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Who in the world said anything about "righteousness being gained by the law"........
huh?
all the law does is point out sin. It (the law) reveals Gods' plan for us, his will.
Where does it have anything to do with righteousness???????? Rivers of waters run down mine eyes, because they keep not thy law.
Ps 119:136
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paulwhut wrote:Who in the world said anything about "righteousness being gained by the law"........
huh?
all the law does is point out sin. It (the law) reveals Gods' plan for us, his will.
Where does it have anything to do with righteousness???????? Who said anything about righteousness being gained by the law? You did. (indirectly)
Please correct me if I am misunderstanding you. (And lose the attitude already.)
Your argument is circular. Unless you are defining "righteousness" differently than the rest of us, then you are claiming that it comes through the law. Here's why.
1) Righteousness is defined simply as right living, or free from the quilt of sin.
2) You are claiming that "all the law does is point out sin." All? (an attempt to minimize the purpose of the Law)
3) Then you say "[The Law] reveals Gods' plan for us, his will."
4) So, put these two ideas together and you are saying:
The Law points out sin and reveals God's plan for us. (Is that a fair quote?)
5) Okay, here's the BIG question for you.
Can a person be righteous before God without following God's plan for their life as outlined in the Law?
6) This is a good question for you. Here's why.
If you say "no", then I was correct. You are claiming that righteousness is gained through the Law.
If you say "yes", then everything you have been teaching from the SDA is false.
7) Choose your answer carefully. I look forward to your reply.
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? - Galatians 4:16
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Please forgive me for being so abrupt. I saw your remark and couldn'tfor thelife of me ......anyhoo the argument we have had over the years about the Ten Commandments, seems I'm alwaYS defending them and here I see a connection betwen righteousness and the TC and what fills my mind is that our righteousness is worthless. Christ righteousness is ours when He lives in us.
As a matter of thought His righteousness in us makes us righteous before we know anything about the Ten Commandments.
The Ten Commandments come into play during the "sanctification" process....walkingwith God, learning His ways.....
les see your question was ......."5) Okay, here's the BIG question for you.
Can a person be righteous before God without following God's plan for their life as outlined in the Law? "
I answered that above."Christ righteousness is ours when He lives in us.
As a matter of thought His righteousness in us makes us righteous before we know anything about the Ten Commandments."
But then...........after we receive Christ living in us, we then study to "shew ourselves approved" and we then "walk with Christ" which entails obedience.
OBEDIENCE..mind you...........=)
To the Ten Commandments........uu
so then No. a man can not be righteous before God without obeying him.
Rivers of waters run down mine eyes, because they keep not thy law.
Ps 119:136
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"You look forward to my reply........"
reminds me of "Heckle an Jeckle" those two comic crows sitting up there on a telephone line lookin down on a guy......talking to themselves, ..."look at em.......doan know what he doin...." "Yeah, he looks like he be 'crow bait'.............hehhehheh
gonna pounce on me huh...........ok
Rivers of waters run down mine eyes, because they keep not thy law.
Ps 119:136
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paulwhut wrote:
... les see your question was .......
"5) Okay, here's the BIG question for you.
Can a person be righteous before God without following God's plan for their life as outlined in the Law? " ...
... so then No. a man can not be righteous before God without obeying him.
That was too easy.
Who said anything about righteousness being gained by the law? You did. (Indirectly again. Why do you try to hide it?)
If "a man [cannot] be righteous before God without obeying him", then the opposite statement applies as well.
You are saying that a man CAN be righteous before God BY obeying him. (Is that true?)
AND, obeying him, according to you means keeping the Law.
Therefore, if we combine the two statements you are saying:
A man can be righteous before God by obeying the Law. (Is that a fair quote?)
Who said anything about righteousness being gained by the law? You did.
When you are confused about the old and new covenants, it causes all sorts of problems.
Which of these two verses matches your doctrine? (Notice the phrase "but now" in the second verse.)
Again, I look forward to your reply. (Checkmate in three moves?)
Deuteronomy 6:25 NIV
And if we are careful to obey all this law before the LORD our God, as he has commanded us, that will be our righteousness."
Romans 3:21 NIV
But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify.
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? - Galatians 4:16
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The New Covenant view of righteousness.
Romans 10:4-5, 9-10 NIV
Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes. Moses describes in this way the righteousness that is by the law: "The man who does these things will live by them." ...
That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved.
Philippians 3:9 NIV
and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ—the righteousness that comes from God and is by faith.
Romans 4:23-24 NIV
The words "it was credited to him" were written not for him alone, but also for us, to whom God will credit righteousness—for us who believe...
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? - Galatians 4:16
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Hi Steve, Sorry to interrupt but does anyone post on here beside you and paul anymore?
