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stevelundgren
#19281 Posted : Saturday, February 04, 2012 6:09:23 PM
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TerryD wrote:
Is a written copy of what was originally said a copy? ...

Terry, Terry, Terry...

In the study of ancient manuscripts the term "copy" means just that.
A "copyist" (scribe) would hand letter a duplicate of an existing manuscript to make a copy of it.
This was their method of duplication before the invention of the printing press.

Any modern analogies using the word "copy" do not apply.

Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? - Galatians 4:16
Intangible
#19282 Posted : Sunday, February 05, 2012 1:01:59 AM
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stevelundgren wrote:
TerryD wrote:
They do not have original copies of the Didache or John's writings. John and the disciples were Hebrew. It reasons that they didn't do their writings in Greek.

Terry, Terry, Terry...
Stop speculating about what language the Didache was written in until you have some REAL evidence.

Was any of the new testament written in Hebrew?
Were the gospels written in Hebrew? The Epistles? Revelation?

They were written by the Apostles.
So by your reasoning, all in Hebrew. Right?

A copy is exactly that. A copy. A duplicate of the original.
Manuscript copies were copies of the original manuscript.

Stop this nonsense now. Please.


(You are embarrassing yourself.)







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Jesus the Messiah spoke in the Galilean dialect of the Ancient Aramaic language. This is the language in which the disciples and the apostles preached the Gospel and the scribes recorded the Scriptures. The New Testament has been preserved in this sacred, scribal language since the Apostolic Age. The whole Bible was originated in this language. The translation that you will find on this website is made from the original Ancient Aramaic Scriptures directly into English, bypassing the errors of the Greek Original, the Latin Vulgate and all the Western translations made from them. This is an attempt to rekindle the faith in Eashoa Msheekhah (Jesus the Messiah) according to His teachings.

Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
paulwhut
#19283 Posted : Sunday, February 05, 2012 5:36:15 AM
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Good Morning, today is Sunday, the First Day of the Week towards the sabbath....the RCC/Protestant daughters holy day........Satans’ counterfeit day of rest and worship.

If you do not understand death, what happens when you die, then you are setting your self up for a grand deception. You are opening wide the door to demonic influences. Mom and dad coming back to visit you, hearing voices, giving credence to witches and palm readers..........and evolutionists.

King Saul knew he wasn’t to visit the Witch of Endor, That wasn’t Samuel who spoke to him. The Bible says that witches and those who have a familiar spirit should be stoned and there is the same caution today, avoid these people.

Satan works through all mediums, from the Professor in college to the Atheist through the person next to you who has you by the hand.

Once you ignore the plain Bible statements you are opening pandoras’ box. Is 8:20
Look up the words dead, death, sleep and see what the Book is saying to you.


Section 11

Life Only In Christ

Chapter 110.

What is Man?

1. IN what condition was man created?
"Thou madest him a little lower than the angels." Ps. 8:5.

2. What will be the final condition of the righteous?
"Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection." Luke 20:35,36.

3. What are angels called?
"And of the angels He saith, Who maketh His angels spirits, and His ministers a flame of fire." Heb. 1:7.

4. What is the difference between the two Adams?
"The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit." 1 Cor. 15:45.

5. Are our present bodies natural or spiritual?
"Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual." Verse 46.

6. When will the righteous have spiritual bodies?
"It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body." Verse 44.

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7. To what does the sowing here spoken of refer?
"That which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die." Verse 36.

NOTE.-Man does not now possess the undying, spiritual nature of the angels, except as he holds it by faith in Christ; nor will he until the resurrection. Then, if righteous, he will be made immortal, and he cannot die any more (Luke 20:36), because he will be "equal unto the angels."

8. How is man's nature defined?
"Shall mortal man be more just than God?" Job 4:17. Mortal: "Subject to death."-Webster.

9. What is God's nature?
"Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen." 1 Tim. 1:17.
Immortal: "Exempt from liability to die."-Webster.

10. Of what was man formed in the beginning?
"And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground." Gen. 2:7, first part.

11. What act made him a living soul?
"And [God] breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." Same verse, last part.

NOTES.-The living soul was not put into the man; but the breath of life which was put into man, made him- the man, made of the earth- a living soul, or creature.
The original for "living soul" in this text is nephesh chaiyah. On the use of this expression in Gen. 1:24, translated "living creature," Dr. Adam Clarke says: "A general term to express all creatures endued with animal life, in any of its infinitely varied gradations, from the half-reasoning elephant down to the stupid potto, or lower still, to the polyp, which seems equally to share the vegetable and animal life.

12. Are other creatures besides man called "living souls"?
"And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea;
and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea." Rev. 16:3. See also Gen. 1:30, margin.

13. Do others besides man have the "breath of life"?
"And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man: all in whose nostrils was the breath of life." Gen. 7:21,22.

14. Is their breath the same as man's?
"As the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity." Eccl. 3:19.

NOTE.-That is, here men, as well as beasts, die. This present life, with them, as with the rest of the animal creation, is dependent upon their breath. When this is gone, they, the same as beasts, die. In this respect they have no preeminence over beasts. But men have a future unending life held out before them, and may, if they will, die in hope of eternal life, which is a very great preeminence over the rest of the animal creation.

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15. What does Job call that which God breathed into man's nostrils?
"All the while my breath is in me, and the spirit of God is in my nostrils." Job 27:3.

16. When man gives up this spirit, what becomes of it?
"Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it." Eccl. 12:7.

NOTE.-That is, the spirit of life by which man lives, and which is only lent him of God, at death goes back to the great Author of life. Having come from Him, it belongs to God, and man can have it eternally only as a gift from God, through Jesus Christ. Rom. 6:23. When the spirit goes back to God, the dust, from which man was made a "living soul" in the beginning, goes back as it was, to the earth, and the individual no longer exists as a living, conscious, thinking being, except as he exists in the mind, plan, and purpose of God through Christ and the resurrection. In this sense "all live unto Him" (Luke 20:38), for all are to be raised from the dead. See John 5:28,29; Acts 24:15; Rom. 4:17.

17. Who only have hold of the life eternal?
"He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life." 1 John 5:12.

NOTE.-The veriest sinner has this temporal life; but when he yields up this life, he has no prospect nor promise of the life eternal, That can be received only through Christ.

18. Why was Adam driven from the garden of Eden and, excluded from the tree of life?
"And now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever." Gen. 3:22.

19. What was done to keep man away from the tree of life?
"So He drove out the man; and He placed at the east of the garden of Eden cherubim, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life." Verse 24.

20. How are all men in the natural state regarded?
"We all . . . were by nature the children of wrath, even as others." Eph. 2:3.

21. If the wrath of God abides on a person, of what does it deprive him?
"He that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him." John 3:36.

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22. Through whom is the sinner saved from wrath?
"Much more then, being now justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him." Rom. 5:9.

23. With whom is the Christian's future life hid?
"For ye are dead [to sin], and your life is hid with Christ in God." Col. 3:3.

24. When will this life be bestowed upon the believer?
"When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with Him in glory." Verse 4.

NOTE.-The word immortal occurs but once in the English Bible (1 Tim. 1:17), and is there applied to God.

