I don't believe you can really believe in him if you don't follow his example. I believe you have to convert to be a child of God.

What don't you understand about become children of God. You aren't automatically a child of God. You have to BECOME a child of God. CONVERT!

1JO 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is begotten of God: and whosoever loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
1JO 5:2 Hereby we know that we love the CHILDREN OF GOD, when we love God and do his COMMANDMENTS.
1JO 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

How does 1Jn. 5: 1-3 in any way claim that it is only applying to Jews?

So is your claim that since Christ worked with the Israelite people and Jews mainly. That they are the only people with hope for the future?

Don't you agree that the Bible was written for all of mankind as a whole That God the Father and Jesus Christ do not differentiate between races?

Acts 10:34 God is not a respecter of persons.

So we can know that we love God when we keep his commandments and by this we can know we are God's children.

We are not saved by commandment keeping. We cannot do it perfectly. We are sinners. That is what Christ's sacrifice came to take away- the penalty of sin.(breaking the commandments)the difinition of sin in the bible is the transgression of the law. When we break the commandments as we all do we have christ's blood to attone for our sin

We have to do something though! this is not a free ride!! When we fail to keep the commandments we have to repent of breaking them and we have to continue to strive to overcome and keep them the best we can.

No we are not on a free ride here. We are not free to just willfully sin and expect that Christ's shed blood will do it all. Christ gave us the Ten Commandments to define sin. It is black and white. So there are no gray areas.

So many churches disagreeing because they don't let the bible define what sin is and what the faith once and for all delivered to the saints is! Jude 3


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I can see this is going to take a lengthy explanation of this passage. As it is clear you are not understanding it.

You say the commandments are not mentioned in the New Testament. Hmmm... not all together. But does that mean they are not their and do not apply?

Col 2:13-14, in which Paul states, "And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross".

Were the ten commandments the "requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us"? Let us examine the scriptures to see.

Commandment 1: Paul said, "God, who made the world and everything in it...they should seek the Lord" (Acts 17:24,27).

Paul also said, "I worship the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the Law" (Acts 24:14).

"And what agreement has the temple of God have with idols?" (II Cor 6:16).

"you turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God" (I The 1:9).

"Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God" (2 The 2:3-4).

Commandment 2: "we write to them to abstain from things polluted by idols" (Acts 15:20).

"Now while Paul waited for them in Athens, his spirit was provoked within him when he saw that the city was given over to idols...Then Paul stood in the midst of the Areopagus and said...'God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands. Nor is He worshipped with men's hands, as though He needed anything'" (Acts 17:16,22,24-25).

"Professing to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man--and birds and four footed animals and creeping things" (Rom 1:22-23).

"But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is...an idolater" (I Cor 5:11).

Neither... idolators...will inherit the kingdom of God" (I Cor 6:9-10).

"And do not become idolaters as were some of them...

Therefore, my beloved, flee from idolatry" (I Cor 10:7,14).

"And what agreement has the temple of God have with idols?" (II Cor 6:16).

"Now the works of the flesh are evident...idolatry" (Gal 5:19,20).

"For this you know that no...idolater, has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God" (Eph 5:5).

"Therefore put to death...covetousness, which is idolatry" (Col 3:5).

"you turned to God from idols" (I The 1:9).

Commandment 3: "they are all under sin...Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness" (Rom 3:9,14).

"Let all...evil speaking be put away from you" (Eph 4:31).

But now you yourselves are to put off all these:...blasphemy, filthy language out of your mouth" (Col 3:8).

"they may learn not to blaspheme" (I Tim 1:20).

But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: For men will be...blasphemers" (II Tim 3:1,2).

Commandment 4: "Then Paul, as his custom was, went in to them and for three Sabbaths reasoned with them from the Scriptures...And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks" (Acts 17:2;18:4 see also 13:14,27,42,44).

"let him labor, working with his hands what is good, that he may have something to give to him who has need" (Eph 4:28) and

"For even when we were with you, we commanded you this: 'If anyone will not work, neither shall he eat'" (II Thes 3:10); (recall that the requirement to work is also part of the Sabbath command, thus even that portion of the commandment is repeated in the New Testament.)

"And to whom did He swear they would not enter His rest, but to those who did not obey?" (Heb 3:18).

"For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: 'And God rested on the seventh day from all His works'" (Heb 4:4).

"There remains therefore a rest (literally sabbatismos, 'Sabbath rest' for the people of God.

For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His" (Heb 4:9-10).

Commandment 5: "being filled with all unrighteousness...disobediant to parents" (Rom 1:29,30).