It's like a ghost forum.
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sak1 wrote:Hi Steve, Sorry to interrupt but does anyone post on here beside you and paul anymore?
It's like a ghost forum. No, there are lots of fine folks.
Terry, Charles, Br Bruce, Calvin, and other newbies and oldbies.
Not sure what became of Sarge. I see Mysti is posting sometimes.
I hope you are well.
You are right, it has been rather quite.
I think we will get some new folks posting in the coming weeks.
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sak1 wrote:Has Ki left already? Left already?
I think he is still with us.
He just hasn't been on the forum lately.
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Rom 1:17For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Gal 2:
16Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
17But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.
18For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.
19For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
20I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
21I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
Gal 3:
8And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
9So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
10For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
11But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
12And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
13Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
14That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. Rivers of waters run down mine eyes, because they keep not thy law.
Ps 119:136
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paulwhut,
If you are going to create a smoke screen to hide behind, maybe a gray color would be appropriate.
That was a nice dance, once again, but it does nothing to deal with the key issues here.
(Now don't get all nostalgic on me.)
When you quote scripture you are helping to prove my point.
For instance, does this help your case or mine?
Gal 2:16 KJV
Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? - Galatians 4:16
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How do you figure that you can justify sundaykeeping by this ruse?
You are an intelligent man. You know that justification is through Jesus alone, has nothing to do with the law. It is an act of salvation.
Keeping the law is a resultof a relationship with Jesus, an act of love.
This is a subtil ruse on your part to avoid the obvious of facing the Fourth Commandment square in the face.
"Remember Sunday, why? because it is a requirement of the RCC.
Is there any Scripture for remembering Sunday?......no.
So then how do I justify my position of wrongousness??????
hmmmmmmmmmmm........les see........yeah
try and change the subject........=) Rivers of waters run down mine eyes, because they keep not thy law.
Ps 119:136
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paulwhut wrote:How do you figure that you can justify sundaykeeping by this ruse?
You are an intelligent man. You know that justification is through Jesus alone, has nothing to do with the law. It is an act of salvation.
Keeping the law is a resultof a relationship with Jesus, an act of love.
This is a subtil ruse on your part to avoid the obvious of facing the Fourth Commandment square in the face.
"Remember Sunday, why? because it is a requirement of the RCC.
Is there any Scripture for remembering Sunday?......no.
So then how do I justify my position of wrongousness??????
hmmmmmmmmmmm........les see........yeah
try and change the subject........=) That's pretty good.
Checkmate in three moves.
I'm changing the subject?
You've spent the last three posts whistling and poking your toe in the dirt.
Now you are back to unbiblical doctrine, name calling, and gross misspellings.
The question still stands.
Where in the New Testament are gentiles required to observe the Jewish sabbath?
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Good Morning to all you thread buddies. Today is Tuesday, the Third day of the week. May this post find all of you preparing for the first day of the rest of your lives.
I am encouraged that to look up is the solution. To look around is and can be discouraging. Our society is quickly losing its freedoms and soon we will all be told everything to do. And also which day to worship.
The Sunday blue laws are quietly sleeping soon to be awakened. The troubles coming on the earth are showing up at the door. The Second Coming of Jesus is soon to occur. The prophecies in the Bible are being fulfilled. We are living in the middle of the sixth seal
Rev 6:
12And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
13And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
14And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
We are children of the King of Kings. Children of Abraham, heirs to the promise.....
Gal 3:
6Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
7Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
8And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
9So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
10For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
11But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
12And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
13Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
14That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
Gal 3:
26For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
With the stoning of the Deacon named Stephen, the message of the Risen Christ then was to go to all the world. The Jewish people had sealed their fate and now salvation to them was no longer as a "favored" nation. They had rejected the Messiah.
The labors of Paul and the others was directed then to all people. Salvation thru Christ.
And as Paul said in Rom 7:7......."I had not known sin but by the law........" The Ten Commandments were never done away with, but continue to serve its function as a directive of right living with God and with fellow man.
March 23
Perseverance in Faith
Yesterday’s discussion question brought up the question of how well we are doing in cultivating the fruit that is our privilege to bear for the honor and glory of God. No doubt, as one looks at all these qualities of character and then compares oneself to them, it would be easy to get discouraged. After all, shouldn’t we be bearing more fruit than we are?
That’s a fair question, one that we should all seriously think about. “Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith” (2 Cor. 13:5). We need to take stock of ourselves, of how we are living and of what kind of witness we present to the world.