25. Who only possesses inherent immortality?
"Who is the blessed and only potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; who only hath immortality." 1 Tim. 6:15,16.

NOTE.-God is the only Being who possesses original life or immortality in Himself. All others must receive it from God. See John 5:26; 6:27; 10:10,27,28; Rom. 6:23; 1 John 5:11.

26. Through whom has immortality been brought to light?
"But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel." 2 Tim. 1:10.

27. To whom is eternal life promised?
"To them who by patient continuance in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life." Rom. 2:7.

NOTE.-One does not need to seek for a thing which he already possesses. The fact that we are to seek for immortality is proof in itself that we do not now possess it.

28. When will the faithful be changed to immortality? "Behold, I show you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed." 1 Cor. 15:51,52.

29. What is then to be swallowed up?
"So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory." Verse 54. See verse 57.





Sunday, February 5
The Law at Sinai

Read Exodus 19:18, 19; 20:18; Deuteronomy 5:22; and Hebrews 12:21, descriptions of the giving of the Law at Mount Sinai. Why would it be something so terrifying?
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“The people of Israel were overwhelmed with terror. The awful power of God’s utterances seemed more than their trembling hearts could bear. For as God’s great rule of right was presented before them, they realized as never before the offensive character of sin, and their own guilt in the sight of a holy God. They shrank away from the mountain in fear and awe.”—Ellen G. White, Patriarchs and Prophets, pp. 309, 310.

There’s something so powerful in the Ellen White quote above. As the law is presented to them, the people realize “as never before” just how bad sin is and their own guilt in the eyes of God.

So, right from the beginning of Israel’s covenantal relationship with God, we can see a revelation of the gospel in the law. The law was never meant to be a means of salvation, even at Sinai; rather, it was to show the people their need of salvation. It was right after the giving of the law that they were given instructions to build the sanctuary, which revealed to them the plan of salvation. The law was to point people to the Cross, to their need of atonement and Redemption. No wonder, then, that they trembled before the law, because the law showed them just how sinful and fallen they were.

Read Romans 7:8–13. How do these verses reveal this crucial truth? What is Paul saying that the law does? (See also Ps. 119:6.)
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In a sense, Paul is saying here what Ellen White said happened at Sinai. The problem is not with God’s law; the problem is with sinners who have violated the law, as we all have done. Paul is showing how the law is inseparably tied to the gospel, that it is the law that shows us just how sinful and fallen we are.

Read Exodus 20:1–17. Do you find yourself trembling before the law? Do you find yourself convicted by it? What are your emotions as you read the law and compare yourself with it?

Rivers of waters run down mine eyes, because they keep not thy law.
Ps 119:136
stevelundgren
#19284 Posted : Sunday, February 05, 2012 6:33:26 AM
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paulwhut wrote:
... If you do not understand death, what happens when you die, then you are setting your self up for a grand deception. You are opening wide the door to demonic influences. Mom and dad coming back to visit you, hearing voices, giving credence to witches and palm readers..........and evolutionists.

King Saul knew he wasn’t to visit the Witch of Endor, That wasn’t Samuel who spoke to him. The Bible says that witches and those who have a familiar spirit should be stoned and there is the same caution today, avoid these people.

Satan works through all mediums, from the Professor in college to the Atheist through the person next to you who has you by the hand.

Once you ignore the plain Bible statements you are opening pandoras’ box. Is 8:20
Look up the words dead, death, sleep and see what the Book is saying to you...




Ellen White Talks with her Dead Husband!

Seventh-day Adventists are very comfortable in the false belief that
their "prophet," Ellen G. White received direction from God through dreams and visions.
But when Seventh-day Adventists are informed that their prophet spoke with the dead
and received guidance from her dead husband in one of her dreams (necromancy),
they quickly shut their ears and loudly deny the truth!

But the problem for Seventh-day Adventists is that Ellen White was a prolific writer,
and she wrote out her dream in a letter she sent to her son W. C. White.
Let’s consider what she wrote...

More at Source

Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? - Galatians 4:16
Intangible
#19285 Posted : Sunday, February 05, 2012 9:03:11 PM
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Romans 3

New International Version (NIV)

God’s Faithfulness

1 What advantage, then, is there in being a Jew, or what value is there in circumcision? 2 Much in every way! First of all, the Jews have been entrusted with the very words of God.

3 What if some were unfaithful? Will their unfaithfulness nullify God’s faithfulness? 4 Not at all! Let God be true, and every human being a liar. As it is written:

“So that you may be proved right when you speak
and prevail when you judge.”

5 But if our unrighteousness brings out God’s righteousness more clearly, what shall we say? That God is unjust in bringing his wrath on us? (I am using a human argument.) 6 Certainly not! If that were so, how could God judge the world? 7 Someone might argue, “If my falsehood enhances God’s truthfulness and so increases his glory, why am I still condemned as a sinner?” 8 Why not say—as some slanderously claim that we say—“Let us do evil that good may result”? Their condemnation is just!
Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
TerryD
#19286 Posted : Sunday, February 05, 2012 11:17:05 PM
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stevelundgren wrote:
paulwhut wrote:
... If you do not understand death, what happens when you die, then you are setting your self up for a grand deception. You are opening wide the door to demonic influences. Mom and dad coming back to visit you, hearing voices, giving credence to witches and palm readers..........and evolutionists.

King Saul knew he wasn’t to visit the Witch of Endor, That wasn’t Samuel who spoke to him. The Bible says that witches and those who have a familiar spirit should be stoned and there is the same caution today, avoid these people.

Satan works through all mediums, from the Professor in college to the Atheist through the person next to you who has you by the hand.

Once you ignore the plain Bible statements you are opening pandoras’ box. Is 8:20
Look up the words dead, death, sleep and see what the Book is saying to you...




Ellen White Talks with her Dead Husband!

Seventh-day Adventists are very comfortable in the false belief that
their "prophet," Ellen G. White received direction from God through dreams and visions.
But when Seventh-day Adventists are informed that their prophet spoke with the dead
and received guidance from her dead husband in one of her dreams (necromancy),
they quickly shut their ears and loudly deny the truth!

But the problem for Seventh-day Adventists is that Ellen White was a prolific writer,
and she wrote out her dream in a letter she sent to her son W. C. White.
Let’s consider what she wrote...

More at Source



"If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book." Revelation 22:18-19
"If a man loses pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music in which he hears, however measured, or far away.” Henry David Thoreau
paulwhut
#19287 Posted : Monday, February 06, 2012 5:44:42 AM
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Good Morning. Today is Monday, the Second Day of the Week towards the sabbath......a working day.

Another grand deception is that we can eat and drink anything we wish to, that all is fine to enter the mouth.......this is not good thinking. Modern teachers of health and diet are coming to grips with the dairy and food industry. That milk for instance is not the body friend that is commonly taught. Milk (and eggs) are "starter" foods and meant by their creator to begin life......once life is in motion , then there comes a time when we are "weaned".....and then we eat normal foods.

These starter foods continue to be consumed and this has been shown to be a cause of obesity and cancer. Face it, normal cells receiving starter foods are being caused to grow more and act in ways that are not normal. Boys and girls progressing abnormally fast and nowadays it isn't uncommon for heart problems to be found in the young.

