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Why I'm agnostic. 1CO 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints. Seems to be plenty of confusion going on here and in the world. "If a man loses pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music in which he hears, however measured, or far away.” Henry David Thoreau
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TerryD wrote:Why I'm agnostic.
1CO 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
Seems to be plenty of confusion going on here and in the world.
If you would read your Bible, you would not be confused......AND you would be a believer in Christ Jesus.
It is simple, you pay too much attention to the world and not enough to the Bible.
Jeremiah 6:
16 Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein.
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paulwhut wrote:TerryD wrote:Why I'm agnostic.
1CO 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
Seems to be plenty of confusion going on here and in the world.
If you would read your Bible, you would not be confused......AND you would be a believer in Christ Jesus.
It is simple, you pay too much attention to the world and not enough to the Bible.
I think there are many Bible readers here, but still there is confusion. In part I believe there is confusion in the Bible. Everyone can find verses to support their beliefs. "If a man loses pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music in which he hears, however measured, or far away.” Henry David Thoreau
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That is where prayer and study come in. Prayer because without the Holy Ghost we can not understand the Bible.
study is when we compare scripture with scripture.
It takes time and effort.
We got to turn off the TV, and burn the oil.
Let the Bible speak to you. Do not pay attention to custom and tradition.
Jeremiah 6:
16 Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein.
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another thing on this "confusion"..........since I started this thread the main topic has been "Dancing WITH God"......
my detractors insist on leading,
The Bible and I insist on God leading.
The confusion is when we try to harmonize the teaching of the Bible with OUR leading.
The Bible is Gods' Book, not OUR book. Consequently, in this dance of life, we need to FOLLOW God, and let Him lead.
No confusion there.
Sunday is mans' day. The sabbath is Gods' day......the Lords' Day.
God calls it "my holy day".
What could be more clearer than that?
Jeremiah 6:
16 Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein.
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paulwhut wrote:
... New covenant huh? You mean Heb 8 and 10 ...
You know I can't read that hideous bright blue text.
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paulwhut wrote:
... move on to ...............a subject less objectionable? perhaps?
how about crochet? .....
ROFLMBO!!!!!!!!!
You are so funny.
Sorry to "needle" you. lol
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TerryD wrote:Why I'm agnostic.
1CO 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
Seems to be plenty of confusion going on here and in the world. Terry,
I can't say that I blame you.
How anyone could make heads or tails of this mess is beyond me.
Unless someone has a "Road to Damascus" experience of some sort, how would you ever know for sure?
I pray that you will have yours this week. Keep me posted.
Hmm...
This may give you some perspective.
If you will notice, there are several Christians posting here at the moment,
but there are really only two views being presented.
One person is differing from all the rest.
That person represents one of the Millerite sects.
The Seventh Day Adventisits to be specific.
So basically, if you ignored the Millerite. What would become of the confusion?
Something to consider.
I am still your friend either way.
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? - Galatians 4:16
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Steve is correct. If you ignore my posts, you will not be confused.
Just read his posts.....or the rest of them and you will be in the same canoe.
You will then be able to do anything you wish, lie, steal, kill, go to church on Sunday........eat pig.
Worship other gods....................
serve mammon.
cause you "are under grace, not under any law....." or words to that effect. and you have no "rules" to hold you back.
Jeremiah 6:
16 Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein.
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DISCLAIMER!!! BEWARE OF THIS THREAD. THE POSTING OF ONE PAULWHUT ARE BIASED AND ONE-SIDED!!!!!
MUCH CREDIT IS GIVEN TO THE HOLY BIBLE AND TO THE WRITINGS OF ELLEN G. WHITE, WHOM HE CLAIMS TO HAVE POSSESSED THE "SPIRIT OF PROPHECY".
ALL FIRST DAY OF THE WEEKERS, AND FOLLOWERS OF THE RCC (Roman Catholic Church) ARE HEREBY WARNED OF THIS HERETIC!
THE MAN INSISTS ON OBEYING THE TEN COMMANDMENTS EVEN TO OBSERVING THE FOURTH COMMANDMENT!!!!!!!
BEWARE BEWARE BEWARE...........!
otherwise you'll be cornfused.
Jeremiah 6:
16 Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein.
