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sumr0luv wrote:... The law that never changes and remains forever. Is the Ten commandments that is the only law that is eternal. Hmm...
Funny that didn't come up when Jesus was asked about the greatest commandments.
Matthew 22:36-40 NIV
"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."
Deuteronomy 6:5 NIV
Love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength.
Leviticus 19:18 NIV
... love your neighbor as yourself...
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? - Galatians 4:16
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stevelundgren wrote:TerryD wrote:stevelundgren wrote:TerryD wrote:stevelundgren wrote:TerryD wrote:The law is NOT a singular thing. The Ten Commandments were important enough that God wrote them himself in stone. I believe the significance of putting them in stone was to show they were permanent. When you put the word "the" in front of something... you make it a singular thing.
Here's a good example. Jesus didn't say he was a way, a truth and a life.
John 14:6 NIV
Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
THE Ten Commandments. Yup. What does the Bible say about the Ten Commandments as a singular thing?
THE ten commandments are separate from other laws, Special. The Bible says that????? Where?
No you said that. You said "When you put the word "the" in front of something... you make it a singular thing." That would make THE ten commandments a singular thing according to you. "If a man loses pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music in which he hears, however measured, or far away.” Henry David Thoreau
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stevelundgren wrote:paulwhut wrote:stevelundgren wrote:For all you King James fans.
Galatians 2:21 KJV
I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
Righteousness does not come by the law, Righteousness is obedience to the law, and this is only accomplished thru the Holy Spirit living within us.
Jesus Christ is our righteousness. That's a bunch of double-talk.
Righteousness does not come by obedience to the law. If it did, then Christ is dead in vain.
The verse say that grace is frustrated when we try to be righteous by the law.
Let's try that in the NIV.
Here the grace of God would be set aside if righteousness could be gained through the law.
If righteousness could be gained through obedience to the law, Christ died for nothing!
Galatians 2:21 NIV
I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!"
You do not understand that it is Jesus who enables us to obey the Law?
You think that we obey the Lord in our own righteousness?
You must understand that it is the indwelling Christ that enables us to obey, and in obeying we are being righteous, thru Christ, not of ourselves. Rivers of waters run down mine eyes, because they keep not thy law.
Ps 119:136
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TerryD wrote:stevelundgren wrote:TerryD wrote:stevelundgren wrote:TerryD wrote:stevelundgren wrote:TerryD wrote:The law is NOT a singular thing. The Ten Commandments were important enough that God wrote them himself in stone. I believe the significance of putting them in stone was to show they were permanent. When you put the word "the" in front of something... you make it a singular thing.
Here's a good example. Jesus didn't say he was a way, a truth and a life.
John 14:6 NIV
Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
THE Ten Commandments. Yup. What does the Bible say about the Ten Commandments as a singular thing?
THE ten commandments are separate from other laws, Special. The Bible says that????? Where?
No you said that. You said "When you put the word "the" in front of something... you make it a singular thing." That would make THE ten commandments a singular thing according to you. I agreed with you on that point. ("Yup.)
However, when the word commandments is used in the Bible, it does not distinguish between the Ten Commandments and the other commandments of "the law".
You seem to be on both sides of this argument. You began by saying this:
"The law is NOT a singular thing." - TerryD
When asked about the greatest commandment, Jesus didn't even mention the Ten Commandments.
Matthew 22:36-40 NIV
"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."
Deuteronomy 6:5 NIV
Love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength.
Leviticus 19:18 NIV
... love your neighbor as yourself...
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? - Galatians 4:16
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stevelundgren wrote:paulwhut wrote:stevelundgren wrote:So Christ couldn't have died to change the ceremonial law. Doesn't work that way.
That would be a change in the law. (not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen)
The law is a singular thing. It is indivisible.
The law of Moses, not the laws of Moses.
Flawed reasoning! Of course Christ died to disolve the Ceremonial Law. The Ceremonial law pointed to the coming Messiah, the Lamb of God.
The law is not a "singular thing".
We will never come together on this Bible subject.
Never! Never say never.
The term "the law" occurs 281 times in the KJV.
Link to biblical search for "the law" in the KJV
Here's a question.
How do you know when it means "ceremonial" law or when it means the whole law?
You look at the context of the passage, who was the speaker speaking to......and what was he talking about. The Books of Galations and Romans were dealing with turning the people to faith in Christ and not to the various rites and ceremonies contained in the "ordnances and laws".