Clean and unclean meats are ignored as well. Leviticus 11 gives the outline of what to eat. Cloven at the hoof and cheweth the cud is the rule of thumb for flesh food. Seafood is to be with fins and scales.....no exceptions. In Is 65 and 66 there are remarks as to how the Lord feels about the pig........not good.....a few years ago one nutritionist said bacon wasn't technically a "meat" anymore. It didn't belong to any food group at all. It was a salty, nitrate-ridden, fat-laden carcinogenic thing.


Of course alcohol and tobacco and caffein and such are not acceptable either......our bodies are temples of the Holy Ghost and we are charged to treat them accordingly. Our society is reaping what we have sowed and it is time to "pay the piper". Our medical offices are crowded and there is a shortage of Doctors.

Satan and his demons are gleeful.....look at the carnage all around.


Romans 12:
1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.



Section 17

Health and Temperance

Chapter 187.

Christian Temperance

1. CONCERNING what did Paul reason before Felix?
"He reasoned of righteousness, temperance, and judgment to come." Acts 24:25.

NOTE.-Temperance means habitual moderation and control in the indulgence of the appetites and passions; in other words, self-control.

2. Of what is temperance a fruit?
"But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, long-suffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance." Gal. 5:22,23.

NOTE.-"Temperance puts wood on the fire, meal in the barrel, flour in the tub, money in the purse, credit in the country, contentment in the house, clothes on the back, and vigor in the body."- Benjamin Franklin.

3. Where in Christian growth and experience is temperance placed by the apostle Peter?
"Add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; and to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; and to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity." 2 Peter 1:5-7. See Chapter 118 Growth in Grace.

NOTE.-Temperance is rightly placed here as to order. Knowledge is a prerequisite to temperance, and temperance to patience. It is very difficult for an intemperate person to be patient.

4. What is said of those who strive for the mastery?
"And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things." 1 Cor. 9:25.

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5. In running the Christian race, what did Paul say he did?
"But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway." Verse 27.

6. Why are kings and rulers admonished to be temperate?
"It is not for kings to drink wine; nor for princes strong drink: lest they drink, and forget the law, and pervert the judgment of any of the afflicted." Prov. 31:4,5.

7. Why were priests forbidden to use intoxicating drink while engaged in the sanctuary service?
"And the Lord spake unto Aaron, saying, Do not drink wine nor strong drink, thou, nor thy sons with thee, when ye go into the tabernacle: . . . that ye may put difference between holy and unholy, and between unclean and clean." Lev. 10:8-10.

8. Why is indulgence in strong drink dangerous?
"And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit." Eph. 5:18.

NOTE.-The danger in the indulgence of stimulating foods and drinks is that they create an unnatural appetite and thirst, thus leading to excess. Both food and drink should be nourishing and non-stimulating.

9. For what should men eat and drink?
"Blessed art thou, O land, when thy king is the son of nobles, and thy princes eat in due season, for strength, and not for drunkenness! " Eccl. 10:17.

10. Why did Daniel refuse the food and wine of the king?
"But Daniel purposed in his heart that he would not defile himself with the portion of the king's meat, nor with the wine which he drank." Dan. 1:8. See Judges 13:4.

11. Instead of these, what did he request?
"Prove thy servants, I beseech thee, ten days; and let them give us pulse to eat, and water to drink." Verse 12.

12. At the end of the ten days' test, how did he and his companions appear?
"And at the end of ten days their countenances appeared fairer and fatter in flesh than all the children which did eat the portion of the king's meat." Verse 15.

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13. At the end of their three years' course in the school of Babylon, how did the wisdom of Daniel and his companions compare with that of others?
"Now at the end of the days . . . the king communed with them; and among them all was found none like Daniel, Hananiah, Mishael, and Azariah: . . . and in all matters of wisdom and understanding, that the king inquired of them, he found them ten times better than all the magicians and astrologers that were in all his realm." Verses 18-20.

14. What warning is given against leading others into intemperance?
"Woe unto him that giveth his neighbor drink, that puttest thy bottle to him, and makest him drunken." Hab. 2:15.

15. What kind of professed Christians are not fellowshipped?
"But now I have written unto you not to keep company,
if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard." 1 Cor. 5:11.

16. Can drunkards enter the kingdom of God?
"Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, . . . nor thieves,
nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God." 1 Cor. 6:9,10. See Rev. 21:27.

17. For what perfection of character did the apostle pray?
"And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ." 1 Thess. 5:23.

NOTE.-For notable examples of total abstinence in the Bible, see the wife of Manoah, the mother of Samson (Judges 13:4, 12-14); Hannah, the mother of Samuel (1 Sam. 1:15); the Rechabites (Jer. 35:1-10); and John the Baptist (Luke 1:13-15).

SONG OF THE RYE
I WAS made to be eaten,
And not to be drank;
To be threshed in the barn,
Not soaked in a tank.
I come as a blessing
When put through a mill;
As a blight and a curse
When run through a still.

Make me up into loaves,
And your children are fed;
But if into drink,
I'll starve them instead.
In bread I'm a servant,
The eater shall rule;
In drink I am master,
The drinker a fool.





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Monday, February 6
The Law Before Sinai

As soon as we talk about the law, the Ten Commandments, and Sinai, we hear the refrain that the Ten Commandments were first given to the Jews at Sinai; hence, the commandments are a Jewish or an Old Testament institution and not applicable to our day and time.

Of course, numerous problems exist with that theology, the biggest being that if this were true, then how could there have been sin before Sinai, “for sin is the transgression of the law” (1 John 3:4)? The truth is that the book of Genesis yields an amazing witness to the existence of God’s law long before Sinai.

Genesis 1 and 2 describe God’s perfect Creation. Genesis 3 records the fall of Adam and Eve. In the next chapter, Genesis 4, we have the first murder. How did Cain know he was guilty for murdering his brother if there were no law to define murder as sin?
Long before Sinai, God specifically denounced murder in the cov- enant He established with Noah after the Flood (Gen. 9:6).
In the oldest book in the Bible, the book of Job, we find God com- mending Job’s righteousness two times. What does He declare of Job’s character? (Job 1:8, 2:3). Obviously, a standard of right and wrong is operating. Job lived long before the Exodus, and he wasn’t even of the covenant line.

Read Job 24:14, 15. How do these verses help us to understand what the standard of right and wrong included?

When Abraham lied about Sarah to Abimelech, God rebuked Abraham for his falsehood. And even though Abimelech was king of Gerar and not of Israelite stock, God held him to the same standard of marital purity found in the Decalogue and demanded that Sarah be returned to Abraham (see Gen. 20:9).

What pointed testimony about Abraham does God give to Isaac about his father? Gen. 26:4, 5.

What’s fascinating about Genesis 26:5 is that the Hebrew uses four different words, mshmrt, mzvot, huqot, and torot (from Torah, “the law”) to describe what Abraham obeyed. Certainly among all these were the Ten Commandments.

When Jacob, at God’s bidding, was returning to Bethel to build an altar to the Lord, he felt the need for revival in his household. What did he request his household to do? (See Gen. 35:2, 3.)

