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NEW INTERNATIONAL VERSION 1984: Psalms 104:35--"Praise the LORD," footnote Hebrew "Hallelu,yah. The same with Psalms 112:1; 115:18; 146:1, 10; 147:1, 20; 148:1, 14; 149:1, 9; 150:1, 6; This expression stands alongside "Amen," at the close of Book 4 of Psalms 106:48. Revelation 19:1, 3, 4, 6. Threefold "Hallelujah" over Babylon's Fall; verse 1: After this I heard what sounded like the roar of a great multitude in heaven shouting Hallelujah! Salvation and glory and power belongs to God. verse 3: And again they shouted Hallelujah, the smoke from her goes up for ever and ever; verse 4: The twenty-four elders and the four living creatures fell down and worshiped God, who was seated on the throne. And they cried "Amen Hallelujah."; verse 6: Then I heard what sounded like a great multitude, like the roar of rushing waters and like peals of thunder,shouting, "Hallelujah! For our Lord God Almighty reigns. "Hallelujah" stands for 'Praise Jah,' and Jah is a shorten form of Jehovah. In June 29, 2008, Christendom vowed to eliminate the personal name of God from Bible translations and other uses, such as hymns, prayers, sermons, buildings, etc. The Name is not even to be pronounced. What are they to do with their translations with scriptures as mentioned above? Would you not admit they are in confusion? Can you not see why their followers are confused in understanding the scriptures? Jehovah is warning the people: Get out of her my people...Revelation 18:4, 5.
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jnk309 wrote:NEW INTERNATIONAL VERSION 1984: Psalms 104:35--"Praise the LORD," footnote Hebrew "Hallelu,yah. The same with Psalms 112:1; 115:18; 146:1, 10; 147:1, 20; 148:1, 14; 149:1, 9; 150:1, 6; This expression stands alongside "Amen," at the close of Book 4 of Psalms 106:48. Revelation 19:1, 3, 4, 6. Threefold "Hallelujah" over Babylon's Fall; verse 1: After this I heard what sounded like the roar of a great multitude in heaven shouting Hallelujah! Salvation and glory and power belongs to God. verse 3: And again they shouted Hallelujah, the smoke from her goes up for ever and ever; verse 4: The twenty-four elders and the four living creatures fell down and worshiped God, who was seated on the throne. And they cried "Amen Hallelujah."; verse 6: Then I heard what sounded like a great multitude, like the roar of rushing waters and like peals of thunder,shouting, "Hallelujah! For our Lord God Almighty reigns. "Hallelujah" stands for 'Praise Jah,' and Jah is a shorten form of Jehovah. In June 29, 2008, Christendom vowed to eliminate the personal name of God from Bible translations and other uses, such as hymns, prayers, sermons, buildings, etc. The Name is not even to be pronounced. What are they to do with their translations with scriptures as mentioned above? Would you not admit they are in confusion? Can you not see why their followers are confused in understanding the scriptures? Jehovah is warning the people: Get out of her my people...Revelation 18:4, 5. What's this?
"In June 29, 2008, Christendom vowed to eliminate the personal name of God from Bible translations and other uses, such as hymns, prayers, sermons, buildings, etc. The Name is not even to be pronounced." - jnk309
Christendom vowed? Vowed?
Vowed to eliminate the personal name of God... ???
This seems like false and sensationalist journalism.
Can you cite your source?
Vowed? Please...
"The Name is not even to be pronounced" ??? Can you cite your source?
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? - Galatians 4:16
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Christendom contributing to the spiritual illiteracy common among churchgoers and for its manifest hatred of God's name. In the middle Ages, God's personal name was rather widely known in Europe. That name, represented by four Hebrew letters called the Tetragrammaton and commonly transliterated YHWH [or JHVH], appeared on coins, on facades of houses, in many books and Bibles, and even in some Catholic and Protestant churches. However, the trend in recent times is to eliminate the name of God from Bible translations and from other uses. One indication of this is the letter to the Bishops' Conference on 'the name of God,' dated June 29, 2008, issued by the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments. In it the Roman Catholic Church advised that the Tetragrammaton in its various renderings should be replaced by "Lord." The Vatican instructed that God's name should not be used or pronounced in hymns and prayers during Catholic religious services. And the leaders of other religions inside and outside of Christendom have also hidden the identity of the true God from millions upon millions of worshipers.
