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stevelundgren
#1 Posted : Thursday, July 29, 2010 8:40:07 AM
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Examining the Absurdities of the Politically Correct Assertions
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Islam, Noble & Peaceful?

Jim Croft

Inevitably, whenever the diplomats and national leaders of America and the UK mention Islam they are quick to interject that it’s a noble and peaceful religion that’s been hijacked by extremists. The Aussies, Dutch, Danes and even the French are singing a different tune. Recent media reports indicate that history is teaching them some tough lessons. Such things as Islamic terrorists attacks, riots and looting, honor killings, bulging welfare roles and Islam’s basic tenet that Sharia Law overrides national laws are convincing them that Islam is neither noble nor peaceful.

Australia’s government has issued the decree that any Muslim who is predisposed to apply Sharia Law above its national laws will be deported. Holland’s Minister of the Interior, Hurst Wellers has stated that if Muhammad were a present-day resident of the Netherlands, he would be arrested for inciting terrorism. The Danes are recognizing that their former liberal immigration policies have put their national heritage at risk. They’re instituting stringent laws for welfare recipients and for Muslims that want to bring in family members from abroad. France’s Nicolas Sarkozy won the presidential election on a platform that took a strong stand against Islam’s efforts to replace French values. America and the UK would do well to heed and to follow suit with the democracies that are setting the prudent pace.

Noble & Peaceful

For most, the word noble evokes images of something that is dignified and lofty in principles. Peaceful is a quality that inspires harmonious relationships between those whose cultural worldviews might differ. In a disproportionate manner to any other major religion, Islam fails to meet anything akin to those definitions. Its founder, tenets, ancient and recent history and that which it fosters in all too many of its adherents are ignoble and tend to incite hostilities. Hopefully, this article will provide insights that will cause those that have not seen the light about Islam to recognize the absurdities of PC posturing.

Muhammad

The Canadian intellectual, Ali Sina is an X-Muslim of Iranian descent. He has written a psychobiography of Muhammad that is titled, Understanding Muhammad. His well-documented work describes the founder of Islam as a murderer, torturer and rapist whose alleged encounters with Allah and the Archangel Gabriel were symptomatic of temporal lobe epilepsy. He calls into question the PC assertion that Muslim women are treated like queens. To his mind, the tenets of a religion that refers to women as deficient in intelligence and espouses beatings, stoning and honor-killings for women who transgress hardly exemplifies queenly status. He advises the gullible who are taken in by diplomatic smiles of Muslim spokesmen to consider a verse from Islam’s Hadiths. Verily, we smile for some people, while our hearts curse those same people. (Sahih al-Bukhari, v7, p102)

The former Islamic Terrorist, Walid Shoebat is a Palestinian who has converted to Christianity. One of his recent books is, Why We Want To Kill You. He cleverly points out that a major faux pas of the naïve is to think of Islam as simply a religion. He gives ample proofs that more so than being a religion, from its formative period has been a political movement that demands global submission to its Sharia Law. A mutual friend of his and mine, Abdullah Al-Araby concurs with a quote from an Islamist to a Christian clergyman: “Thanks to your democratic laws we will invade you; thanks to our religious laws we will dominate you.” (The Islamization of America p8)

Shoebat does not deny that there are some Muslims who have secular mindsets. Such don’t mind letting those of other faiths live-and-let-live as they endeavor to do the same. Nonetheless, he emphasizes that it’s impossible to simultaneously be a true Muslim and a moderate. The essence of Islam places humanity in one of two camps.

One side Dar es Salaam, is The House of Peace. It’s the zone where Islam rules. The other side is Dar el Harb, The House of War. It’s the war zone that is occupied by non-Muslims. Their worldview dictates that hostilities will continue between the two until the supremacy of Islam is fully established throughout the world. The history of Islam demonstrates that their common method of transforming nations from the House of War to the House of Peace is through Jihad or holy war. Once a nation is conquered, religious persecution and discrimination are utilized to wear down the population until everyone submits to Islam.