Clearly, the idea that there was no law until Sinai makes no sense in light of so much of what the Bible teaches about life before Sinai[
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Rivers of waters run down mine eyes, because they keep not thy law.
Ps 119:136
stevelundgren
#19288 Posted : Monday, February 06, 2012 7:23:07 AM
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paulwhut wrote:
... Another grand deception is that we can eat and drink anything we wish to, that all is fine to enter the mouth.......this is not good thinking...

Clean and unclean meats are ignored as well. Leviticus 11 gives the outline of what to eat. Cloven at the hoof and cheweth the cud is the rule of thumb for flesh food. Seafood is to be with fins and scales.....no exceptions. In Is 65 and 66 there are remarks as to how the Lord feels about the pig........not good.....

What does the NT say?

Mark 7:19
For it doesn’t go into his heart but into his stomach, and then out of his body.”
(In saying this, Jesus declared all foods “clean.”)

Romans 14:16-18
Do not allow what you consider good to be spoken of as evil.
For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking,
but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit,
because anyone who serves Christ in this way is
pleasing to God and approved by men.

Romans 14:20
Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean,
but it is wrong for a man to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble.

Colossians 2:16
Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink,
or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.





Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? - Galatians 4:16
paulwhut
#19289 Posted : Monday, February 06, 2012 7:25:11 AM
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Sonny35 wrote:
"The Holy Catholic Church is the Mother of all Protestant Denominations." - Pope John Paul the 2nd, and does she ever have a bunch of them like maybe 3000+ in the U.S. alone, a different one on every street corner and all obediently keeping her sun-god-day.Sad ThumbDown





Hello Sonny, yes, but the pity of it all is that the "protestants".....quit protesting in the 1800s' and today are just "followalongs".......;(

Only the Seventh Day Baptists, and the couple of other sabbathkeeping churches are "protesting".

And only the SDA has the spirit of prophecy as per Rev 12:17.

Have a good day!



Peter R. Kraemer, Catholic Church Extension Society (1975),Chicago, Illinois.


"Regarding the change from the observance of the Jewish Sabbath to the Christian Sunday, I wish to draw your attention to the facts:

That Protestants, who accept the Bible as the only rule of faith and religion, should by all means go back to the observance of the Sabbath. The fact that they do not, but on the contrary observe the Sunday, stultifies them in the eyes of every thinking man.

"2) We Catholics do not accept the Bible as the only rule of faith. Besides the Bible we have the living Church, the authority of the Church, as a rule to guide us. We say, this Church, instituted by Christ to teach and guide man through life, has the right to change the ceremonial laws of the Old Testament and hence, we accept her change of the Sabbath to Sunday. We frankly say, yes, the Church made this change, made this law, as she made many other laws, for instance, the Friday abstinence, the unmarried priesthood, the laws concerning mixed marriages, the regulation of Catholic marriages and a thousand other laws.



It is always somewhat laughable, to see the Protestant churches, in pulpit and legislation, demand the observance of Sunday, of which there is nothing in their Bible."
Enright, C.S.S.R., in a lecture at Hartford, Kansas, Feb. 18,1884.

Rivers of waters run down mine eyes, because they keep not thy law.
Ps 119:136
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#19290 Posted : Monday, February 06, 2012 7:37:51 AM
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paulwhut wrote:
... As soon as we talk about the law, the Ten Commandments, and Sinai, we hear the refrain that the Ten Commandments were first given to the Jews at Sinai; hence, the commandments are a Jewish or an Old Testament institution and not applicable to our day and time...

Clearly, the idea that there was no law until Sinai makes no sense in light of so much of what the Bible teaches about life before Sinai.

What does the NT say?

Romans 5:12-14
Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man,
and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men,
because all sinned— for before the law was given, sin was in the world.
But sin is not taken into account when there is no law.
Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses,
even over those who did not sin by breaking a command,
as did Adam, who was a pattern of the one to come.

Galatians 3:16-18
The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed.
The Scripture does not say “and to seeds,” meaning many people, but
“and to your seed,” meaning one person, who is Christ.
What I mean is this: The law, introduced 430 years later,
does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and
thus do away with the promise. For if the inheritance depends on the law,
then it no longer depends on a promise;
but God in his grace gave it to Abraham through a promise.


Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? - Galatians 4:16
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#19291 Posted : Monday, February 06, 2012 7:44:25 AM
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paulwhut wrote:
Sonny35 wrote:
"The Holy Catholic Church is the Mother of all Protestant Denominations." - Pope John Paul the 2nd, and does she ever have a bunch of them like maybe 3000+ in the U.S. alone, a different one on every street corner and all obediently keeping her sun-god-day.Sad ThumbDown

... And only the SDA has the spirit of prophecy as per Rev 12:17.

Have a good day! ....

Did you get that, Sonny?

"... only the SDA has the spirit of prophecy..." - paulwhut

Translation: That God-forsaken church you attend is NOT the remnant church of the Bible.
Have a good day! BigGrin

Blink

Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? - Galatians 4:16
paulwhut
#19292 Posted : Monday, February 06, 2012 9:13:28 AM
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“Interview Quotes”
By Darryl Eberhart, Editor of “Examining the Tough Issues (ETI)” and
“Tackling the Tough Topics (TTT)” (www.toughissues.org)
DATE: September 19, 2007 (Updated: November 26, 2007)
 
THE FOLLOWING are quotes concerning the Jesuit Order that I read “on air” during an interview with Greg Szymanski of “The Investigative Journal” on September 18, 2007. I have since added one quote by a former Jesuit by name of Abbé M. De La Roche Arnauld, plus a few comments by me.
 

“Interview Quotes”
 
            “Between 1555 and 1931 the Society of Jesus [i.e., the Jesuit Order] was expelled from at least 83 countries, city states and cities, for engaging in political intrigue and subversion plots against the welfare of the State, according to the records of a Jesuit priest of repute [i.e., Thomas J. Campbell]. …Practically every instance of expulsion was for political intrigue, political infiltration, political subversion, and inciting to political insurrection.” – J.E.C. Shepherd (Canadian historian; “The Babington Plot”; 1987; Page 12)
 
            “My history of the Jesuits is not eloquently written, but it is supported by unquestionable authorities, [and] is very particular and very horrible. Their [the Jesuit Order’s] restoration [in 1814 by Pope Pius VII] is indeed a step toward darkness, cruelty, despotism,  [and] death. …I do not like the appearance of the Jesuits. If ever there was a body of men who merited eternal damnation on earth and in hell, it is this Society of [Ignatius de] Loyola.”
            John Adams (1735-1826; 2nd President of the United States) (This quote is taken from a letter written by John Adams to Thomas Jefferson in 1816.)