At the same time, too, we can face a danger. As Christians, we have the example of Jesus, the only sinless human being who ever lived. As we compare ourselves to Him, how easy it could be to get discour- aged. How easy to see His sinlessness and perfection in contrast to our sinfulness and weaknesses. We do have a perfect standard to follow, a perfect law to obey, and a perfect Savior to emulate. As we all know, we often fall far short of that standard, of that law, and of that Savior. How easy it can be, too, after falling and falling, after not seeing the kind of growth we would like, to get discouraged, even to the point of giving up, thinking, “Why bother? I just can’t do it.”
Here, though, is where we need to understand fully what salvation by faith is about. Here is where we need to understand where our salvation lies, and here is where we need to understand what Jesus accomplished for us on the cross.
Read Romans 3:20–26. What message is there for us about salva- tion? Why is this truth so important to cling to, especially when we feel discouraged about the state of our own fruit?
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No matter how earnestly we seek to live the Christian life and fight the battle against sin and self, as long as we keep before us, every day, every moment, the reality that our acceptance with God is found in Jesus and His righteousness, which He worked out for us and which He credits to us by faith, we will never give up. Why should we? Our salvation remains secure, not in ourselves but in Jesus.
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Rivers of waters run down mine eyes, because they keep not thy law.
Ps 119:136
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As concerning the "sixth seal", the following exerpt is taken from "Bible Readings for the Home Circle".....which you may read by going to the web site by that name.....:
11. What was first seen on the opening of the sixth seal?
"And I beheld when He had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake." Verse 12, first part.
NOTE.-This doubtless refers to the great earthquake of November 1, 1755, commonly known as the Lisbon earthquake, the effects of which were felt over an area of 4,000,000 square miles. Lisbon, Portugal, a city containing 150,000 inhabitants, was almost entirely destroyed. The shock of the earthquake, says Mr. Sears, in his of the World," page 200, "was instantly followed by the fall of every church and convent, almost all the large public buildings, and one-fourth of the houses. In about two hours afterward, fires broke out in different quarters, and raged with such violence for the space of nearly three days that the city was completely desolated. The earthquake happened on a holy day, when the churches and convents were full of people, very few of whom escaped. . . . The terror of the people was beyond description. Nobody wept: it was beyond tears. They ran hither and thither, delirious with horror and astonishment, beating their faces and breasts, crying, 'Misericordia! the world's at an end!'. Mothers forgot their children, and ran about loaded with crucifixed images. Unfortunately, many ran to the churches for protection; but in vain was the sacrament exposed; in vain did the poor creatures embrace the altars; images, priests, and people were buried in one common ruin. . . . Ninety thousand persons are supposed to have been lost on that fatal day."
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12. What was to follow the great earthquake?
"And the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood." Same verse, latter part.
NOTE.-This refers to the dark day and night of May 19, 1780, when the darkness and gloom were such as to give the general impression that the day of judgment was at hand.
13. What other event is mentioned under this seal?
"And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casts her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind." Verse 13.
NOTES.-This was fulfilled in the wonderful meteoric shower of November 13, 1833. Describing the scene in the vicinity of Niagara Falls, one writer says: "No spectacle so terribly grand and sublime was ever before beheld by man as that of the firmament descending in fiery torrents over the dark and roaring cataract."-"Our First Century," Page 330; also The American Cyclopedia, edition 1881, article "Meteor." See readings just referred to.
A contributor, writing for the Journal of Commerce of November 14, 1833, in regard to the falling stars of November 13, 1833, said: "Were I to hunt through nature for a simile, I could not find one so apt to illustrate the appearance of the heavens as that which St. John uses in the prophecy. The falling stars did not come as if from several trees shaken, but as from one; those which appeared in the east, fell toward the east; those which appeared in the west, fell toward the west; and those which appeared in the south, fell toward the south. And they fell not as the ripe fruit falls-far from it-but they flew, they were cast, like the unripe fruit which at first refuses to leave the branch; and when, under a violent pressure, it does break its hold, it flies swiftly, straight off, descending; and in the multitude falling, some cross the track of others, as they are thrown with more or less force; but each one falls on its own side of the tree." See reading in Chapter 69. of this book.
14. What is the next event mentioned in the prophecy?
"And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places" Verse 14.
NOTE.-This event is still future, and will take place in connection with Christ's second coming. We are now standing between the two events-the last of the signs in the heavens, and the parting of the heavens and removal of earthly things out of their places. The great signs here mentioned which mark the approach of Christ's second coming and the dissolution of all earthly things, are all in the past, and the world awaits the sound of the last trump as the closing scene in earth's drama.
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15. How will this great event affect the world?
"And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every freeman, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; and said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of Him that sits on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: for the great day of His wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?" Verses 15-17.
16. After the sealing work brought to view in Revelation 7, which takes place under the sixth seal, how is the seventh seal introduced?