Motivations For Jihad Martyrdom

The PC assertions are that such things as poverty and ignorance are what drive homicide-bombers. That is far from the truth. Those who plan and perpetrate such atrocities are often highly educated, multilingual and skilled in various profitable vocations. Those who kill themselves in suicide missions do so for heavenly rewards. Martyrs are guaranteed instant entrance into Allah’s paradise. Their funerals are celebrated as weddings to the 72 perpetual virgins that await them along with numerous young boys and rivers of wine. To facilitate the sexual stamina required they are taught that each man will maintain a constant state of genital preparedness to equip him for spontaneous sessions of intercourse with partners of both sexes. It’s interesting to note that the things that they decry as the satanic sins of the West are the lures used to prompt suicide-martyrdom to get them into their heaven. (Quran 47:15, 52:24, 56:17, 76:19 and Al Kushk, Al-Quds Al-Arabi, London, 5/11/01)

Dignified?

It is a well-known fact that after the Israelis reclaimed Jerusalem in the Six-Day War, they were faced with an exhaustive clean-up project at the site of the remaining wall of Herod’s temple. For decades the local Muslim Arabs had used the base of the Wailing Wall as a public toilet. This defilement was nothing less than an intentional assault on the Jew’s spiritual history. The Italian journalist, Oriana Fallaci, authored a book titled, Rage and Pride. In vivid, vernacular terms she described how offended she was about immigrant Somali Muslims defiling the grounds of a cathedral in Florence, Italy. They stained the marble edifice with their urine and filled the exterior entrance to the Bishop’s Baptistery with their excrement.

Conclusion

It’s my observation that Sufi Muslims who live in Western democracies are the most predisposed to flow smoothly in multicultural societies. The problem is that Sufis are a minority in the global Muslim population. Therefore, I urge all to explore the validity of what I’ve stated by studying the books and websites of the X-Muslims and Arabic speaking authorities cited in this piece. Just type their names into your Internet search engine. I don’t think many who do so would assess Islam as a noble and peaceful religion. To the contrary, most will recognize that if Islam were extracted from the human equation the globe would be safer and fewer of its masses would be incited to ignoble escapades. The enlightened must be activated to petition their State and Federal officials to come into line with the truth and to quit spouting the PC absurdities.

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stevelundgren
#2 Posted : Wednesday, August 04, 2010 9:31:15 PM
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NON JIHADI MUSLIMS ARE KAFIRS WHO MUST BE KILLED

Quran clearly says fighting jihad is ordained for muslims.

Quran 2.216:
Fighting jihad (and killing kuffar) for Allah is ordained for you. It is in your best interest even if you hate it.


Any muslim disobeying Allah’s order of jihad is to be punished because he
is a kafir. ..

Quran 9.38:
You who believe! What is the matter with you, that when you are asked to march forth for jihad for Allah, you cling heavily to the earth?


Quran 9.39:
If you will not go forth to fight in the cause of ALLAH, you will be given a painful punishment.


It is the duty of a muslim is to kill kuffar

Quran 9.5
Kill kuffar wherever you find them.


MASHALLAH TRUE MUSLIMS OF PAKISTAN ARE CONDUCTING JIHAD ON KAFIR MUSLIMS

http://www.youtube.com/w...feature=player_embedded

IT IS A SUNNA TO KILL KAFIR MUSLIMS WHILE THEY ARE PRAYING IN MOSQUES
366 killed in 7 attacks targeting mosques in 2009, over 50 mosques destroyed in last 8 years.

Attackers claim they are following Sunna
By Amir Mir; 7 December 2009

LAHORE: Claiming responsibility for the Friday’s mosque attack, the Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) said the Parade Lane mosque was similar to Masjid-e-Zarrar that was built in Madina by the munafiqeen, and was “demolished on the orders of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH)”.

At least 366 Pakistanis have been killed while praying and 901 injured in the first 11 months of year 2009 in seven bloody incidents of terrorism across Pakistan, targeting mosques with the help of suicide bombers as well as explosive-laden vehicles.

According to the available data, over 50 mosques have been targeted since 9/11 either by the Pakistani Taliban or their like-minded jehadi groups like the Sipah-e-Sahaba Pakistan (SSP), Lashkar-e-Jhangvi (LeJ), Harkatul Jehadul Islami (HUJI), Jaish-e-Mohammad (JeM) and Jamaatul Furqaan claiming it is a sunna...