 
            “It is my opinion that if the liberties of this country – the United States of America – are destroyed, it will be by the subtlety of the Roman Catholic Jesuit priests, for they are the most crafty, dangerous enemies to civil and religious liberty. They have instigated MOST of the wars of Europe.” – Marquis de LaFayette (1757-1834; French statesman and general who served under General George Washington during the American Revolutionary War)
 
            “The whole frightful responsibility for this terrible Thirty Years’ War [1618-1648] must rest upon the [Holy Roman] Emperor Ferdinand II, and his teachers, rulers, and bosom friends – the Sons of Loyola [i.e., the Jesuits].”
Theodor Griesinger (German historian; 1873)

 
            “They [i.e., the Jesuits] have so constantly mixed themselves up in court and state intrigues that they must, in justice, be reproached with striving after world dominion. They cost kings their lives, not on the scaffold, but by assassination, and equally hurtful as the society of Illuminati; they were the foremost among the crowd, at all events, who applauded the murder scenes in Paris [during the French Revolution of 1789-1799].” – Archduke Maxmilian Francis (Quote is from “The Jesuits in History” by Hector Macpherson; P. 126)
 
            “Without exception, every chief actor in the French Revolution [1789-1799] was either Jesuit-educated, a Catholic prelate, or a member of the Illuminati Order [Ed. Note: a Jesuit front organization] where within the Jacobin Club they would come together to conspire and carry out the ‘Great Work’ – which in the open system of the Jacobins was the reflection of the complete hidden system of the Illuminati – and in back of the Illuminati were the hidden Jesuit ‘masters’.” – John Daniel (“The Grand Design Exposed”; 1999; Pages 212, 213)
 

            “The Jesuits, [Jesuit Adam] Weishaupt, and the Rothschilds managed to cast the blame for the French Revolution [1789-1799] on their front organization, the Illuminati!” – Bill Hughes (“The Enemy Unmasked”; 2004; Page 31)
 
            “The war [i.e., the American Civil War of 1861-1865] would never have been possible without the sinister influence of the Jesuits.”
            Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865; 16th President of the United States)
 
            “The Jesuits killed [President] Lincoln and buried the evidence.”
            C.T. Wilcox (“The Transformation of the Republic”; 2005; Page 12)
 

            “It would seem that the Jesuits had had it in mind, from the beginning of the war [the American Civil War of 1861-1865], to find an occasion for the taking off [i.e., the assassination] of Mr. [Abraham] Lincoln.”
Thomas M. Harris (U.S. Army Brigadier General; “Rome’s Responsibility for the Assassination of Abraham Lincoln”; 1897; Page 41)
 
            “…The favorite policy of the Jesuits [is] that of assassination.”
Thomas M. Harris (U.S. Army Brigadier General; “Rome’s Responsibility for the Assassination of Abraham Lincoln”; 1897; Page 19)
 
            “The [American] Civil War [of 1861-1865] was not a ‘homespun’ affair. It was the result of the same upheavals that have changed the face of Europe. The promises and active help of the European empires and the Church of Rome along with the Jesuit Order had stiffened the resolve and attitude of the Southern leaders, some of whom were quite willing to see the monarchic principle triumph in North America.”
            C. T. Wilcox (“The Transformation of the Republic”; 2005; Page 8)
 

            “The public is practically unaware of the overwhelming responsibility carried by the Vatican and its Jesuits in the starting of the two world wars – a situation which may be explained in part by the gigantic finances at the disposition of the Vatican and its Jesuits, giving them power in so many spheres, especially since the last conflict.” – Edmond Paris (French author; born a Roman Catholic; “The Secret History of the Jesuits”; 1975; Page 9)
 
            “The Jesuits…are a secret society – a sort of Masonic order – with superadded features of revolting odiousness, and a thousand times more dangerous.” – Samuel Morse (1791-1872; inventor of the telegraph; author of “Foreign Conspiracy Against the Liberties of the United States”)
 
            “[The Jesuits] are the deadly enemies of civil and religious liberty.”
            R. W. Thompson (Ex-Secretary, American Navy)
 
            “The Jesuits…are simply the Romish army for the earthly sovereignty of the world in the future, with the Pontiff of Rome for emperor…that’s their ideal.  …It is simple lust of power, of filthy earthly gain, of domination – something like a universal serfdom with them [i.e., the Jesuits] as masters – that’s all they stand for. They don’t even believe in God perhaps.” (1880)
            Fyodor Dostoyevsky (1821-1881; famous Russian novelist)
 

“For over 200 years, the goal [of the Jesuits] has been the complete destruction of the United States Constitution. …In the religious arena, the goal of the Jesuits is to wipe out any trace of Protestantism and other religions, and to restore worldwide domination by the pope.”
            Bill Hughes (“The Secret Terrorists”; 2002; Page 138)
 
            “Today they [i.e., the Jesuits] are stronger in the United States than they ever were in any of the countries of Europe which expelled them as a menace to the government.” (1912)
            Jeremiah J. Crowley (Irishman; ex-Roman Catholic priest; author of “Romanism: A Menace to the Nation”)
 

And here’s an additional quote that I had not previously used in any of my various writings:
 
            “Do you wish to excite troubles, to provoke revolution, to produce the total ruin of your country? [Well, if you do, then] Call in the Jesuits; raise up again their monks; open academies, and build magnificent [Jesuit] colleges for these hotheaded religionists; suffer [i.e., permit, allow] those audacious priests, in their dictatorial and dogmatic tone, to decide on affairs of State.”
Abbé M. De La Roche Arnauld (former Jesuit; quote taken from page 32 of the book, “The Jesuits in History”, by Hector Macpherson)
 
Comments by Editor of ETI & TTT to all the above quotes:
 

(1) Were all the above men, including two U.S. presidents, ignorant, uninformed, poorly educated, and/or “smoking hemp” when they uttered such harsh words against, and gave us such GRAVE WARNINGS about, the Jesuit Order?
 
(2) The Jesuit Order’s primary goals have been (a.) to counter the Protestant Reformation; (b.) to wage war on God’s Word, and in particular the King James Bible (if you do not believe this, then please read B. G. Wilkinson’s book, “Our Authorized Bible Vindicated”); and, (c.) to restore the papacy (with the Jesuits’ Superior General the real power behind the papal throne) to geopolitical SUPREMACY as in the days when popes RULED Europe with an iron fist!
 

Many Roman Catholic monarchs in Europe (whose populations were predominantly Roman Catholic) had the common sense to throw the Jesuit Order out of their countries. Some of these European Roman Catholic countries expelled the Jesuit Order at least three times (e.g., France, Spain, and Portugal). A number of Roman Catholic countries in South and Central America had the common sense to expel the Jesuit Order. Czar Alexander I of Russia had the common sense to expel the Jesuit Order.

But supposedly Protestant America welcomed the Jesuit Order to its shores, where, according to Jeremiah J. Crowley, it had by 1931 become stronger here than it had ever been on the European continent!

Do we Americans not realize that the reason these many other nations of the world expelled the Jesuits so many times was that the Jesuits were constantly mixing themselves in the POLITICAL life of those nations, fomenting bloody revolutions and wars, and assassinating those heads of State who would not “play ball” with them?

I must ask: WHY have these Jesuits been ALLOWED to grow so strong here in the USA? And WHY are they STILL here? Can America survive with any degree of freedom as long as these “haters of freedom” reside in this Republic?
 
