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DNA Evidence now settles once and for all the question of whether British Israelism is a fraud.
British Israelism is a fraud foisted on unsuspecting innocents to enslave people to a cult religion of oppressive insanity.
British Israelism is the idiotic belief proposed by crazy people that the people of the United States and the British Empire are descended from the lost tribes of Israel.
While people who spent any time doing research could find from at least six other sources to disprove it, the DNA evidence proves in absolute terms that British Israelism is wrong, with proof which would stand up in a court of law in Britain or the United States.
The cults founded on British Israelism create false prophecies which continue to fail, year after year, decade after decade.
Meanwhile, cult leaders are false prophets who lie to you and take your money: Their objective is to have power, control, money and the worship of their slaves.
Any religion based on British Israelism is a mind controlling destructive cult which drains their membership mentally, emotionally, psychically, spiritually and monetarily: They cause divisions in families and focus people on obsessing on what they believe to be the Work to end all Works to the Salvation of the World.
The reality is that they become duped losers lost in destructive psychotic fantasies, giving themselves over to narcissists, sociopaths, psychopaths and con men of criminal intent who live in comfort beyond their means, bankrupting their sincere but mislead followers.
DNA clears any misconceptions right up. DNA is but one key which can wipe away the fog in a single stroke.
This site gives you the tools to defeat the weapons of mass delusion utterly, completely and wholly.
You can pursue and overtake the wicked cult leaders aggressively with confidence to leave them bereft of your support and money so they can go out and look for work to support themselves without you providing their allowance to live like kings and gods.
Like the graphic above, (follow link below to see HWA behind bars made of DNA molecules) they are locked in jail because there is no way to escape the DNA evidence or talk their way out of it.
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A link that is not posted just for the purpose of slander(as SL thrives on) but for info on ancient Hebrews(Israel) Nor is it to prove or disprove British Israelism. www.ensignmessage.com/archives/ethnology.html
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It comes from the publishing company of the Latter Day Saints.Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
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Are you claiming that I "thrive on slander"?
Is that not slander to make such a claim?
How can you say your link is not to prove British Israelism?
That would be your purpose in sharing it. Right?
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Intangible wrote:It comes from the publishing company of the Latter Day Saints. Are you sure?
I agree that the LDS have a publication called The ENSIGN.
But this doesn't seem to be connected with that.
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I guess Sonny can't accept the fact that DNA refutes British Israelism.
If he is NOT a part of Israel, (as HWA told him) then he is in eternal peril.
Lost. Without hope.
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stevelundgren wrote:Intangible wrote:It comes from the publishing company of the Latter Day Saints. Are you sure?
I agree that the LDS have a publication called The ENSIGN.
But this doesn't seem to be connected with that.
It may very well not be the same Ensign, it requires further inquiry.Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
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stevelundgren wrote:Are you claiming that I "thrive on slander"?
Is that not slander to make such a claim?
How can you say your link is not to prove British Israelism?
That would be your purpose in sharing it. Right?
Since slander is all you seem to know it is understandable for you to think that is what my purpose was. I clearly stated the link was NOT for that, and I also stated it was not to prove either, but again you can't understand that because of your desire to denounce, slander and berate HWA, the COG and SDA Here is another for information and I realize you and intang will only suspect it as from COG or SDA but that is your problem as I don't know who wrote either link so why not study it from an educational point of view instead of just searching for who as there might be a chance to sling more of your slander. Try it, you might learn something. www.ensignmessage.com/archives/israelsexile.html
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stevelundgren wrote:
I guess Sonny can't accept the fact that DNA refutes British Israelism.
If he is NOT a part of Israel, (as HWA told him) then he is in eternal peril.
Lost. Without hope.
Please quote HWA as you say HE told me?
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sonny35 wrote:stevelundgren wrote:
I guess Sonny can't accept the fact that DNA refutes British Israelism.
If he is NOT a part of Israel, (as HWA told him) then he is in eternal peril.
Lost. Without hope.
Please quote HWA as you say HE told me? Seriously?
LCOG 101
Mystery of the Ages, By Herbert W. Armstrong
Chapter Five - Mystery of Israel
Are you claiming to have never read the LCOG handbook?
If you didn't read it in the Mystery of the Ages, your leaders have been preaching it.
Do you claim to NOT be part of Israel?
