, however measured, or far away.” Henry David Thoreau
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TerryD wrote:How bout they learned buy trial and error and God caused the ability to clot on the eighth day as a symbol. I'm not sure if I should laugh or cry. lol
Oops. I laughed.
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? - Galatians 4:16
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Good Morning! Hope everyone is well and in good spirits! Today is the sabbath day of God, His holy day. Today is a celebration of God creating all things in six days.
All things. And it was good, very good. And he is very good to you and me. I possess a lot of nice things, but God gave them to me. He gave me my health, and abilities.
Every morning when my eyes open up, it is a present from God. The Life Giver.
Was approved for prison ministry and yesterday toured the lockup here in this county. What a sad state of affairs. Of men and women makeing wrong decisions and altering their lives, mutilating their lives....and their families.
It is the same in the religious community. John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
The Love of God, the Righteousness of God.
Does a righteous man disobey Gods' commandments?
Does a righteous man consistently disobey even one of the Ten Commandments?
Chapter 3
1Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
2Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
4Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
7Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
*March 13–19 The Fruit of the Spirit Is
Truth
sabbath afternoon
Read for This Week’s Study: 2 Chron. 25:2; Ps. 51:17; Jer. 29:13; John 7:16, 17; 14:6; 17:3; Heb. 5:14.
Memory Text: “And you will seek Me and find Me, when you search for Me with all your heart” (Jeremiah 29:13, NKJV).
The Greek word for truth, aletheia, has two meanings. One is objective truth (actual facts, verity, or principle), and the other is subjective truth (truth as a personal excellence—a candor of mind that is free from affectation, pretense, dissimulation, falsehood, and deceit). Truth, then, is what we know, the objective “facts on the ground,” as it were. But there’s the subjective element of truth, as well, which entails how we individually respond to what we learn. When both of these are real in our lives, we will manifest truth as a fruit of the Spirit.
That’s why both elements are crucial to the Christian walk. We need to know the basic objective truth as it is found in Jesus, and then we need the personal subjective experience of having our lives changed by that truth.
Look at Judas. He was with Jesus for more than three and a half years. Judas had all sorts of truth revealed to him. He saw things the rest of us only can read about. And yet, in the end, look what good it did him.
May we all take heed.
*Study this week’s lesson to prepare for Sabbath, March 20.
Rivers of waters run down mine eyes, because they keep not thy law.
Ps 119:136
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paulwhut wrote:
... Does a righteous man disobey Gods' commandments?
Does a righteous man consistently disobey even one of the Ten Commandments? ...
Hmm...
Did you change your mind?
Q) Does a righteous man disobey Gods' commandments?
A) Yes.
Q) Does a righteous man consistently disobey even one of the Ten Commandments?
A) Hmm... There are ten of them. Maybe you could alternate?
The Apostle Paul said it best.
Romans 7:18-19 NIV
I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing.
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? - Galatians 4:16
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stevelundgren wrote:paulwhut wrote:
... Does a righteous man disobey Gods' commandments?
Does a righteous man consistently disobey even one of the Ten Commandments? ...
Hmm...
Did you change your mind?
Q) Does a righteous man disobey Gods' commandments?
A) Yes.
Q) Does a righteous man consistently disobey even one of the Ten Commandments?
A) Hmm... There are ten of them. Maybe you could alternate?
The Apostle Paul said it best.
Romans 7:18-19 NIV
I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing.
"For though a righteous man falls seven times, he rises again, but the wicked are brought down by calamity." (Prov 24:16 NIV)
I think even a righteous man will fall from time to time. I posted an interesting essay today at The Illustrator thread which will be addressing this issue.
K, that was my 3 cents worth. 
Sarge ~ Insults Should Be Written In Sand ~ Compliments Should Be Carved In Stone ~
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sarge wrote:"For though a righteous man falls seven times, he rises again, but the wicked are brought down by calamity." (Prov 24:16 NIV)
I think even a righteous man will fall from time to time. I posted an interesting essay today at The Illustrator thread which will be addressing this issue.
K, that was my 3 cents worth.
Sarge Sadly, according to SDA doctrine, the Apostle Paul must be a lost soul. Based on their doctrine he probably didn't make it.
SDA doctrine states that one has to endure to the end to be saved. If you mess up, you are a goner. Pity.