(4) A large segment of the so-called “alternative media” blames all the world’s woes, including the advance of the so-called “New World Order”, on “the Jews” – yet largely IGNORES the immense power, influence, and wealth of the Vatican-Papacy-Jesuits-Knights of Malta cabal! WHY is this? (This last question NEEDS to be openly and honestly discussed by ALL of the so-called “alternative media” – i.e., WHY is this massive COVER-UP of Vatican-Jesuit power in the USA occurring in so much of the “alternative media”?)
 
I do hope that the quotations at the beginning of this article prove helpful. I also hope that some of you who are broadcast hosts who have been reluctant in the past to cover the immense power, influence, and wealth of the Vatican-Papacy-Jesuits-Knights of Malta cabal will begin to do so in earnest (as Greg Szymanski has been doing). Please check out his website: www.arcticbeacon.com. You might also want to check out my articles on www.toughissues.org (my website).

And here are several more Internet websites that deal with the “tough topic” of the Vatican-Papacy-Jesuits-Knights of Malta cabal that you might wish to check out: www.gordoncomstock.com, C.T. Wilcox’s www.ctwilcox.com, Eric Jon Phelps’ www.vaticanassassins.org, Thomas Richards’ www.SpirituallySmart.com, www.vyzygoth.com, and John Daniel’s www.vaticandesignexposed.com. Please also check out these two websites that offer some great “information tools” dealing with the Vatican, Papacy, and Jesuits: www.bereanbeacon.org and www.chick.com.

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The above is just a small illustration of the "wickedness in high places"........Eph 6.12
Rivers of waters run down mine eyes, because they keep not thy law.
Ps 119:136
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#19293 Posted : Monday, February 06, 2012 3:58:41 PM
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What was headline news 128 years ago is totally irrelevant in this day and age!


paulwhut wrote:


"Regarding the change from the observance of the Jewish Sabbath to the Christian Sunday, I wish to draw your attention to the facts:

That Protestants, who accept the Bible as the only rule of faith and religion, should by all means go back to the observance of the Sabbath. The fact that they do not, but on the contrary observe the Sunday, stultifies them in the eyes of every thinking man.

"2) We Catholics do not accept the Bible as the only rule of faith. Besides the Bible we have the living Church, the authority of the Church, as a rule to guide us. We say, this Church, instituted by Christ to teach and guide man through life, has the right to change the ceremonial laws of the Old Testament and hence, we accept her change of the Sabbath to Sunday. We frankly say, yes, the Church made this change, made this law, as she made many other laws, for instance, the Friday abstinence, the unmarried priesthood, the laws concerning mixed marriages, the regulation of Catholic marriages and a thousand other laws.



It is always somewhat laughable, to see the Protestant churches, in pulpit and legislation, demand the observance of Sunday, of which there is nothing in their Bible."
Enright, C.S.S.R., in a lecture at Hartford, Kansas, Feb. 18,1884.[/color]





The date of this publication should be noted, "Feb. 18,1884." This publication is 12 days shy of it's 128th anniversary. TWO CENTURIES ago, there was a powerful movement through this nation to force religious observance by controlling legislation. In the past fifty years, this has all come unraveled and meaningless. Religion is being totally stripped away from the government and all public entities and places.
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#19294 Posted : Monday, February 06, 2012 9:26:32 PM
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Paulwhut has dedicated this thread to condemning ALL Christians that do not accept SDA doctrine. Satan is alive and active! He has managed to get Christian brothers to fight and argue with each other over some pretty stupid things. All the while the true danger is ignored.

Sure there are some major schisms in Christianity, but there are far more commonalities. We need to stop acting like our Christian brothers are the enemy, we should seek out our common ground and we should build each other up, encouraging each other rather than tearing each other down over petty differences.

I don't know how many people really know what is going on in the world and give thought to being part of the world community. None of us truly stand alone, this is not the world of Jesus' and his Apostles days. Everyone and everything in this world is now mere seconds away from a near complete knowledge of events in every tiny corner of this world.

Paulwhut says there will be just two camps in the entire world, the SDA members and the rest of the world of losers, the good verses the bad, the right verses the wrong and ALL people of the world will either join the SDA or they will stand with the RCC. Does anyone realize that professed Christians only account for one third of the world population?


WAKE UP PAULWHUT!


Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world, second only to Christians and Judaism is just a little blip in the world. Out of the top two, Christians promote harmony and tolerance, Muslims promote intolerance and the elimination of all the world's infidels. Which sounds more God like, harmony and peace or strict adherence to eliminate the world of infidels?
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#19295 Posted : Monday, February 06, 2012 9:34:33 PM
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Ayaan Hirsi Ali:The Global War on Christians in the Muslim World

Feb 6, 2012 12:00 AM EST

From one end of the muslim world to the other, Christians are being murdered for their faith.


We hear so often about Muslims as victims of abuse in the West and combatants in the Arab Spring’s fight against tyranny. But, in fact, a wholly different kind of war is underway—an unrecognized battle costing thousands of lives. Christians are being killed in the Islamic world because of their religion. It is a rising genocide that ought to provoke global alarm.

The portrayal of Muslims as victims or heroes is at best partially accurate. In recent years the violent oppression of Christian minorities has become the norm in Muslim-majority nations stretching from West Africa and the Middle East to South Asia and Oceania. In some countries it is governments and their agents that have burned churches and imprisoned parishioners. In others, rebel groups and vigilantes have taken matters into their own hands, murdering Christians and driving them from regions where their roots go back centuries.

The media’s reticence on the subject no doubt has several sources. One may be fear of provoking additional violence. Another is most likely the influence of lobbying groups such as the Organization of Islamic Cooperation—a kind of United Nations of Islam centered in Saudi Arabia—and the Council on American-Islamic Relations. Over the past decade, these and similar groups have been remarkably successful in persuading leading public figures and journalists in the West to think of each and every example of perceived anti-Muslim discrimination as an expression of a systematic and sinister derangement called “Islamophobia”—a term that is meant to elicit the same moral disapproval as xenophobia or homophobia.

But a fair-minded assessment of recent events and trends leads to the conclusion that the scale and severity of Islamophobia pales in comparison with the bloody Christophobia currently coursing through Muslim-majority nations from one end of the globe to the other. The conspiracy of silence surrounding this violent expression of religious intolerance has to stop. Nothing less than the fate of Christianity—and ultimately of all religious minorities—in the Islamic world is at stake.

From blasphemy laws to brutal murders to bombings to mutilations and the burning of holy sites, Christians in so many nations live in fear. In Nigeria many have suffered all of these forms of persecution. The nation has the largest Christian minority (40 percent) in proportion to its population (160 million) of any majority-Muslim country. For years, Muslims and Christians in Nigeria have lived on the edge of civil war. Islamist radicals provoke much if not most of the tension. The newest such organization is an outfit that calls itself Boko Haram, which means “Western education is sacrilege.” Its aim is to establish Sharia in Nigeria. To this end it has stated that it will kill all Christians in the country.
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#19296 Posted : Tuesday, February 07, 2012 5:45:23 AM
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Good Morning. Today is Tuesday, the Third Day of the Week towards the sabbath. A working day.

I did not write the Book. None of us did. None of us asked to be born. We are all here and we are all affected by this life. We can choose to read the Book and make decisions on what it says.....or we can decide to do differently........