The December 4, 2009 armed attack targeting the parade ground mosque in the garrison town of Rawalpindi, which killed 44 people including 17 children, was the latest in the series. In one of the worst incidents of terrorism in recent years, a group of six fidayeen attackers belonging to the Tehrik-e-Taliban stormed the crowded Parade Land Askari Mosque close to the General Headquarters of the Pakistan Army during Friday prayers and sprayed gunfire at worshippers besides throwing hand grenades.

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#3 Posted : Saturday, August 07, 2010 10:06:06 PM
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sarge
#5 Posted : Saturday, August 07, 2010 10:09:15 PM
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More good people killed at the hands of Islamic extremist. All in the name of Islam and Mohammad. This makes me sick. Whats even more disturbing is these kinds of events happen dozens of times every day and the general consensus in America is that these kind of hate crimes against Christians only happen once in awhile. BS! I could easily post several stories like this one every day of the year and it would only be the tip of the iceberg in regards to the hatred Muslims from all over the world feel towards Christians and Americans. How many of these real life stories is never printed as news? The fact is MOST ALL attacks towards peaceful loving Christians are never reported and even the following story is full of lies. These folks weren't trying to convert anyone. They were trying to help a people who were in desperate need of medical attention. Thousands of other peaceful Christians are killed everyday just because they are Christians and still our President feels the need to tell us we need to be tolerant all the while Muslims are killing (murdering) people simply because we may not share their religious beliefs.


Afghan medical mission ends in death for 6 Americans

4 others also slain in Taliban ambush on Christian charity workers Video
Mission of mercy turns deadly for Americans

Tom Little, seen with Libby Little in this 2001 picture, was killed in a Taliban ambush in Afghanistan.

KABUL, Afghanistan — They hiked for more than 10 hours over rugged mountains — unarmed and without security — to bring medical care to isolated Afghan villagers until their humanitarian mission took a tragic turn.

Ten members of the Christian medical team — six Americans, two Afghans, one German and a Briton — were gunned down in a gruesome slaughter that the Taliban said they carried out, alleging the volunteers were spying and trying to convert Muslims to Christianity. The gunmen spared an Afghan driver, who recited verses from the Islamic holy book Quran as he begged for his life.

Team members — doctors, nurses and logistics personnel — were attacked as they were returning to Kabul after their two-week mission in the remote Parun valley of Nuristan province about 160 miles north of Kabul. They had decided to veer northward into Badakhshan province because they thought that would be the safest route back to Kabul, said Dirk Frans, director of the International Assistance Mission, which organized the team.

The bullet-riddled bodies — including three women — were found Friday near three four-wheeled drive vehicles in a wooded area just off the main road that snakes through a narrow valley in the Kuran Wa Munjan district of Badakhshan, provincial police chief Gen. Agha Noor Kemtuz told The Associated Press.

One of the dead Americans had spent about 30 years in Afghanistan, rearing three daughters and surviving both the Soviet invasion and bloody civil war of the 1990s that destroyed much of Kabul.

'Spying for Americans'

Taliban spokesman Zabiullah Mujahid told the AP that they killed the foreigners because they were "spying for the Americans" and "preaching Christianity." In a Pashto language statement acquired by the AP, the Taliban also said the team was carrying Dari language bibles and "spying gadgets."

Frans said the International Assistance Mission, or IAM, one of the longest serving non-governmental organizations operating in Afghanistan, is registered as a nonprofit Christian organization but does not proselytize.

Read the rest of the story at the link below...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38604010/ns/world_news-south_and_central_asia

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stevelundgren
#6 Posted : Saturday, August 07, 2010 11:25:31 PM
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sarge wrote:
More good people killed at the hands of Islamic extremist. All in the name of Islam and Mohammad. This makes me sick...

Me too.

Thanks for your article.

However, here is something folks need to understand about Islam.

The tendency is to see these acts as the work of extremists.
The idea that the Koran does not really teach them to do these things.
That is a misunderstanding. The Koran promotes these violent acts.
It is required of Muslims to obey the command of their superiors.