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page 572, gotta remember that so when I want to post my "disclaimer" I can reach back and grab it.
You can post it too, matter of fact you can rewrite it if you wish, use the words that suit you the best.
Ki had the original, I was waiting on steve to write one. He has a better mind than I do and woulda done a better job.
Rev 12:17Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to make war against the rest of her offspring–those who obey God's commandments and hold to the testimony of Jesus.
uh oh, I went and used the NIV.....sorry
here I'll do it in the KJ
Rev 12:17And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
another one I especially like is Rev 22:14
14Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
You see, here is the deal. Only those who love Jesus and his commandments will enjoy the Kingdom of Heaven.
Cause therein everyone will keep the 7th day sabbath.
look at Is 66:23And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
So to please God is the bottom line......
here, look at Ecc 12:13Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
All you got to do is read the creation account, and see how God emphasises the 7th day there in Gen 2:1-3
Then when you read the 20th chapter of Exodus, and verses 8-11 you will see the Fourth Commandment........
Ex 20:8Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
So there, God hallowed it. He didn't do that to the first day (Sunday), he did it to the 7th day...(Saturday, or the sabbath).
How important is it?
How important is it to take home the right woman at night?
Since adultry is so bad, and that is the 7th commandment, what about the 4th?
paul, your friendly heretic.
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16 Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein.
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paulwhut wrote:... paul, your friendly heretic. LOL
You are so funny tonight.
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Good Morning America.....all you thread buddies..........
Hope this post finds you in good shape, Spiritually, physically.........if you are in good shape Spiritually, then you are in good shape!
It is nice to know from whence cometh your blessings! It is a pleasure to say “thank you” to the One who even helps you get up in the morning, and provides you water to brush your teeth.
I would encourage all of you to consider the customs and traditions that surround us, that some of them are contrary to Gods’ will for you and me. When Easter shows up, observe the easter bunny and the eggs, and try to reconcile them with the Resurrection of Jesus.....
Was watching a sermon yesterday on the “Islamic Connection”, how the RCC spawned the Islamic faith and the both of them are really the same religion.
Things are heating up in the world and the Second Coming of Jesus is eminent.
Mark 7:
7Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
March 16
“With All Your Heart” “And you will seek Me and find Me, when you search for Me
with all your heart” (Jer. 29:13, NKJV).
“With all your heart” means “sincerely,” true in word and act. The word sincere comes from two Latin words—sine (without) and cera (wax).
Apparently in the past, less-than-honest sculptors would secretly fix the flaws and cracks in their work by plugging them with wax, which, of course, doesn’t hold. Hence, sincerity means being real and genuine, not artificial. It means speaking or acting “from the heart” and meaning it.
Read 2 Chronicles 25:2. What is that text saying? What important point is being made about what’s inside us?
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The Hebrew word translated in some versions as “perfect” comes from the root slm (from which shalom is derived). It means, basically, “full,” “complete,” or “at peace.” Thus, we have here a king who did the right thing but not with a heart that was in the right place. He wasn’t sincere in his actions. This raises the possibility that a person could be doing the right things for the wrong reasons. Though we may be able to fool some of the people some of the time, and ourselves all the time, we can’t fool God any of the time. How interesting that when David prayed for his son, the first thing he wanted him to have was “a perfect heart” (1 Chron. 29:19, NASB).
Sincerity is important because the one who isn’t sincere, the one whose heart isn’t committed to what’s true and right, is someone with a divided heart. There surely is something else pulling on such a person, and as long as he or she doesn’t let go, as long as this person still allows those other allegiances a place, the heart cannot be slm, complete, or perfect before God. The key, then, is complete surrender to the Lord, a complete letting go of self. It’s not easy; in a real sense, to have that happen, you need to be, as we saw yesterday, broken on the Rock.
How sincere are you in your faith? We’re not talking about occa- sional doubts, or having deep unanswered questions (everyone at times has doubts, and all have deep unanswered questions), nor are we talking about struggling with sin. Instead, we’re talking about your heart. Is it fully committed to God, “com- plete” before Him, or is it divided between God and something of the world? If it is the latter, what choices must you make?