Here you are trying to refute a topic about how DNA disproves British Israelism...
And now you pull this crap? Par for the course.
Will you also claim to have never read The United States and Britain in Prophecy?
Or at least the stufrf posted on this forum by Marva?
Currently updated for the COG, but originally written by HWA.
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British-Israelism--True or False?
The most successful proponent of British-Israelism in the 1930's to 1970's was Herbert W. Armstrong.
He claimed that it was possible to identify the American and British people in Biblical prophecies
through the "now discovered Master Key." ...
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stevelundgren wrote:sonny35 wrote:stevelundgren wrote:
I guess Sonny can't accept the fact that DNA refutes British Israelism.
If he is NOT a part of Israel, (as HWA told him) then he is in eternal peril.
Lost. Without hope.
Please quote HWA as you say HE told me? Seriously?
LCOG 101
Mystery of the Ages, By Herbert W. Armstrong
Chapter Five - Mystery of Israel
Are you claiming to have never read the LCOG handbook?
If you didn't read it in the Mystery of the Ages, your leaders have been preaching it.
Do you claim to NOT be part of Israel?
Here you are trying to refute a topic about how DNA disproves British Israelism...
And now you pull this crap? Par for the course.
Will you also claim to have never read The United States and Britain in Prophecy.
Or at least the stufrf posted on this forum by Marva?
Currently updated for the COG, but originally written by HWA.
Yes seriously, if you say someone said something back it up! I'm still waiting for the QUOTE of HWA as you said "HE" told ... I'm sure in your volumes of slander material you can come up with the quote as you say "HE" said. I am not saying there isn't one but you said there is so show me. So it's only one persons article for you and no one elses if of a diff take? To my knowledge neither of the links have anything to do with HWA, COG, LCOG or SDA but that seems to not matter.(AS USUAL) OH yes, don't forget the "QUOTE", "(As HWA told him)" about my eternal peril.
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This is a smoke screen.
Do you claim to NOT be part of Israel? (as defined by the COG)
Why are you here to refute an article about British Israelism if it doesn't apply to you?
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stevelundgren wrote:
This is a smoke screen.
Do you claim to NOT be part of Israel? (as defined by the COG)
Why are you here to refute an article about British Israelism if it doesn't apply to you?
So you were just shooting off your mouth (as usual) and you can't show me the quote. YOU are the one who brought HWA into this topic and said he said (told) in the first place not me, so put of or shut up with the HWA and lets do some real research into who the 12 Tribes of Israel are. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ As far as being an Israelite, I have no idea, no more that you do than you are an Israelite or a Gentile, how do you know as you claim so strongly? Within the COG in the last 40+ years I have many good friends of every race and color so who are the gentiles and who are the Israelites? And if you were not so fanatically obsessed almost to the point of becoming deranged you might learn something but EVERYTHING is HWA,COG etc. as you just had to bring him into as with the, "as he told" me! I read your source on DNA and "Western Europeans, Britian and the U.S. are not related to the Jews". How did your source know his DNA came from the Tribe of Judah? All "JEWS" are not of the Tribe of Judah no more than you or I know of what lineage we are, Israelite/Gentile and there are articles that state the dark swarthy Jews of today are not of the Tribe of Judah but are called Jews because of their religion. Here is a link of what I am speaking of, Jew/Judah. www.ensignmessage.com/archives/hebrew2.htmlAs for the BritAm writings of any, that can not be proved, it is known that the 12 Tribes of Israel are still in existance today as Rev.7 clearly points out and thats it. My research as been thru looking into the phy features of the Nordic (Nordish) peoples though now scattered throughout the world and becoming mixed more and more they are unique to the rest of the races and are still mostly concentrated in North Western Europe,and the Nordish can be traced as originaly migrating from the Mediterranean area into North Western Europe. The Israelite slaves are shown with their masters on the ancient paintings of the Babylonians as light skinned and redish hair, and the same for Egypt. I am and have been doing research for quite some time, NOT to prove BritAm right or wrong but to really search out the Israel/Gentile. You always claim Gentile, I do not know which I am of, I do know that I am of Nordish features not Oriental etc, I also know it makes no diff to God or the COG as you say HWA told me. The links I posted are as I have found in my research and are not to prove or disprove anything. If that is not what you want and only created the Topic to slam HWA,COG,etc. just say so.