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jnk309 wrote:Christendom contributing to the spiritual illiteracy common among churchgoers and for its manifest hatred of God's name. In the middle Ages, God's personal name was rather widely known in Europe. That name, represented by four Hebrew letters called the Tetragrammaton and commonly transliterated YHWH [or JHVH], appeared on coins, on facades of houses, in many books and Bibles, and even in some Catholic and Protestant churches. However, the trend in recent times is to eliminate the name of God from Bible translations and from other uses. One indication of this is the letter to the Bishops' Conference on 'the name of God,' dated June 29, 2008, issued by the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments. In it the Roman Catholic Church advised that the Tetragrammaton in its various renderings should be replaced by "Lord." The Vatican instructed that God's name should not be used or pronounced in hymns and prayers during Catholic religious services. And the leaders of other religions inside and outside of Christendom have also hidden the identity of the true God from millions upon millions of worshipers. What's this? !!!!!!!!!!!!! ???
"Christendom contributing to the spiritual illiteracy common among churchgoers and for its manifest hatred of God's name." - jnk309
Christendom? Spiritual illiteracy? Manifest hatred of God's name? More baseless and inflammatory propaganda from the WatchTower Society.
John, could you be any more irresponsible with your posting than this? I hope not. Enough is enough already. This is absolutely criminal. (How's that for sensationalism?)
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? - Galatians 4:16
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[1]MANIFEST HATRED FOR GOD'S NAME: The American Standard Version carries the Name, "Jehovah," thousands of times in the Scriptures. The 1611 King James Bible carries the Name in large print four Places: Exodus 6:3; Psalms 83:18; Isaiah 12:2; 26:4. The new and recent King James Bible, the Name "Jehovah" was removed from the four places mentioned earlier. The earlier Jewish Bible, the name was mention two times in the Scriptures. Their latest and new Bible, the name is nowhere to be found. Does not this show a hatred for his name and with the evidence I provided earlier? Even, you Steve, your God is nameless. In fact, you worship a creation as your god. Exodus 20:4. WHEN YOU ARE READY, I WILL POST THE SPIRITUAL ILLITERACY BY CHRISTENDOM.
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FURTHERMORE ON THE NAME: Detail of an angel with God's name, found on the tomb of Pope Clement X111 in St. Peter's Basilica, the Vatican. One of many coins dated 1661, is from Guremberg, Germany. The Latin text reads: "Under the shadow of its wings." In times past, God's name in the form of the Tetragrammaton was made part of the decoration of many religious buidings. Fourviere Catholic Basilica, Lyons, France; Bourges Cathedral, France; Church in La Celle Dunoise, France; Church in Digne, Southern France; Church in Sao Paulo, Brazil; Strasbourg Cathedral, France; Saint Mark's Cathedral Venice, Italy; Jehovah's name [IEHOVAE] as it appears in a monastery in Bordesholm, Germany; Over a church door [JEHOVAH] in Fehmarn, Germany; and on an gravestone [JEHOVA] in Harmannschlag, Lower Austria and also on a German coin [JEHOVA] dated 1635.
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jnk309 wrote:[1]MANIFEST HATRED FOR GOD'S NAME: The American Standard Version carries the Name, "Jehovah," thousands of times in the Scriptures. The 1611 King James Bible carries the Name in large print four Places: Exodus 6:3; Psalms 83:18; Isaiah 12:2; 26:4. The new and recent King James Bible, the Name "Jehovah" was removed from the four places mentioned earlier. The earlier Jewish Bible, the name was mention two times in the Scriptures. Their latest and new Bible, the name is nowhere to be found. Does not this show a hatred for his name and with the evidence I provided earlier? Even, you Steve, your God is nameless. In fact, you worship a creation as your god. Exodus 20:4. WHEN YOU ARE READY, I WILL POST THE SPIRITUAL ILLITERACY BY CHRISTENDOM. Your claims are ever baseless.
And you most certainly do not plan to wait until I am "ready" to post about the "SPIRITUAL ILLITERACY BY CHRISTENDOM."
The WatchTower lied to you. Why do you present their lies here?
By who's definition is "Christendom" spiritually illiterate? By who's definition does "Christendom" have "manifest hatred for God's name"? Neither is true. Complete falsehood.
Just so we are clear. I am not ready for you to post any more about this. So keep your vow until I inform you otherwise.