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The lesson this morning talks about a "perfect heart".....such as in 1 Chron 29:1919And give unto Solomon my son a perfect heart, to keep thy commandments, thy testimonies, and thy statutes, and to do all these things, and to build the palace, for the which I have made provision."
We each must have a perfect heart, and the customs and traditions I mentioned earlier also include our diet, and habits.
the Bible has clearly shown the distain the Lord shows to pork. Just read in Is 65 and 66 and you will see. (shellfish is a no no too!)
The Bible has clearly shown the affection God places upon his sabbath, even a casual reading of the Bible reveals that.
So to live contrary to the Bible, is to reveal a heart that is not right with God.
And God will not drag an "unright" heart into heaven, to walk those golden streets and fellowship with the saints forever.
isn't there a song...."create in me a clean heart O God, and renew a right Spirit within me....." Ps 51:10
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16 Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein.
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paulwhut wrote:
... Was watching a sermon yesterday on the “Islamic Connection”, how the RCC spawned the Islamic faith and the both of them are really the same religion...
And then they turned around and did that Crusades thing. The nerve of them. lol
You REALLY need to get out more.
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paulwhut wrote:... The Bible has clearly shown the affection God places upon his sabbath, even a casual reading of the Bible reveals that... Really?
Show us an effectionate statement by God about the sabbath in the new testament.
Extra points if God is speaking to gentiles.
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paulwhut wrote:
... We each must have a perfect heart, and the customs and traditions I mentioned earlier also include our diet, and habits.
the Bible has clearly shown the distain the Lord shows to pork. Just read in Is 65 and 66 and you will see. (shellfish is a no no too!) ...
Don't be so "shellfish". lol
Colossians 2:16-18a, 21-22 NIV
Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ. Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you for the prize...
... "Do not handle! Do not taste! Do not touch!"? These are all destined to perish with use, because they are based on human commands and teachings.
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? - Galatians 4:16
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paulwhut wrote:
Steve is correct. If you ignore my posts, you will not be confused.
Just read his posts.....or the rest of them and you will be in the same canoe.
You will then be able to do anything you wish, lie, steal, kill, go to church on Sunday........eat pig.
Worship other gods....................
serve mammon.
cause you "are under grace, not under any law....." or words to that effect. and you have no "rules" to hold you back.
There's a gross overstatement or three. Have I said anything of the sort?
Now, "serve mammon" comes up again.
Quite some time ago you accused me of not tithing. (And you accuse others.)
Though it was none of your business, I felt it important to establish my belief and faithfulness in tithing.
In so doing I asked you whether you personally tithe on the gross or on the net.
I don't recall getting a reply to that question. Would you care to respond now?
Romans 6:14-15 NIV
For sin shall not be your master, because you are not under law, but under grace.
What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means!
Galatians 3:25 NIV
Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law.
Galatians 5:18 NIV
But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under law.
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? - Galatians 4:16
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stevelundgren wrote:paulwhut wrote:
... We each must have a perfect heart, and the customs and traditions I mentioned earlier also include our diet, and habits.
the Bible has clearly shown the distain the Lord shows to pork. Just read in Is 65 and 66 and you will see. (shellfish is a no no too!) ...
Don't be so "shellfish". lol
Colossians 2:16-18a, 21-22 NIV
Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ. Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you for the prize...
... "Do not handle! Do not taste! Do not touch!"? These are all destined to perish with use, because they are based on human commands and teachings.
Animals serve 2 purposes, food and keeping the earth cleaned. The food rules in the Bible apply to everyone if they want to be healthy no mater if you are Jewish Christian, atheist or what. If it's a scavenger, don't eat it. I believe that's another lesson leaned over many years by trial and error. "If a man loses pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music in which he hears, however measured, or far away.” Henry David Thoreau
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TerryD wrote:Animals serve 2 purposes, food and keeping the earth cleaned. The food rules in the Bible apply to everyone if they want to be healthy no mater if you are Jewish Christian, atheist or what. If it's a scavenger, don't eat it. I believe that's another lesson leaned over many years by trial and error. You are a funny guy Terry.
If God told us we shouldn't do something, then we didn't need trial and error to find out it was bad. God said so in the first place. Those who didn't follow what God was saying found out the hard way.
I think the bigger issue is understanding whether a directive given by God to the Israelites wandering in the wilderness still applies to us today.
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