"On page 409 (of Answers to Objections) Mr. Nichol says, speaking officially for Seventh-Day Adventists:
'Thus we escape on the one hand, the false doctrine of Universalism; and on the other, the equally false doctrine of claiming full and final salvation for a man before he has endured 'unto the end.' "
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? - Galatians 4:16
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Good Morning thread buddies, fellow co-existees, fellow travelers.............=)
Today is Sunday, not Son-day, but Sun-day...........just a thought.
The First Dayofthe week! I marvel at the energy spent on supporting a phantom "holy day"........it is amazing to me how professed Christians will willfully turn their back on the Ten Commandments.
This occasion of God speaking to the Nation of Israel back there in Ex 20, is truly unique. Never else had he done this, speaking to an entire Nation at one time.....and what was His subject?
The Ten Commandments. What else did this Holy God speak unto the Children of Israel.........?...............nothing....just the TC.
So what was the importance of this occasion, of this Creator God coming down and situated upon the top of this mountain, and speaking to these people?
Do you think that this God, who made all things, was wasting his time? That he had nothing better to do?
Look at those Ten Commandments........and you would discard them? Or you would claim to accept 9 of them and discard the one remaining?
You would have the nerve to do this?
Looks like rebellion to me......and isn't rebellion the same as witchcraft?
You can not have Jesus without haveing the Ten Commandments, because He is the One who spoke them and wrote them.
Also He had to die to pay our sin-debt, to save us for eternity, His blood had to be shed for our blood.
Blood for blood. His for ours. that we might live in him.
And a word about sabbath keeping. It is a pleasure, it is a refreshing blessing!. To turn off the TV, turn off the secular life.
Settle back and relax with the family, talk, listen, go to church, visit the sick, walk in nature.......reflect upon God and his goodness.
Let the body recharge, defragg, rest up, rejuvenate, re-energize...........
that is sabbathkeeping........quality time spent with God the Creator and Redeemer, and soon Coming King.
March 14
“I Am . . . the Truth”
“Jesus said to him, ‘I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me’ ” (John 14:6, NKJV). Write out a short paragraph explaining what you think this text means.
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On one level, this text radically challenges the relativism (the idea that truth is only subjective and personal) so current in much of the world today. Jesus’ words leave no ambiguity: There’s none of this “Each finds his own path to God,” and so forth. With these words, Jesus establishes the reality of objective truth. Here is Truth. Period. Few verses in the whole Bible are more contrary to the sentiment of relativism than this.
At the same time, there’s a whole other element, as well. The Truth is a Person. You come to truth through a relationship with a Person. This is a radically different idea from the notion of truth being only a group of facts. Jesus, a human being, is the Truth; thus, if you want to know truth, you have to know Jesus.
How does what’s written above help us understand Christ’s words in John 17:3?
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We have to be careful, however, with this notion that all our religion means is having a relationship with God. Everyone lives in a relation- ship with God, one way or another. Folk who deny His existence live in relationship with God. Pilate had a relationship with Jesus; so did Caiaphas. Even the devil has a relationship with Jesus—he hates Him. The gospel is not a call to have a relationship with Jesus but to make a commitment to Him.
Nicodemus, for instance, had a relationship with Jesus, one in which he eventually committed his life and all that he had to Christ. That’s the kind we all need!
No question, you have a relationship with Jesus. The questions you need to ask yourself are, What kind do I have? And, How can I make it better?
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Rivers of waters run down mine eyes, because they keep not thy law.
Ps 119:136
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You forget, the SDA handbook is the Bible. The SDA's try to follow the Bible. But do not think forone moment that we are exempt from elements of questionable members. Myself for example. I am much in need of the Holy Spirit. I am a weak man and have the same faults common to us all.
but.......I try to obey this God who is my Saviour, I try to do his will. I donot go off and grab another day in place of his day.
and the Apostle Paul, you can pick and chose among his writings, and you can apply or miss-apply his words, tis easily done.
And often done.
I like his words in 1 Cor 9:20
20And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;
21To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.
22To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.
23And this I do for the gospel's sake, that I might be partaker thereof with you.
24Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain.
25And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible.
26I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air:
27But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.
This life is a constant daily battle, and we can not sit back and claim "we have achieved"...........tis a daily step by step walk with Jesus.
Rivers of waters run down mine eyes, because they keep not thy law.