To not be personally involved and committed to the plan of Islamic world domination, is to not be truly muslim.
It's not the extremists that we need to worry about. It's your "peaceful" Muslim neighbor that gets the order to kill you.



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sarge
#7 Posted : Saturday, August 07, 2010 11:57:00 PM
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It's not the extremists that we need to worry about. It's your "peaceful" Muslim neighbor that gets the order to kill you.



No such thing as a "peaceful Muslim" in my book. Anyone who says they are Muslim and BELIEVES in the Koran, "their bible" and worships Mohammad is an extremist as far as I'm concerned. One doesn't need to commit the actual act of murder to be an extremist. The so called "peaceful Muslim neighbor" gets put on the "neighborhood watch" program lists. I am concerned where his money is going. Undoubtedly towards the spread of more hatred and intolerance and ultimately the murders of peaceful people of differing religions and beliefs than theirs.
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mistero
#8 Posted : Sunday, August 08, 2010 12:09:08 AM
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Dunno why yinz guys wonder why there aren't people beating down the door to post here.

I don't know which is worse, religion or here.
stevelundgren
#9 Posted : Sunday, August 08, 2010 7:41:11 AM
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A high percentage of muslims didn't choose Islam. They were forced into it.

Islam takes over an area politically or militarily.

The peoples are then "converted" to Islam or murdered.

Muslims consider this peaceful, because the people are given a choice.


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sarge
#10 Posted : Sunday, August 08, 2010 4:22:07 PM
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stevelundgren wrote:
A high percentage of muslims didn't choose Islam. They were forced into it.

Islam takes over an area politically or militarily.

The peoples are then "converted" to Islam or murdered.

Muslims consider this peaceful, because the people are given a choice.




Yes, I agree that is true for those overseas. My post was referring to those here in the United States whom the majority have a true choice and a say to worship as they desire. Here given a choice and the freedom to worship as one sees fit I will never understand why anyone would "choose" a religion that is so full of hatred towards other human beings.

An interesting but true story. During 9/11 I worked at the state prison with a population of about 2,000 maximum security inmates. The vast majority of inmates chose to become Muslim. I'll explain. Their choice to become Muslim was not because of a "protection issue" upon their incarceration. This particular prison was specially designed to accommodate people who were charged as adults although they were under 18 years of age. These folks (about 30% of inmates) were gang members from the larger cities, Pittsburgh, Harrisburg and Philadelphia. Many were under the age of 18 and tried as adults because their crimes were so heinous. The majority were also given "life". Life in Pa means LIFE without the possibility of parole. Being a brand new prison, all of the incarcerated had no influence to being forced into any religion for protection. All faiths were represented with their prospective pastors.

While at work early one morning I saw something I still do not fully understand. Breakfast was finished and the inmates were watching TV in the day rooms. Each block has 5 pods separating each other with large glass panes and about 70-100 inmates per pod. I was on duty when the pictures of 9-11 came over the televisions at the prison. The vast majority as I said were Muslims and the reaction was much like that of the OJ Simpson verdicts where the majority of blacks in this country celebrated OJ Simpson's innocence verdict while the majority of white citizens in this country sat quietly not believing what they were hearing even after the mountains of evidence against him.

The reactions to the planes flying into the twin towers was shocking to say the least and in many ways comparable. The Muslim inmates which was about 80% of the population and black jumped to their feet and cheered. The other 20% mostly white and Christians sat in silence infuriated and angry that anyone would attack us. The majority, young black men, average ages from 17 to 30 years of age and Muslim actually jumped for joy to see their country being attacked. What does that say about race relations in our country? What does that say about the huge gap between a religion based on hatred and another based on love and forgiveness?
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stevelundgren
#11 Posted : Sunday, August 08, 2010 7:14:04 PM
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That shows you where their allegiances are. Not much of a tipping point there.

When the order is given, they will attack us without hesitation.


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sak1
#12 Posted : Sunday, August 08, 2010 8:21:06 PM
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Hi Steve, Just wanted to say hello. How are you doing?
stevelundgren
#13 Posted : Sunday, August 08, 2010 9:20:39 PM
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Hi Steve, Just wanted to say hello. How are you doing?

Hello Susan.

I'm fine. How are you?