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? - Galatians 4:16
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jnk309 wrote:NEW INTERNATIONAL VERSION 1984: Psalms 104:35--"Praise the LORD," footnote Hebrew "Hallelu,yah. The same with Psalms 112:1; 115:18; 146:1, 10; 147:1, 20; 148:1, 14; 149:1, 9; 150:1, 6; This expression stands alongside "Amen," at the close of Book 4 of Psalms 106:48. Revelation 19:1, 3, 4, 6. Threefold "Hallelujah" over Babylon's Fall; verse 1: After this I heard what sounded like the roar of a great multitude in heaven shouting Hallelujah! Salvation and glory and power belongs to God. verse 3: And again they shouted Hallelujah, the smoke from her goes up for ever and ever; verse 4: The twenty-four elders and the four living creatures fell down and worshiped God, who was seated on the throne. And they cried "Amen Hallelujah."; verse 6: Then I heard what sounded like a great multitude, like the roar of rushing waters and like peals of thunder,shouting, "Hallelujah! For our Lord God Almighty reigns. "Hallelujah" stands for 'Praise Jah,' and Jah is a shorten form of Jehovah. In June 29, 2008, Christendom vowed to eliminate the personal name of God from Bible translations and other uses, such as hymns, prayers, sermons, buildings, etc. The Name is not even to be pronounced. What are they to do with their translations with scriptures as mentioned above? Would you not admit they are in confusion? Can you not see why their followers are confused in understanding the scriptures? Jehovah is warning the people: Get out of her my people...Revelation 18:4, 5. The Jews did it long before that. Just to avoid being blasphemous by getting it wrong. Like the JWs get it wrong."If a man loses pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music in which he hears, however measured, or far away.” Henry David Thoreau
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JEHOVAH GOD wants man to know and use his name. That is evident from the fact He revealed His name to the very first two persons on earth. We know that Adam and Eve were familiar with God's name because after Eve gave birth to Cain, according to the original Hebrew text, she said: "I have produced a man with the aid of Jehovah."--Genesis 4:1 Later we read that faithful men like Enoch and Noah "walked with the true God." [Genesis 5:24; 6:9] They also, then, must of known God's name. The name survived the great Flood with the righteous man Noah and his family. In spite of the great rebellion some time later at Babel, true servants of God kept on using his name. It appears hundreds of times in the laws that God gave to Israel. In the book of Deuteronomy alone, it appears 551 times. In the days of the judges, the Israelites evidently did not shy away from using God's name. They even used it in greeting one another. We read [in the original Hebrew] Boaz greeting his harvesters: "Jehovah be with you." They returned his greeting by saying: "Jehovah bless you."--Ruth 2:4. Throughout the history of the Israelites right up until the time that they returned to Judah after their captivity in Babylon, Jehovah's name continued in common usage. King David, a man agreeable to God's own heart, used the divine name extensively--it appears hundreds of times in the psalms that he wrote. [Acts 13:22] God's name was also incorporated in many Israelite personal names. Thus we read of Adonijah ["My Lord is Jah"--"Jah" is a shorten form of Jehovah], Isaiah ["Salvation of Jehovah"], Jonathan ["Jehovah Has Given"], Micah ["Who is like Jah?"] Joshua [Jehovah is Salvation"].
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jnk309 wrote:JEHOVAH GOD wants man to know and use his name. That is evident from the fact He revealed His name to the very first two persons on earth. We know that Adam and Eve were familiar with God's name because after Eve gave birth to Cain, according to the original Hebrew text, she said: "I have produced a man with the aid of Jehovah."--Genesis 4:1 Later we read that faithful men like Enoch and Noah "walked with the true God." [Genesis 5:24; 6:9] They also, then, must of known God's name. The name survived the great Flood with the righteous man Noah and his family. In spite of the great rebellion some time later at Babel, true servants of God kept on using his name. It appears hundreds of times in the laws that God gave to Israel. In the book of Deuteronomy alone, it appears 551 times. In the days of the judges, the Israelites evidently did not shy away from using God's name. They even used it in greeting one another. We read [in the original Hebrew] Boaz greeting his harvesters: "Jehovah be with you." They returned his greeting by saying: "Jehovah bless you."--Ruth 2:4. Throughout the history of the Israelites right up until the time that they returned to Judah after their captivity in Babylon, Jehovah's name continued in common usage. King David, a man agreeable to God's own heart, used the divine name extensively--it appears hundreds of times in the psalms that he wrote. [Acts 13:22] God's name was also incorporated in many Israelite personal names. Thus we read of Adonijah ["My Lord is Jah"--"Jah" is a shorten form of Jehovah], Isaiah ["Salvation of Jehovah"], Jonathan ["Jehovah Has Given"], Micah ["Who is like Jah?"] Joshua [Jehovah is Salvation"]. Your making God mad by calling him by the wrong name. What language do you think Adam and Eve spoke?"If a man loses pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music in which he hears, however measured, or far away.” Henry David Thoreau
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Adam and Eve spoke the Hebrew Language, so Eve pronounced the Name in her Hebrew language. For instance, John in English, Giovanni in Italian, Juan in Spanish and so forth. Mike in English and Miguel in Spanish. Titles of a person are not names. A person signs a check with his name, not his title. Angels, people, animals, as well as stars and other inanimate things, have names. Would it be consistent for the Creator of all these things to be nameless?