In reading the Book...the Holy Bible.....you immediately meet up with the Great Controversy between Christ and Satan.....we start out in the garden with no sin. Then we decide to disobey our Creator, and we are being punished for it.

Our Creator made the rules....obey and live.....disobey and die. Our sorry efforts dictated that we needed help and so .........the Creator.....decided to come and show us how to live, and then He died our death for us......so that in Him, we can have eternal life.

What a God! This God who made all life, everything, came and died for us. To show our allegiance to Him he set up a test........the sabbath.

Those who follow Jesus and love HIm will obey his commandments and honor his sabbath day.......

Isaiah 58:
13 ¶If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:
14 Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

It is that simple......Exodus 20:
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

What is so hard about this, is that it is so easy. And Satan has unleashed full fury upon all who decide to honor God and obey His Ten Commandments.

Ecclesiastes 12:
13 ¶Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

Sundaykeepers take courage, all you have to do is repent, and follow Jesus. Discard man made customs and traditions, and fall in step with your Creator. Tell Satan to get lost and set your eyes upon that heavenly city.....the New Jerusalem.

Trouble is upon the world....the sea and the waves roaring...(people)......and time is clearly showing the nearness of the Second Coming of Jesus in the clouds of glory. The world and the things on it have waxed old, decayed, mutilated.......Matthew 11:
28 ¶Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.


Isaiah 1:
18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.



Section 3

The Way to Christ

Chapter 30.

Present Truth

1. BY what are men sanctified?
"Sanctify them through Thy truth: Thy word is truth. John 17:17.

2. To what knowledge would God have all men come?
"Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth." 1 Tim. 2:4.

3. After receiving a knowledge of the truth, what must one do in order to be sanctified by it?
"God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth." 2 Thess. 2:13.

4. And what besides a mere belief in the truth is necessary?
"Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience." 1 Peter 1:2.

5. What effect does obedience to the truth have?
"Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit." Verse 22.

6. How should the truth ever be cherished?
"Buy the truth, and sell it not." Prov. 23:23.

NOTE.-That is, buy the truth at whatever sacrifice or cost, and sell it under no consideration.

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7. Does the Bible recognize what may be called "present truth"?
"Wherefore I will not be negligent to put you always in remembrance of these things, though ye know them, and be established in the present truth." 2 Peter 1:12.

NOTE.-Some truths are applicable in all ages, and are therefore present truth for every generation; others are of a special character, and are applicable to only one generation. They are none the less important, however, because of this; for upon their acceptance or rejection depends the salvation or loss of the people of that generation. Of this kind was Noah's message of a coming flood. To the generation to whom it was preached that message was present truth; to later generations it has been past truth, and not a present, testing message. Similarly, had the first advent message of John the Baptist, of the Messiah at hand, been proclaimed in the generation either before or after John's time, it would not have been applicable - would not have been present truth. The people of the generation before would not have lived to see it fulfilled, and to those living after, it would have been wrongly timed. Not so with general truths, such as love, faith, hope, repentance, obedience, justice, and mercy. These are always in season, and of a saving nature at all times. Present truths, however always include all these, and hence are saving in character, and of vital importance.

8. What was the special message for Noah's day?
"And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before Me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth. Make thee an ark of gopher wood." Gen. 6:13,14.

9. How did Noah show his faith in this message?
"By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith." Heb. 11:7.

10. How many were saved in the ark?
"The long-suffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water." 1 Peter 3:20.

NOTE.-Doubtless many who were lost in the flood held, in a nominal way, to faith in God; but the test as to the genuineness of this came with Noah's special message; and the difference between their faith and his was made plain when they rejected the saving truth for that time, - the warning message concerning the coming flood.

11. What special message was given to Jonah for Nineveh?
"So Jonah arose, and went unto Nineveh, according to the word of the Lord. . . . And Jonah began to enter into the city a day's journey, and he cried, and said, Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown." Jonah 3:3,4.

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12. What saved the people from the predicted overthrow?
"So the people of Nineveh believed God, and proclaimed a fast, and put on sackcloth, from the greatest of them even to the least of them. . . . And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that He had said that He would do unto them; and He did it not." Verses 5-10. See Jer. 18:7-10.

NOTE.-So likewise would God have spared the antediluvian world had they received Noah's message, and turned from their evil ways.

13. What was the special mission of John the Baptist?
"There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through Him might believe." John 1:6,7.

14. What answer did he return when asked concerning his mission?
"He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Esaias." Verse 23.

15. What did Christ say of those who rejected John's message?
"But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel of God against themselves, being not baptized of him." Luke 7:30.

16. What did those do who were baptized of John?
"And all the people that heard Him, and the publicans, justified God, being baptized with, the baptism of John." Verse 29.

NOTE.-That is, they honored God by this act, which showed their faith in His truth for that time.

17. Did God's chosen people receive Christ when He came?
"He came unto His own, and His own received Him not." John 1:11.

18. What reason did they give for not receiving Him?
"We know that God spake unto Moses: as for this fellow, we know not from whence He is." John 9:29.

NOTE.-That was the trouble; they had no faith in anything new. They knew that God spoke by Moses: it required little faith to believe that. They felt perfectly safe in accepting him, for everything had demonstrated that he was sent of God. All could see that. But here was One whom, although He had come in fulfillment of the prophecies of Moses and the prophets as their long-looked-for Messiah, they felt there was a risk in accepting, because they did not understand the prophecies relating to Him, and time had not worked out to their satisfaction the truthfulness of His claims. It required too much faith, as against their desire to walk by sight, to accept Christ. It also called for a change of views in some things, and a reformation in life. So they rejected Him. They believed in the flood, faith in which had saved Noah; they believed in Elijah also, and professed faith in all the prophets; but when it came to this special truth for their time, they refused to accept it. Thus it has been in all ages, and thus we may expect it to continue to be to the end.

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19. How did Christ say those who rejected Him reasoned?
"Ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchers of the righteous, and say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets." Matt. 23:29,30.

NOTE.-While they condemned the action of their fathers in slaying the prophets whom God had sent with messages of reproof and warning applicable to those times, they soon filled up the measure of the iniquity of their fathers by putting to death the Son of God. This showed that they would have done as did their fathers had they lived in their day. Thus we see that present truths are testing truths.

20. What was the result of the Jews' not accepting Christ?
"And when He was come near, He beheld the city, and wept over it, saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes." Luke 19:41,42. "Behold, your house is left unto you desolate." Matt. 23:38.

21. Is there to be a special message for the last days?
"Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh. Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his Lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?" Matt. 24:44,45.

NOTE.-In the last days a message will go forth which will be "meat in due season" to the people. This must be the warning concerning the Lord's soon coming, and the preparation necessary to meet Him. Because, such a message was not always preached, is no evidence that it is not now to be proclaimed. In his farewell address to the Pilgrim Fathers on their departure from Holland for America, John Robinson said: "The Lord knoweth whether I shall ever see your faces more; but whether the Lord bath appointed that or not, I charge you before God and His blessed angels to follow me no farther than I have followed Christ. If God should reveal anything to you by any other instrument or His, be as ready to receive it as you ever were to receive any truth by my ministry; for I am very confident that the Lord hath more truth and light yet to break forth out of His Holy Word. For my part, I cannot sufficiently bewail the condition of the Reformed churches, who are come to a period in religion, and will go no farther than the instruments of their reformation. The Lutherans cannot be drawn to go any farther than what Luther saw; and the Calvinists, you see, stick fast where they were left by that great man of God, who yet saw not all things. This is a misery much to be lamented; for though they were burning and shining lights in their time, yet they penetrated not into the whole counsel of God, but were they now living, would be as willing to embrace further light as that which they first received."