"Children obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right. 'Honor your father and mother', which is the first commandment with promise: that it may be well with you and you may live long on the earth" (Eph 6:1-3).

"the wrath of God is coming upon the sons of disobedience" (Col 3:6).

"Children obey your parents in all things, for this is well pleasing to the Lord" (Col 3:20).

"But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: For men will be...disobediant to parents" (II Tim 3:1,2).

Commandment 6: "being filled with all unrighteousness...murder" (Rom 1:29). "You shall not murder"

(Rom 13:9). "Now the works of the flesh are evident...murders" (Gal 5:19,21). "the lawless and insubordinate...murders...manslayers" (I Tim 1:9).

Commandment 7: "being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality" (Rom 1:29).

"So then if, while her husband lives, she marries another man, she will be called an adulteress" (Rom 7:3).

"You shall not commit adultery" (Rom 13:9).

"But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral" (I Cor 5:11).

"Neither... adulterers, nor homosexuals...will inherit the kingdom of God" (I Cor 6:9-10).

"Nor let us commit sexual immorality as some of them did" (I Cor 10:8).

"Now the works of the flesh are evident...adultery, fornication" (Gal 5:19).

For this you know that no fornicator...has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God" (Eph 5:5).

"the lawless and insubordinate...fornicators...sodomites" (I Tim 1:9,10).

"fornicators and adulterers God will judge" (Heb 13:4).

Commandment 8: "You shall not steal" (Rom 13:9).

"nor thieves...will inherit the kingdom of God" (I Cor 6:10).

"I have been...in perils of robbers" (II Cor 11:25-26). "Let him who stole, steal no longer" (Eph 4:28).

Commandment 9: "You shall not bear false witness" (Rom 13:9).

"Therefore, putting away lying" (Eph 4:25).

"Do not lie to one another" (Col 3:9).

"the lawless and insubordinate...liars...perjurers" (I Tim 1:9,10).

"Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, speaking lies in hypocrisy"

(I Tim 4:1-2). "But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: For men will be...slanderers" (II Tim 3:1,3). "God, who cannot lie" (Ti 1:2). "it is impossible for God to lie" (Heb 6:18).

Commandment 10: "being filled with all unrighteousness...covetousness" (Rom 1:29)."You shall not covet" (Rom 7:7).

"You shall not covet" (Rom 13:9).

"But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is...covetous" (I Cor 5:11).

"nor covetous...will inherit the kingdom of God" (I Cor 6:10).

"we should not lust after evil things as they also lusted" (I Cor 10:6). "you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh" (Gal 5:16).

"For this you know that no fornicator...nor covetous man, who is an idolater, has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God" (Eph 5:5).

"Therefore put to death...covetousness, which is idolatry" (Col 3:5).

"For neither at any time did we use flattering words, as you know, nor a cloak for covetousness" (I The 2:5).

"Let your conduct be without covetousness; be content with such things as you have" (Heb 13:5).

"Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city" (Rev 22:14).

Since "those who do His commandments...have the right to enter...the city" (Rev 22:14), the ten commandments could not be "contrary to us".

So then, if the ten commandments were not "nailed to the cross", what was?

What does the Bible say? "having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross" (Col 2:14). It was the handwriting of requirements. Which requirements were wiped out? It appears that two things were wiped out. One would be the requirements of the Levitical priesthood (Heb 9:1,6-10). And why? "For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins...By that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus once for all" (Heb 10:4,10).

The other (which is related) would be the death penalty, as "the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord" (Rom 6:23).

It is of interest to note that the expression "the handwriting of requirements" is a Greek legal term that signifies the penalty which a lawbreaker had to pay--through Jesus the penalty was wiped out ("the handwriting of requirements", not the law!

"This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the LORD: I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them" (Heb 10:16).

In the New King James Bible, Colossians 2:16–17 reads as follows: 'So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival [margin: 'feast day'] or a new moon or Sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ'...

"Let’s first look at the phrase, 'the substance is of Christ.' The word 'is' is not in the Greek.

It was added by the translator in an attempt to make the meaning clearer; however, this addition has, to the contrary, confused and perverted the meaning.

Without the word 'is' in that particular phrase, it simply states, '…but the substance of Christ.' What is the substance of Christ?...

"The literal meaning for the word 'substance' is 'body.' The Greek word here is 'soma' and is otherwise translated as 'body' throughout the New Testament, and especially in the letter to the Colossians...