As has been said before, the Apostles were speaking to a people who had BEEN steeped in the ceremonial law and now was in need of coming out of it, and the writings of Paul was trying to educate the people that Jesus Christ was the Messiah who was the Lamb that the ceremonial law pointed to.
The yearly feast days and sabbaths pointed to the coming Messiah. The weekly sabbath of the Ten Commandments was a seperate different thing all together.
Rivers of waters run down mine eyes, because they keep not thy law.
Ps 119:136
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G ood Morning America, today is Saturday, the seventh day of the week......the sabbath day.
May this post find all of you well and happy!
*July 31–August 6 Saturday
Expounding the Faith
sabbath afternoon
Read for This Week’s Study: Romans 5.
Memory Text: “Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: by whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God” (Romans 5:1, 2).
Paul has established the point that justification, or acceptance with God, comes only through faith in Jesus Christ, for His righteous- ness alone is enough to give us the right standing with our Lord. Building on that great truth, Paul now expounds more on this theme. Showing that salvation has to be by faith and not by works, not even for someone as “righteous” as Abraham, Paul in a sense steps back and looks at the big picture—at what caused sin and suffering and death and how the solution is found in Christ and what He’s done for the human race.
Through the fall of one man, Adam, all humanity faced condemna- tion, alienation, and death; through the victory of one man, Jesus, all the world was placed on a new footing before God, one in which, by faith in Jesus, the record of their sins and the punishment due those sins could be remitted, could be forgiven and forever pardoned.
Paul contrasts Adam and Jesus, showing how Christ came to undo what Adam did and that by faith the victims of Adam’s sin could be rescued by Jesus, the Savior. The foundation of it all is the cross of Christ and His substitutionary death there—which opens the way for every human being, Jew or Gentile, to be saved by Jesus, who with His blood brought justification to all who accept Him.
Surely this is a theme worth expounding upon, for it’s the founda- tion of all our hope.
*Study this week’s lesson to prepare for Sabbath, August 7.
Rivers of waters run down mine eyes, because they keep not thy law.
Ps 119:136
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paulwhut wrote:You look at the context of the passage, who was the speaker speaking to......and what was he talking about. The Books of Galations and Romans were dealing with turning the people to faith in Christ and not to the various rites and ceremonies contained in the "ordnances and laws".
As has been said before, the Apostles were speaking to a people who had BEEN steeped in the ceremonial law and now was in need of coming out of it, and the writings of Paul was trying to educate the people that Jesus Christ was the Messiah who was the Lamb that the ceremonial law pointed to.
The yearly feast days and sabbaths pointed to the coming Messiah. The weekly sabbath of the Ten Commandments was a seperate different thing all together. So you agree with me that the Bible itself makes no clear distinction between parts of the law. It is left to the reader to interpret what is meant.
Unfortunately, two readers may approach a passage with different presuppositions.
The only reason you claim that my reasoning is flawed is because it does not align with your presuppositions.
You aren't able to prove your points biblically because they are based on presuppositions not scripture.
Though the audience for the book of Romans is debatable, the book of Galatians is clearly written to address the controversy of the attempts to judaize the gentile Christians. That very fact destroys SDA doctrine.
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The Epistle of Paul to the Galatians, usually referred to simply as Galatians, is the ninth book of the New Testament. It is a letter from Paul of Tarsus to a number of Early Christian communities in the Roman province of Galatia in central Anatolia. The author is principally concerned with the controversy surrounding Gentile Christians and the Mosaic Law within Early Christianity, see also Paul of Tarsus and Judaism. Along with the Epistle to the Romans, it is the most theologically significant of the Pauline epistles, and has been particularly influential in Protestant thought.
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Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? - Galatians 4:16
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paulwhut wrote:... The foundation of it all is the cross of Christ and His substitutionary death there—which opens the way for every human being, Jew or Gentile, to be saved by Jesus, who with His blood brought justification to all who accept Him... Again, how can a false religion that teaches the Investigative Judgment publish something like this?
How can they claim that Christ's death was substitutionary when they believe that salvation hinges on being judged by our works?
It seems that they are saying the atonement was only sufficient to get you saved. After that you are right back were you were before you were saved, under the judgment of the law, with no further hope of the substitutionary death to cover your sins. Basically, your GET OUT OF HELL FREE card can only be played once. After that, you're on your own again. Seems pointless.