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22. What does Christ say of that servant who, when He comes, is found giving "meat in due season"?
"Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing." Verse 46.

NOTES.-The coming of Christ in glory has been the hope of the faithful in all ages.
• Luther declared: "I persuade myself verily, that the day of judgment will not be absent full three hundred years. God will not, cannot, suffer this wicked world much longer. The great day is drawing near in which the kingdom of abominations shall be overthrown."
• Melanchthon said: "This aged world is not far from its end."
Calvin bade Christians "not to hesitate, ardently desiring the day of Christ's coming as of all events most auspicious;" and declared that "the whole human family of the faithful will keep in view that day." "We must hunger after Christ, we must seek, contemplate," he adds, "till the dawning of that great day, when our Lord will fully manifest the glory of His kingdom."
• Said Knox, the Scotch Reformer: "Has not our Lord Jesus carried up our flesh into heaven? and shall He not return? We know that He shall return, and that with expedition."
• Ridley and Latimer, who laid down their lives for the truth, looked in faith for the Lord's coming. Ridley wrote: "The world without doubt - this I do believe, and therefore I say it - draws to an end."
• Said Baxter: "The thoughts of the coming of the Lord are most sweet and joyful to me. It is the work of faith and the character of His saints to love His appearing, and to look for that blessed hope."

23. What will be the burden of the closing gospel message?
"Fear God, and give glory to Him; for the hour of His judgment is come: and worship Him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters. . . . Babylon is fallen, is fallen. . . . If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, the same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God." Rev. 14:7-10.

24. How are those described who accept this message?
"Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus." Verse 12.

25. How earnestly is this work to be prosecuted?
"And the lord said unto the servant, Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled." Luke 14:23.

NOTE.- This work is now going on. In every part of the world the sound of this closing gospel message is being heard, and the people are being urged to accept it, and to prepare for Christ's coming and kingdom. See readings in Chapters 56, 57, and 58 of this book.


Tuesday, Monday
February 7
The Sabbath Before Sinai

God doesn’t reveal how He communicated the eternal principles of His law to humanity before Mount Sinai, but the evidence is clear and substantial that the giving of the law on Sinai was not the world’s initial exposure to its precepts.

Many people, forced to concede that point, argue, instead, that it was only the Sabbath commandment, not the others, that was first given at Sinai, and, therefore, it is exclusively Jewish and doesn’t pertain to Christians today. How valid is that claim?

Read Genesis 2:1–3. What does this passage teach us about the Sabbath before Sinai?

Next, in Exodus 5:1–5, the Bible reveals Moses and Aaron strug- gling with Pharaoh in regard to the question of letting Israel go. Verse five is particularly enlightening.

Read Exodus 5:5. What indication is there of the Sabbath in this text?

Pharaoh’s response, “You make them rest from their labor” (NKJV), seems clear enough. The original language reads even more pointedly.

Although there are several words for rest, the verb Pharaoh uses is built on the word for “Sabbath.” The striking language of Pharaoh to Moses and Aaron reads like this, “You make them sabbath from their labor!” a hint, if nothing else, to the reality of the Sabbath rest before Sinai.

Proof of the Sabbath before Sinai, though, appears in Exodus 16, when God miraculously provides manna for Israel in the wilderness. This 40-year miracle began before the Israelites reached Mount Sinai.

Read Exodus 16:4–30, focusing especially on verses 23–30. How do these verses prove the existence of the seventh-day Sabbath before the Mount Sinai experience?

Notice the words of the Lord to Moses in verse 28, “How long do you refuse to keep My commandments and My laws?” (NKJV), a clear indication that God’s laws and commandments existed before the revelation at Sinai, and that among those commandments and laws was the seventh-day Sabbath. Thus, although something monu- mental happened with the giving of the law at Mount Sinai, the Ten Commandments themselves obviously weren’t new.

How is your Sabbath experience? Do you love the Sabbath, dread it, or are you ambivalent about it? What can you do to have a deeper and richer experience with the Lord through the gift of His Sabbath day?

Rivers of waters run down mine eyes, because they keep not thy law.
Ps 119:136
stevelundgren
#19297 Posted : Tuesday, February 07, 2012 6:01:25 AM
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paulwhut wrote:
... I did not write the Book. None of us did. None of us asked to be born. We are all here and we are all affected by this life. We can choose to read the Book and make decisions on what it says.....or we can decide to do differently........

Yes. Good idea.

When do you plan to do this?

Wait... When you said "the Book", you meant the Bible, right?

Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? - Galatians 4:16
stevelundgren
#19298 Posted : Tuesday, February 07, 2012 6:04:43 AM
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paulwhut wrote:
... In reading the Book...the Holy Bible.....you immediately meet up with the Great Controversy between Christ and Satan.....

Hmm...

Yup. You are confusing your books.

The Great Controversy was written by Ellen G White.

(Not to be confused with the Bible.)

Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? - Galatians 4:16
stevelundgren
#19299 Posted : Tuesday, February 07, 2012 6:13:56 AM
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paulwhut wrote:
... What a God! This God who made all life, everything, came and died for us. To show our allegiance to Him he set up a test........the sabbath...

Hmm...

This sounds important.

Where is this "test" presented to gentiles in the new testament?
Or to Israel in the old for that matter.

Are you making this stuff up?

What were you saying about going by "the Book"?

Here's what a new testament Jew says about this.

Romans 7:6
But now, by dying to what once bound us,
we have been released from the law
so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit,
and not in the old way of the written code.


Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? - Galatians 4:16
stevelundgren
#19300 Posted : Tuesday, February 07, 2012 6:23:42 AM
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paulwhut wrote:
... Those who follow Jesus and love HIm will obey his commandments and honor his sabbath day.......

What is so hard about this, is that it is so easy. And Satan has unleashed full fury upon all who decide to honor God and obey His Ten Commandments...

Sundaykeepers take courage, all you have to do is repent, and follow Jesus. Discard man made customs and traditions, and fall in step with your Creator. Tell Satan to get lost and set your eyes upon that heavenly city.....the New Jerusalem...

An invitation to a yoke of bondage, a curse, and loss of grace. Thanks. Sneaky

Ignore this sheep stealing denomination and follow Jesus to freedom.
Jesus came to seek and to save those who are lost.
The sabbatarians have come to seek and enslave those who are saved.

Galatians 5:1
It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then,
and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.

Galatians 3:10
All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written:
“Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”

John 1:17
For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

Galatians 2:21
I do not set aside the grace of God,
for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!”

Galatians 3:18
For if the inheritance depends on the law, then it no longer depends on a promise;
but God in his grace gave it to Abraham through a promise.

Galatians 5:4
You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ;
you have fallen away from grace.


Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? - Galatians 4:16
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