Ps 119:136
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paulwhut wrote:
... The First Dayofthe week! I marvel at the energy spent on supporting a phantom "holy day"........it is amazing to me how professed Christians will willfully turn their back on the Ten Commandments.
This occasion of God speaking to the Nation of Israel back there in Ex 20, is truly unique. Never else had he done this, speaking to an entire Nation at one time.....and what was His subject?
The Ten Commandments. What else did this Holy God speak unto the Children of Israel.........?...............nothing....just the TC...
Firstly, we make no claim that Sunday is a holy day. To one person, one day is holy, to another, every day is the same. It's no longer about a day. We are in the age of grace, not in the age of law.
Secondly, your own words betray your position.
Here you admit that the Ten Commandments were for Israel. See bold above.
I've been saying this all along.
You also admit that the law had not been given prior to Fxodus 20.
Man you are really slipping up today.
Have a great Lord's Day.
Don't forget to "remember".
Luke 22:19 NIV
And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, "This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me."
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? - Galatians 4:16
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WAIT, UH wit,,,,,I'm cornfused....."Firstly, we make no claim that Sunday is a holy day. To one person, one day is holy, to another, every day is the same. It's no longer about a day. We are in the age of grace, not in the age of law. "
so then, not only do you ignore the Fourth Commandment, but you do not claim sunday as a holy day either.......uh
and you say we are living in the age of "grace", and we are not under the law............
oh no, o no.....oh ho no.......+(
didn't we have this conversation 16 months ago?
and we've come full circle. and you claim that since God spoke to the "children of Israel", that he wsn't speaking to us today?
in other words the commandment to not murder, or steal, was for them and not for you?
grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
foam at mouth,,,,,gnash teeth.......grrrrrrGRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR............drool...............
pant pant pant roll over...............die
Rivers of waters run down mine eyes, because they keep not thy law.
Ps 119:136
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Your righteousness rather than Gods' righteousness?
Rom 10:1Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.
2For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
3For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
What I'm talking about here is "righteousness"..........righteousness is the opposite of "wrongousness".....heh heh heh
God is Righteous and he wants us to be righteous, but we are to be knowledgeable of God so that our "righteousness" can be the righteousness of God.
Through Jesus Christ living within us we become righteous.......It is His righteousness because our "righteousness" is but filthy rags.
I think many of us have a zeal for God, but "not according to knowledge".
The knowledgeable man knows God and what God requires. Thus his zeal is more acceptable because he knows God and what God wants.
If a man says he knows God and keeps not his commandments, then that man is a liar........1 John 2:4He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
So then, if a man says he knows the Bible and does not do what the Bible says to do, then how can that man be credible?
ESPECIALLY when that man promotes a "holy day", (which he says isn't holy, but it is the day he choses rather than the Lords Day...) how can that man be credible?
Instead of obtaining Gods' Righteousness, he is supply his own righteousness..
"I'll go to church on MY day, "so there!"
"yeah God, so who do you think you are......the Creator???????"
Rivers of waters run down mine eyes, because they keep not thy law.
Ps 119:136
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paulwhut wrote:WAIT, UH wit,,,,,I'm cornfused....."Firstly, we make no claim that Sunday is a holy day. To one person, one day is holy, to another, every day is the same. It's no longer about a day. We are in the age of grace, not in the age of law. "
so then, not only do you ignore the Fourth Commandment, but you do not claim sunday as a holy day either.......uh
and you say we are living in the age of "grace", and we are not under the law............ Just as you have said, and I agree, the new testament does not declare the first day of the week to be a holy day. The new testament does not declare the seventh day to be a holy day either, at least not for gentiles.
Holy days are about law. We are under grace.
John 1:17 NIV
For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
Ephesians 2:15 NIV
by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new man out of the two, thus making peace,
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? - Galatians 4:16
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Good Morning...........America!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!hey it is Monday the Second Day of the Week!!!!!!
May this post find you all blossoming and stetchin out and looking for a GOOD DAY!!!!!
You would do away with the law huh? That is like doing away with the traffic laws of our roads. Can you imagine that? No stop signs, traffic lights, speed limits..........
no law huh? to warnings against killing, lyiing, stealing, cheating, etc etc etc....
That is why the unconverted will not go to heaven, and hej wouldn'tbe happy there if he did.