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jnk309 wrote:Adam and Eve spoke the Hebrew Language, so Eve pronounced the Name in her Hebrew language. For instance, John in English, Giovanni in Italian, Juan in Spanish and so forth. Mike in English and Miguel in Spanish. Titles of a person are not names. A person signs a check with his name, not his title. Angels, people, animals, as well as stars and other inanimate things, have names. Would it be consistent for the Creator of all these things to be nameless? Dear Digger I understand Hebrew to be the oldest language; was this the language Adam and Eve spoke? Or is Hebrew first used, to our knowledge, by Moses when he used it to write the Old Testament? — Fransisca of Oberwunsch, Germany
Dear Fransisca,
Archaeologists have uncovered languages that are older than Hebrew. For instance, the Sumerian written language used pictures for words and sounds. Also, ancient Egyptians used pictures called hieroglyphics (hi-ur-uh-GLIFF-icks) to write words and sounds. Later, other languages (like Hebrew) used an alphabet to write words. The earliest form of Hebrew appeared before the time of Moses. So, Hebrew was around when Moses wrote the first five books of the Bible, and it is the language in which most of the Old Testament was written, although some of it was written in Aramaic (Daniel 2-6, and parts of Ezra 4-7). The alphabet of Aramaic looks like Hebrew, but it has different grammar and spelling.
We don't know what language Adam spoke, but he was able to name the animals and communicate with Eve. So, from the very beginning, man was intelligent and spoke a language. He wasn't an ignorant caveman who used grunts to communicate with others.http://www.discoverymaga...gger/d93dd/d9311ddb.html"If a man loses pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music in which he hears, however measured, or far away.” Henry David Thoreau
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So, it is clear the two used his personal NAME in their language.
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jnk309 wrote:So, it is clear the two used his personal NAME in their language. It's clear their language wasn't Hebrew or English."If a man loses pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music in which he hears, however measured, or far away.” Henry David Thoreau
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The question here is, did the two use their Creator's personal name?
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jnk309 wrote:The question here is, did the two use their Creator's personal name? Who can say for certain?
We only have Moses account to go by. Written well after the fact. God told him what to write.
The only evidence you have (as I recall) is Eve naming a child in reference to God's name. You don't even have any biblical evidence that both Adam and Eve used God's name. Only Eve. Right?
Basically, you are making a big deal out of nothing. If God wanted us to use a single name for him he would have said so. And he would have corrected anyone who didn't follow that command. The Bible says nothing about either. Right?
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? - Galatians 4:16
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stevelundgren wrote:jnk309 wrote:The question here is, did the two use their Creator's personal name? Who can say for certain?
We only have Moses account to go by. Written well after the fact. God told him what to write.
The only evidence you have (as I recall) is Eve naming a child in reference to God's name. You don't even have any biblical evidence that both Adam and Eve used God's name. Only Eve. Right?
Basically, you are making a big deal out of nothing. If God wanted us to us a single name for him he would have said so. And he would have corrected anyone who didn't follow that command. The Bible says nothing about either. Right?
Exo 20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain."If a man loses pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music in which he hears, however measured, or far away.” Henry David Thoreau
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That's a good point. The word used there is Jehovah.
And the Israelites actually avoided speaking the name completely to prevent taking it in vain.
Even today, Jews commonly refer to God as HaShem (the Name).
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? - Galatians 4:16
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ISRAELITES ACTUALLY AVOIDED SPEAKING THE NAME COMPLETELY TO PREVENT TAKING IT INTO VAIN: Misapplying the words of the third commandment: "You must not take up the name of Jehovah God in a worthless way," [Exodus 20:7], did not prohibit the "USE" of God's name. Otherwise, why did God's servants such as David USE it so freely and still enjoy Jehovah's blessing? And why did Jehovah pronounce it to Moses and tell Moses to explain to the Israelites who it was that had sent him?--Psalms 18:1-3, 6, 13; Exodus 6:2  . Nevertheless, by Jesus time there was a strong tendency to take the reasonable commands of God and interpret them in a highly unreasonable way. For example, the fourth of the Ten Commandments obligated the Jews to observe the seventh day of each week as a day of rest, a Sabbath. [Exodus 20:8-11] Orthodox Jews took that command to ridiculous lengths, making innumerable rules to govern even the smallest act that could or could not be done on the Sabbath. It was doubtless in the same spirit that they took a reasonable command, that God's name must not be dishonored, to a most unreasonable extreme, saying that the name should not even be pronounced. Would Jesus have followed such an unscriptural tradition? Hardly! He certainly did not hold back from doing works of healing on the Sabbath, even though this meant breaking the man made rules of the Jews and risking his life. [Matthew 12:9-14] In fact, Jesus condemn the Pharisees as hypocrites because their traditions went beyond God's inspired Word. [Matthew 15:1-9] Hence, it is unlikely that he would of held back from pronouncing God's name, especially in view of the fact that his own name Jesus, meant "Jehovah is Salvation."
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Prayer is the most direct communication with God.
Did Jesus direct us to use God's name when addressing him? (No)
Matthew 6:9 “This, then, is how you should pray: “‘Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name,
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? - Galatians 4:16
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