However, the Bible says that we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. The atonement is a complete work.
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Unorthodox view of the Atonement—Protestant Christianity has traditionally taught that Jesus Christ performed his work of atonement on the Cross, and that his sacrificial death brought to fulfillment the entire Old Testament sacrificial system, including the Day of Atonement. The idea that the Day of Atonement does not meet its antitype until 18 centuries after Jesus' crucifixion is a major deviation from historic Christian theology.
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Hebrews 10:9-10 NIV
Then he said, "Here I am, I have come to do your will." He sets aside the first to establish the second. And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? - Galatians 4:16
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paulwhut wrote:You do not understand that it is Jesus who enables us to obey the Law?
You think that we obey the Lord in our own righteousness?
You must understand that it is the indwelling Christ that enables us to obey, and in obeying we are being righteous, thru Christ, not of ourselves. You are claiming then that we are under law. I disagree.
You also claim that the use of the term "the law" in the New Testament typically refers only to the ceremonial law.
The verses in Galatians below describe the scope of the term "the law" as everything written in the Book of the Law. Further it declares, clearly no one is justified before God by observing the law, because the righteous will live by faith.
Galatians 3:10-11 NIV
All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law." Clearly no one is justified before God by the law, because, "The righteous will live by faith."
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Here it is in the KJV for our King James fans.
Galatians 3:10-11 KJV
For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
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stevelundgren wrote:TerryD wrote:stevelundgren wrote:TerryD wrote:stevelundgren wrote:TerryD wrote:stevelundgren wrote:TerryD wrote:The law is NOT a singular thing. The Ten Commandments were important enough that God wrote them himself in stone. I believe the significance of putting them in stone was to show they were permanent. When you put the word "the" in front of something... you make it a singular thing.
Here's a good example. Jesus didn't say he was a way, a truth and a life.
John 14:6 NIV
Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
THE Ten Commandments. Yup. What does the Bible say about the Ten Commandments as a singular thing?
THE ten commandments are separate from other laws, Special. The Bible says that????? Where?
No you said that. You said "When you put the word "the" in front of something... you make it a singular thing." That would make THE ten commandments a singular thing according to you. I agreed with you on that point. ("Yup.)
However, when the word commandments is used in the Bible, it does not distinguish between the Ten Commandments and the other commandments of "the law".
You seem to be on both sides of this argument. You began by saying this:
"The law is NOT a singular thing." - TerryD
When asked about the greatest commandment, Jesus didn't even mention the Ten Commandments.
Matthew 22:36-40 NIV
"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."
Deuteronomy 6:5 NIV
Love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength.
Leviticus 19:18 NIV
... love your neighbor as yourself...
Could it be that commandments (the 10) are one thing and laws are another? Can you name a commandment that isn't one of the 10? "If a man loses pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music in which he hears, however measured, or far away.” Henry David Thoreau
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TerryD wrote:Could it be that commandments (the 10) are one thing and laws are another? Can you name a commandment that isn't one of the 10? The Ten Commandments are a subset of all the commandments.
All the commandments are a subset of the law.
I guess you aren't paying attention. Here's two commandments from the previous post that are not part of "the Ten".
Matthew 22:36-40 NIV
"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."
Deuteronomy 6:5 NIV
Love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength.
Leviticus 19:18 NIV
... love your neighbor as yourself...
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Need more? Visit Deuteronomy 27. Don't forget to have fun! 
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stevelundgren wrote:TerryD wrote:Could it be that commandments (the 10) are one thing and laws are another? Can you name a commandment that isn't one of the 10? The Ten Commandments are a subset of all the commandments.
All the commandments are a subset of the law.
I guess you aren't paying attention. Here's two commandments from the previous post that are not part of "the Ten".
Matthew 22:36-40 NIV
"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."
Deuteronomy 6:5 NIV
Love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength.
Leviticus 19:18 NIV
... love your neighbor as yourself...
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I'm paying attention. Are you? Mara gave a very good explanation of Matthew 22:36-40 NIV. "If a man loses pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music in which he hears, however measured, or far away.” Henry David Thoreau
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TerryD wrote:I'm paying attention. Are you? Mara gave a very good explanation of Matthew 22:36-40 NIV.
I can't believe you are that gullible.
It's clear that they are not numbered in "the Ten". It's that simple.