The unconverted hates Gods' law. The unconverted loves himself and the ability and freedom he has to serve himself.
That was Lucifers' problem, self.
lookie here at how Paul viewed the law:
Rom 7:7What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
8But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
9For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
10And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
11For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
12Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Psalm 119
1ALEPH. Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the LORD.
2Blessed are they that keep his testimonies, and that seek him with the whole heart.
3They also do no iniquity: they walk in his ways.
4Thou hast commanded us to keep thy precepts diligently.
5O that my ways were directed to keep thy statutes!
6Then shall I not be ashamed, when I have respect unto all thy commandments.
7I will praise thee with uprightness of heart, when I shall have learned thy righteous judgments.
8I will keep thy statutes: O forsake me not utterly.
9BETH. Wherewithal shall a young man cleanse his way? by taking heed thereto according to thy word.
10With my whole heart have I sought thee: O let me not wander from thy commandments.
11Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee.
12Blessed art thou, O LORD: teach me thy statutes.
13With my lips have I declared all the judgments of thy mouth.
14I have rejoiced in the way of thy testimonies, as much as in all riches.
15I will meditate in thy precepts, and have respect unto thy ways.
16I will delight myself in thy statutes: I will not forget thy word.
17GIMEL. Deal bountifully with thy servant, that I may live, and keep thy word.
18Open thou mine eyes, that I may behold wondrous things out of thy law.
19I am a stranger in the earth: hide not thy commandments from me.
20My soul breaketh for the longing that it hath unto thy judgments at all times.
21Thou hast rebuked the proud that are cursed, which do err from thy commandments.
22Remove from me reproach and contempt; for I have kept thy testimonies.
23Princes also did sit and speak against me: but thy servant did meditate in thy statutes.
24Thy testimonies also are my delight and my counsellors.
25DALETH. My soul cleaveth unto the dust: quicken thou me according to thy word.
26I have declared my ways, and thou heardest me: teach me thy statutes.
27Make me to understand the way of thy precepts: so shall I talk of thy wondrous works.
28My soul melteth for heaviness: strengthen thou me according unto thy word.
29Remove from me the way of lying: and grant me thy law graciously.
30I have chosen the way of truth: thy judgments have I laid before me.
31I have stuck unto thy testimonies: O LORD, put me not to shame.
32I will run the way of thy commandments, when thou shalt enlarge my heart.
33HE. Teach me, O LORD, the way of thy statutes; and I shall keep it unto the end.
34Give me understanding, and I shall keep thy law; yea, I shall observe it with my whole heart.
35Make me to go in the path of thy commandments; for therein do I delight.
36Incline my heart unto thy testimonies, and not to covetousness.
37Turn away mine eyes from beholding vanity; and quicken thou me in thy way.
38Stablish thy word unto thy servant, who is devoted to thy fear.
39Turn away my reproach which I fear: for thy judgments are good.
40Behold, I have longed after thy precepts: quicken me in thy righteousness.
41VAU. Let thy mercies come also unto me, O LORD, even thy salvation, according to thy word.
42So shall I have wherewith to answer him that reproacheth me: for I trust in thy word.
43And take not the word of truth utterly out of my mouth; for I have hoped in thy judgments.
44So shall I keep thy law continually for ever and ever.
45And I will walk at liberty: for I seek thy precepts.
46I will speak of thy testimonies also before kings, and will not be ashamed.
47And I will delight myself in thy commandments, which I have loved.
and there is a bunch more where that came from......=)
Rivers of waters run down mine eyes, because they keep not thy law.
Ps 119:136
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You see one of the headlines today? About "sick" people? Not "gay" people but "sick" people?
A waving red flag in our face is the up-front of the homosexual/lesbian situation. Our Country is going down the road of Sodom and Gomorah and will suffer the same fate.
How any sober, civilized society, and our country is founded on Christian principles............how we could have sunk so low as to countenance this behaviour as "acceptable/normal/good"........is bizarre in the extrreme.
well, what it is is satanic.
I can just imagine the devil and his angels falling all over themselves laughing at this sordid situation. And in our public school system it is being taught as an "alternate" life style.
Just one of the texts in the Bible that speaks to this is found in Romans the first chapter:
20For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
Those that "do" these things should be treated for what they are...............sick.
Not normal, not desireable, not acceptable, but sick. And in dire need of prayer and counseling and treatment.