"And when He had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour." Rev. 8:1.
NOTE.-The sixth seal introduced the events connected with the second coming of Christ. The seventh seal most naturally, therefore, would refer to that event, or to some accompanying result of it. When Christ comes, all the holy angels will accompany Him (Matt. 25:31); and it follows that silence will necessarily, therefore, reign in heaven during their absence. A half hour of prophetic time would be about seven days. The seven seals, therefore, bring us down to the second coming of Christ.
It may be at morn, when the day is awaking,
When sunlight through darkness and shadow is breaking,
That Jesus will come in the fulness of glory
To receive from the world His own.
It may be at midday, it may be at twilight,
It may be, perchance, that the blackness of midnight
Will burst into light in the blaze of His glory,
When Jesus receives His own.
O joy! O delight! should we go without dying
No sickness, no sadness, no dread, and no crying,
Caught up through the clouds with our Lord into glory,
When Jesus receives His own.
H. L. TURNER. Rivers of waters run down mine eyes, because they keep not thy law.
Ps 119:136
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I couldn't end this am without saying a word about this mornings' ss lesson....and Rom 3:20-26
Salvation is only thru Christ, can not be earned....it is a gift. "Works" come into the picture when the converted soul begins to search for ways to love Jesus back. To actively pursue Jesus and make efforts to please him and do his will.It is a marriage....he is the Bridegroom, we are the bride. it is a love relationship.......no works involved, just service and attention paid.
Obedience isn't "works", it is a lifestyle, a preveledge, an honor.
In James 2 works are talked about. And I contend that these "works" are a term used to describe the Christian life. It is a way of life.
14What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
15If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
16And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
17Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
18Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
19Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
20But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
21Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
22Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
23And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
24Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
25Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
26For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. Rivers of waters run down mine eyes, because they keep not thy law.
Ps 119:136
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paulwhut wrote:... Salvation is only thru Christ, can not be earned....it is a gift. "Works" come into the picture when the converted soul begins to search for ways to love Jesus back. To actively pursue Jesus and make efforts to please him and do his will... You still don't seem to make the connection between works and faith.
Do we need to "search for ways to love Jesus back"?
The person that does that is likely to miss the things God puts directly in their path.
Dead religion seeks something, anything, to do to create fulfillment.
Jesus said, "My sheep hear my voice." We shouldn't be "searching". We should be "listening".
You tell folks to stick their nose in a book to find the will of God.
There is a place for knowledge. It's a base. A platform. A launch pad.
We need to be aimed in the right direction. Then we can walk in this adventure of faith.
Believing God for the impossible. But you want them to settle for the possible, the obvious, the predictable.
Where is the faith in that? I should visit your church. I want to sit on the platform and count yawns.
I can't imagine how exciting it must be to be drilled every week about the heavy yoke of bondage that we must carry to please Jesus. Even though he said, "My yoke is easy and my burden is light." - Matt 11:30
How do you guard against "dead works"? A living faith is the goal.
Instead of "seeking ways", we need to be "seeking God".
God wants a relationship, not religious activity.
There are good works prepared for each individual that are not written in a book somewhere.
You completely miss the idea that what God wants from each individual is unique to that individual.
It's the good works prepared ahead of time, that we should walk in them. - Eph 2:10
Hebrews 6:1 KJV
Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
Hebrews 9:14 KJV
How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
John 6:28-29 NIV
Then they asked him, "What must we do to do the works God requires?"
Jesus answered, "The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent."
Ephesians 2:10 NIV
For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? - Galatians 4:16
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paulwhut wrote:Good Morning to all you thread buddies. Today is Tuesday, the Third day of the week. May this post find all of you preparing for the first day of the rest of your lives.
I am encouraged that to look up is the solution. To look around is and can be discouraging. Our society is quickly losing its freedoms and soon we will all be told everything to do. And also which day to worship.
The Sunday blue laws are quietly sleeping soon to be awakened. The troubles coming on the earth are showing up at the door. The Second Coming of Jesus is soon to occur. The prophecies in the Bible are being fulfilled. We are living in the middle of the sixth seal
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I can't find it , but I thought the temple in Jerusalem had to be rebuilt before any of the seals were opened. "If a man loses pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music in which he hears, however measured, or far away.” Henry David Thoreau
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You are treading water. Since you have turned away from His law, you can count yourself as rebellious. So you are wasting your time with your texts and positions.
You are an outlaw. You are not walking with God, following his leading....you are going your own way.
You would not like heaven, where obedience and conformity to Gods' way of life is the norm.
We been arguing this now for two years. You should confine your attention and questions to bb or others of like faith.
Rivers of waters run down mine eyes, because they keep not thy law.
Ps 119:136
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