With that understanding, let us turn again to Colossians 2:16–17, where Paul says: 'Let no one judge you… regarding a festival or Sabbaths… but the body of Christ.' In other words, let no one, except the body of Christ—the Church—judge in those matters. The Church—the body of Christ—the preserver of the truth—CAN, and should, judge in that regard.
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The Colossians were criticized by their opponents, not by Paul, when they kept the Sabbath and the Holy Days (Note that Paul refers to 'Sabbaths'; that is, to both the weekly and the annual Sabbath or Holy Days.) Paul is essentially saying to them: I am speaking on behalf of the Church when I tell you that you should continue keeping the Sabbath and the Holy Days, as this is what the Church has judged and resolved to do, based on the Scriptures.

"Colossae was a predominately Gentile city, although some Jews undoubtedly lived there as well. The Christian converts in Colossae had begun to keep the weekly Sabbath and the annual Holy Days, and Paul essentially told them: 'Don’t listen to your former friends and your relatives who try to convince you not to keep those "Jewish traditions"—but rather, listen to what the Church is telling you'...

"What did Paul mean when he described these things as being a shadow of things to come?

The weekly Sabbath and the annual Holy Days have tremendous meaning for us today. They foreshadow events to occur in the future at a time when the whole world will be ruled by Christ and taught by Him to keep God’s Law—including the weekly and annual Sabbaths—as God’s people already do today.

"Rather than doing away with the keeping of the Sabbath and Holy Days, Colossians 2:16–17 teaches the exact opposite. It teaches us not to worry about people who say that we should not do so, but rather to concern ourselves with the truth of the matter, which is being taught by Christ’s Body—the Church...

"Some tried to convince the Gentile Christians in Colossae to cease from keeping the weekly and annual Sabbaths. Others went to the opposite extreme—they tried to convince the Gentile Christians in Colossae that they had to fast on the weekly and annual Sabbaths.

"Since both the weekly Sabbath and the annual Holy Days are Feast days, the Christians in Colossae kept them, of course, as FEAST days. They would eat and drink on those days (except, of course, during the 'Fast'—on the Day of Atonement). Some, though, apparently criticized them for that, teaching that no eating and drinking should take place on any of those days.

"Colossians 2:16, correctly translated from the Greek, states: 'Let no one judge you regarding eating and drinking.' Paul is addressing here the ACT of eating and drinking, not the KIND of food and drink being partaken of. Some critics felt, however, that Christians should fast on those days, rather than eating or drinking anything. Notice Paul’s reference to this kind of self-imposed ascetic, or austere, religion in Colossians 2:20–23 ('…why… do you subject yourselves to regulations—"Do not touch, do not taste, do not handle," which all concern things which perish with the using—according to the commandments and doctrines of men?'.

"Paul told the Colossians to continue keeping the Sabbath and the Holy Days in the same way as they were doing it, rather than listening to those who were trying to tell them not to do it at all, or not to keep them as feast

"If you have a New King James Bible, you might want to check the margin. It says there that the literal meaning for the word 'substance' is 'body.' That is correct. The Greek word here is 'soma,' and it is otherwise translated as 'body' throughout the New Testament.

"Limiting this discussion just to the letter to the Colossians, the New King James Bible has translated the word 'soma' consistently as 'body.' Only here, in Colossians 2:17, it is translated as 'substance.' Why? Simply because the translators did not, and do not, understand the meaning of the passage.

"Notice it for yourself. Notice, too, what is being referred to when the phrase 'body of Christ' is used elsewhere in the following passages:

"Colossians 1:18: 'And He is the head of the body ['soma' in Greek], the church.' Christ is identified here as the Head of the body, which is the Church.

"Colossians 1:24: 'I now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up in my flesh what is lacking in the afflictions of Christ, for the sake of His body ['soma' in the Greek], which is the church.' Again, we see that the body of Christ is identified here as His Church.

"Colossians 2:19: '… and not holding fast to the Head, from whom all the body ['soma'], nourished and knit together by joints and ligaments, grows with the increase that is from God.' Again, the reference is to the spiritual body of Christ, the Church.

"Finally, let’s notice Colossians 3:15: 'And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to which also you were called in one body ['soma'].' We all belong to that one body—the Church, of which Christ is the Head.

"These Scriptures clearly show that the references in that letter to the body of Christ is to the Church of Christ. With that understanding, let us turn again to Colossians 2:16–17, where Paul says: 'Let no one judge you… regarding a festival or Sabbaths… but the body of Christ.' In other words, let no one, except the body of Christ—the Church—judge in those matters. The Church, the body of Christ, the preserver of the truth, can and should judge in that regard...

There is so much more on this subject... but I know some here don't like lengthy posts. So I will refrain for now.

Good night all