Rivers of waters run down mine eyes, because they keep not thy law.
Ps 119:136
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paulwhut wrote:
... You would do away with the law huh? That is like doing away with the traffic laws of our roads. Can you imagine that? No stop signs, traffic lights, speed limits..........
no law huh? to warnings against killing, lyiing, stealing, cheating, etc etc etc....
I'm not talking about human civil laws. Your comment is an SDA smoke screen, obscuring the truth.
I'm talking about the Law of Moses. The OLD covenant; which was replaced by the NEW covenant. Are you familiar with that?
So, does the Bible say we are who are in Christ are under law or under grace? See for yourself.
Romans 6:14-15 NIV
For sin shall not be your master, because you are not under law, but under grace.
What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means!
Galatians 3:25 NIV
Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law.
Galatians 5:18 NIV
But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under law.
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? - Galatians 4:16
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There you go again confusing the ceremonial/sacrificial laws with the Moral Ten Commandment laws.
New covenant huh? You mean Heb 8 and 10
Of course you do!
Chapter 8
1Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;
2A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.
3For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer.
4For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:
5Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.
6But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
7For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
8For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
9Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
10For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
11And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
12For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
13In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
and of course we can not forget Heb 10, which you are also intimately familiar...:
Chapter 10
1For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
2For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
3But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
4For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
5Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
6In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
7Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
8Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
9Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
10By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
11And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
12But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
13From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
14For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
15Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
16This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
17And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
18Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
19Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
20By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
21And having an high priest over the house of God;
22Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
23Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised
24And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
25Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
26For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
27But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
28He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
29Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
30For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
31It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
32But call to remembrance the former days, in which, after ye were illuminated, ye endured a great fight of afflictions;
33Partly, whilst ye were made a gazingstock both by reproaches and afflictions; and partly, whilst ye became companions of them that were so used.
34For ye had compassion of me in my bonds, and took joyfully the spoiling of your goods, knowing in yourselves that ye have in heaven a better and an enduring substance.
35Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence of reward.
36For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.
37For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry.
38Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
39But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.
Now the chaper 9 which is between chapters 8 and 10, is it ok if you read that too?
Chapter 9
1Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.
2For there was a tabernacle made; the first, wherein was the candlestick, and the table, and the shewbread; which is called the sanctuary.
3And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of all;
4Which had the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, wherein was the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant;
5And over it the cherubims of glory shadowing the mercyseat; of which we cannot now speak particularly.
6Now when these things were thus ordained, the priests went always into the first tabernacle, accomplishing the service of God.
7But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people:
8The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:
9Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;
10Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.
11But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
12Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
13For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:
14How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
15And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
16For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
18Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.
19For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,
20Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.
21Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.
22And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
23It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
24For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:
25Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;
26For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
27And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
28So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
These show clearly the Bible stand on the "two covenants"..........
Rivers of waters run down mine eyes, because they keep not thy law.
Ps 119:136
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Paul,
From time-to-time, I have read the various subjects discussed within this topic with great interest, only to find that you keep returning to the subject of the Sabbath. It’s time to move on! I do not see others posting opposition to your worship day. However, I do see many from you talking down others as Sunday-Keepers. You must be proud of the fact that you are not as those who choose to worship on Sunday, the LORD’s day.
I feel that much of your argument comes from reading the teaching of your prophetess, rather than a proper understanding of God’s word. I pray that your eyes will be opened to the truth. As for your prophetess, I fear that she has been a stumbling block to her followers and must therefore answer for herself. God himself will be judge.
Mt 18:20 – For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I among them…..
If you wish to worship on the Sabbath, that’s great! Likewise, worshiping on the Lord’s day is also great. He is present on both days among his people, who put their trust in him alone.
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Leave the sabbath? Forget the Fourth Commandment? Move on to what?
The Sunday you speakof will one day become the Markof the Beast!
The sabbath of the Bible is the "Seal of God"......
Satan would like for us to "move on". "forget about it"........."change the subject".........
here is what is ignored.....
"Remember the sabbath to keep it holy........" "for in six days the Lord made........."......."wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day and hallowed it.......".....
move on to ...............a subject less objectionable? perhaps?
how about crochet?
and embrace evolution................and look to monkeys as mom and dad. and please the public school system.
ugh
Rivers of waters run down mine eyes, because they keep not thy law.
Ps 119:136
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