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stevelundgren wrote:TerryD wrote:I'm paying attention. Are you? Mara gave a very good explanation of Matthew 22:36-40 NIV.
I can't believe you are that gullible.
It's clear that they are not numbered in "the Ten". It's that simple.
I think it's very clear. You can't see it because it interferes with your beliefs. "If a man loses pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music in which he hears, however measured, or far away.” Henry David Thoreau
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TerryD wrote:stevelundgren wrote:TerryD wrote:I'm paying attention. Are you? Mara gave a very good explanation of Matthew 22:36-40 NIV. I can't believe you are that gullible.
It's clear that they are not numbered in "the Ten". It's that simple.
I think it's very clear. You can't see it because it interferes with your beliefs. That goes both ways.
You can't claim to NOT be operating under some preconceptions as well.
There are several different perspectives here.
I can understand something without agreeing with it. You can too.
She claimed that the two commandments in question "summed up" the Ten Commandments.
Here's what she said:
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To love your God with all your heart soul and mind sums of the first 4 commandments--- ...
Love your neighbor as yourself sums up the last 6 commandments--- ...
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So essentally this is an admission that they in fact are NOT the Ten Commandments.
The closest connection is an attempt to draw parallels.
The simple fact is that they are NOT found in the Ten Commandments.
I hope that's clear now.
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stevelundgren wrote:TerryD wrote:stevelundgren wrote:TerryD wrote:I'm paying attention. Are you? Mara gave a very good explanation of Matthew 22:36-40 NIV. I can't believe you are that gullible.
It's clear that they are not numbered in "the Ten". It's that simple.
I think it's very clear. You can't see it because it interferes with your beliefs. That goes both ways.
You can't claim to NOT be operating under some preconceptions as well.
There are several different perspectives here.
I can understand something without agreeing with it. You can too.
She claimed that the two commandments in question "summed up" the Ten Commandments.
Here's what she said:
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To love your God with all your heart soul and mind sums of the first 4 commandments--- ...
Love your neighbor as yourself sums up the last 6 commandments--- ...
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So essentally this is an admission that they in fact are NOT the Ten Commandments.
The closest connection is an attempt to draw parallels.
The simple fact is that they are NOT found in the Ten Commandments.
I hope that's clear now.
Perfectly"If a man loses pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music in which he hears, however measured, or far away.” Henry David Thoreau
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Good Morning Dance Class......ah the dance, .....yes how can we dance around this one, ooooooorrr that one....huuuuuuummmmmm?????
les see, we have sin, but we do not have the "qualifier" of sin.........there is no Ten Commandments cause we are under Grace............
But still there is sin, and there is Grace..........
So then if there is still sin, then there must still be the Ten Commandments.......so?????????
really there is only nine commandments. (we cut out the one that said "Remember"......remember?)
So toss the Bible and claim aliegence to the Nine Commandments!
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MAKES sense to me. yep!
just issue condoms to our kids and unlock the liquor cabinet and place the car keys where they are clearly seen..............and mom and dad can just go fishin.
Rich Young Ruler Matt 19:
16Now behold, one came and said to Him, “Good Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?”
17So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”
18He said to Him, “Which ones?”
Jesus said, “‘You shall not murder,’ ‘You shall not commit adultery,’ ‘You shall not steal,’ ‘You shall not bear false witness,’
19‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’”
20The young man said to Him, “All these things I have kept from my youth. What do I still lack?”
21Jesus said to him, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell what you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.”
22But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful, for he had great possessions.
And since there are PLENTY of texts in the Bible that tell us to sanctify the First Day of the Week.......(Sunday), That is the THE day to observe as sacred unto the Pope!
Remember..."Remember" we have trashed the Bible. We are now "contemporary" religion...............where's the golden calf?
August 1 Sunday
Therefore, Being Justified
Read Romans 5:1–5. On the lines below summarize Paul’s message. What can you take from that for yourself now?
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“Being justified” is literally “having been justified.” The Greek verb represents the action as completed. We have been declared righteous, or regarded as righteous, not through any deeds of law but through our having accepted Jesus Christ. The perfect life that Jesus lived on this earth, His perfect law-keeping, has been credited to us.
At the same time, all of our sins have been laid on Jesus. God has reckoned that Jesus committed those sins, not us, and that way we can be spared the punishment that we deserve. That punishment fell on Christ for us, in behalf of us, so that we never have to face it our- selves. What more glorious news could there be for the sinner?