Thanks for stopping by. LOL



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sak1
#14 Posted : Sunday, August 08, 2010 9:23:36 PM
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Doing good Steve thanks for asking. How is the wife?
stevelundgren
#15 Posted : Sunday, August 08, 2010 10:05:45 PM
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Doing good Steve thanks for asking. How is the wife?

The "wife" is good.
We got to spend some quality time together this weekend.
I like to tag along on errand runs just so we can be together.

How's your husband?

Have you folks had a hot Summer? It's been hot up north.
I can't imagine how hot it may have been for you folks down south.
Sarge was saying it was beastly hot in the east.


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stevelundgren
#16 Posted : Sunday, August 08, 2010 10:26:30 PM
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American Muslims and the Question of Loyalty

By Abdullah Al Araby

Today is the fifth of November, 2009, and the hot news that is circulating the American and international media comes from Texas. An American officer of Palestinian Islamic heritage opened fire on his American officers’ colleagues in Ft. Hood, killing at least thirteen and injuring thirty while he was crying “Allaho Akbar” (God is great). A guard at the camp shot him four times to stop him; otherwise the causalities could have been greater.

The details are still coming out but from what we know so far, the name of the attacker is Major Nidal Malik Hasan; he works as a psychiatrist in the armed forces. He volunteered to join the military and was educated at the expense of the American military until finishing medical school and specializing in psychiatry. As for the motive behind the crime, it is believed to being upset after receiving orders to get prepared to go to Afghanistan to join the American forces already there fighting Al Qaeda and Taliban.

This is not the first time when an American Muslim soldier turns his gun towards his mates. There is a long list of similar incidents. As an example, on March 23, 2003, Hassan Akbar killed two of his colleagues: Captain Christopher Seifert and Major Gregory Stone, and 14 other soldiers while they were fighting in Iraq.

This is not a justification to make a blanket statement condemning all American Muslims as being disloyal to America. The United States is home to an estimated three to six million Muslims. Many of them immigrated to the United States fleeing persecution in their Muslim mother countries. The United States accepted them and offered them a safe haven. There is no doubt that the majority of American Muslims is peaceful, productive and law abiding citizens. They pay their taxes and do their fair share in contributing to the prosperity of this country.

But these repeated incidents of betrayal within the military, in addition to other terrorist attacks committed by Muslims, and the attacks that were foiled by our home security forces, as well as the possibility of more acts committed by sleeping cells; all these force Americans to explore the roots behind it. Certainly, there must be a religious ideology that pushes these Muslim fundamentalist zealous to act against the very country that hosted them and extended to them a helping hand.

For sure, those who adopt this line of thinking believe that they owe a loyalty only to Islam. Being loyal to the country that they hold its citizenship carries no weight at all to them. America to them is an infidel country with a majority of non-Muslims population, mostly Christians and Jews. Also, America to them is the country that is currently engaged in fighting Muslim countries in Iraq and Afghanistan. Muslim principals oblige Muslims not to kill another Muslim under any circumstances. In addition, Islam orders Muslims to support their Muslim brothers whether justly or otherwise. Nidal, himself, was quoted as saying that he is a Muslim first and an American second. From the testimony of Imams in the mosques that he frequented, all of them say that he was a good Muslim. Perhaps he was too good of a Muslim to be a good American soldier, as his religion dictates...

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Walid Shoebat, a Christian converted from Islam, who was once a member of Al Fateh Palestinian terrorist group summed it all when he said, “America needs to be awakened from its sleep and its unwillingness to face the issues of fundamentalist Islam in our midst which is the cause of the tragedy at Ft. Hood.” He added, “Some very serious decisions need to be made when it comes to having Muslims protecting our country, as it is impossible to know whether they maybe honorable or foxes in the hen house.”

The bottom line, since you can not differentiate between who is a fundamentalist Muslim and who is not, America has no choice but; ban all Muslims from its military.

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sak1
#17 Posted : Monday, August 09, 2010 4:29:24 AM
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I am glad your wife is fine and you got to spend time together.
My husband is okay he has to work out in this heat. It has been
with the heat index up to 110. It's been hot down here. I try
not to go out in it if i can.
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