The Greek word translated “glory” in verse 3 is the one translated “rejoice” in verse 2. If it is translated “rejoice” in verse 3 also (as in some versions), the connection between verses 2 and 3 is more clearly seen. Justified people can rejoice in tribulation because they have fixed their faith and trust in Jesus Christ. They have confidence that God will work all things for good. They will consider it an honor to suffer for Christ’s sake. (See 1 Pet. 4:13.)
Notice, too, the progression in verses 3 through 5.
1. Patience. The Greek word hupomone means “steadfast endur- ance.” This is the type of endurance that tribulation develops in the one who maintains faith and who does not lose sight of the hope he or she has in Christ even amid the trials and suffering that can make life so miserable at times.
2. Experience. The Greek word dokime means literally “the qual- ity of being approved,” hence, “character,” or more specifically, “approved character.” The one who patiently endures trials can develop an approved character.
3. Hope. Endurance and approval naturally give rise to hope, the hope found in Jesus and the promise of salvation in Him. As long as we cling to Jesus in faith, repentance, and obedience, we have every- thing to hope for.
What is the one thing in all your life that you hope for more than anything else? How can that hope be fulfilled in Jesus? Or can it? If not, are you sure you want to be putting so much hope in it?
Rivers of waters run down mine eyes, because they keep not thy law.
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paulwhut wrote:... And since there are PLENTY of texts in the Bible that tell us to sanctify the First Day of the Week.......(Sunday), That is the THE day to observe as sacred unto the Pope!
I guess you forgot that we are gentiles. Originally, Jesus brought salvation to the Jews.
After Pentecost he sent Peter and Paul to the gentiles.
The gentiles, of course weren't jewish. (duh)
This meant they weren't welcome in anything jewish.
Not welcome to associate with the jews.
Not welcome at the temple.
Not welcome at the festivals.
Not welcome in the synagogues.
Not welcome to observe the sabbath.
Because they weren't jewish!
So, in order to prove your point, you need to show us where the sabbath was introduced into gentile culture.
Where are the teachings that bring gentile believers under the law of Moses?
And why would such a backwards thing even be considered?
What part of NEW covenant don't you understand?
In the gospel a righteousness from God is revealed. Rm 1:17
Something revealed was not previously seen.
Righteousness has a whole new face. By grace, not by works. By the Spirit, not by law.
John 4:22 NIV
You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews.
Luke 2:32 NIV
a light for revelation to the Gentiles and for glory to your people Israel.
Acts 9:15 NIV
But the Lord said to Ananias, "Go! This man is my chosen instrument to carry my name before the Gentiles and their kings and before the people of Israel.
Acts 11:1 NIV
The apostles and the brothers throughout Judea heard that the Gentiles also had received the word of God.
Acts 13:16 NIV
Standing up, Paul motioned with his hand and said: "Men of Israel and you Gentiles who worship God, listen to me!
Acts 13:26 NIV
"Brothers, children of Abraham, and you God-fearing Gentiles, it is to us that this message of salvation has been sent.
Acts 13:46 NIV
Then Paul and Barnabas answered them boldly: "We had to speak the word of God to you first. Since you reject it and do not consider yourselves worthy of eternal life, we now turn to the Gentiles.
Acts 14:27 NIV
On arriving there, they gathered the church together and reported all that God had done through them and how he had opened the door of faith to the Gentiles.
Acts 15:7 NIV
After much discussion, Peter got up and addressed them: "Brothers, you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe.
Acts 15:12 NIV
The whole assembly became silent as they listened to Barnabas and Paul telling about the miraculous signs and wonders God had done among the Gentiles through them.
Acts 15:14 NIV
Simon has described to us how God at first showed his concern by taking from the Gentiles a people for himself.
Acts 15:19 NIV
"It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God.
Acts 18:6 NIV
But when the Jews opposed Paul and became abusive, he shook out his clothes in protest and said to them, "Your blood be on your own heads! I am clear of my responsibility. From now on I will go to the Gentiles."
Romans 1:5 NIV
Through him and for his name's sake, we received grace and apostleship to call people from among all the Gentiles to the obedience that comes from faith.
Romans 1:16-17 NIV
I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. For in the gospel a righteousness from God is revealed, a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: "The righteous will live by faith".
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? - Galatians 4:16
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