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sonny35 wrote:stevelundgren wrote:
This is a smoke screen.
Do you claim to NOT be part of Israel? (as defined by the COG)
Why are you here to refute an article about British Israelism if it doesn't apply to you?
So you were just shooting off your mouth (as usual) and you can't show me the quote. YOU are the one who brought HWA into this topic and said he said (told) in the first place not me, so put of or shut up with the HWA and lets do some real research into who the 12 Tribes of Israel are. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ As far as being an Israelite, I have no idea, no more that you do than you are an Israelite or a Gentile, how do you know as you claim so strongly? Within the COG in the last 40+ years I have many good friends of every race and color so who are the gentiles and who are the Israelites? And if you were not so fanatically obsessed almost to the point of becoming deranged you might learn something but EVERYTHING is HWA,COG etc. as you just had to bring him into as with the, "as he told" me! I read your source on DNA and "Western Europeans, Britian and the U.S. are not related to the Jews". How did your source know his DNA came from the Tribe of Judah? All "JEWS" are not of the Tribe of Judah no more than you or I know of what lineage we are, Israelite/Gentile and there are articles that state the dark swarthy Jews of today are not of the Tribe of Judah but are called Jews because of their religion. Here is a link of what I am speaking of, Jew/Judah. www.ensignmessage.com/archives/hebrew2.htmlAs for the BritAm writings of any, that can not be proved, it is known that the 12 Tribes of Israel are still in existance today as Rev.7 clearly points out and thats it. My research as been thru looking into the phy features of the Nordic (Nordish) peoples though now scattered throughout the world and becoming mixed more and more they are unique to the rest of the races and are still mostly concentrated in North Western Europe,and the Nordish can be traced as originaly migrating from the Mediterranean area into North Western Europe. The Israelite slaves are shown with their masters on the ancient paintings of the Babylonians as light skinned and redish hair, and the same for Egypt. I am and have been doing research for quite some time, NOT to prove BritAm right or wrong but to really search out the Israel/Gentile. You always claim Gentile, I do not know which I am of, I do know that I am of Nordish features not Oriental etc, I also know it makes no diff to God or the COG as you say HWA told me. The links I posted are as I have found in my research and are not to prove or disprove anything. If that is not what you want and only created the Topic to slam HWA,COG,etc. just say so. Almost forgot, the "QUOTE" and also proof you are a gentile as you claim.
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Mitochondrial DNA "As far as being an Israelite, I have no idea, no more that you do than you are an Israelite or a Gentile, how do you know as you claim so strongly? Within the COG in the last 40+ years I have many good friends of every race and color so who are the gentiles and who are the Israelites? And if you were not so fanatically obsessed almost to the point of becoming deranged you might learn something but EVERYTHING is HWA,COG etc. as you just had to bring him into as with the, "as he told" me! I read your source on DNA and "Western Europeans, Britian and the U.S. are not related to the Jews". How did your source know his DNA came from the Tribe of Judah? All "JEWS" are not of the Tribe of Judah no more than you or I know of what lineage we are, Israelite/Gentile and there are articles that state the dark swarthy Jews of today are not of the Tribe of Judah but are called Jews because of their religion. Here is a link of what I am speaking of, Jew/Judah." Mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) is the DNA located in organelles called mitochondria, structures within eukaryotic cells that convert the chemical energy from food into a form that cells can use, adenosine triphosphate (ATP). Most other DNA present in eukaryotic organisms is found in the cell nucleus.
Mitochondrial DNA can be regarded as the smallest chromosome, and was the first significant part of the human genome to be sequenced. In most species, including humans, mtDNA is inherited solely from the mother.
The DNA sequence of mtDNA has been determined from a large number of organisms and individuals (including some organisms that are extinct), and the comparison of those DNA sequences represents a mainstay of phylogenetics, in that it allows biologists to elucidate the evolutionary relationships among species. It also permits an examination of the relatedness of populations, and so has become important in anthropology and field biology.Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
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Intangible wrote:Mitochondrial DNA "As far as being an Israelite, I have no idea, no more that you do than you are an Israelite or a Gentile, how do you know as you claim so strongly? Within the COG in the last 40+ years I have many good friends of every race and color so who are the gentiles and who are the Israelites? And if you were not so fanatically obsessed almost to the point of becoming deranged you might learn something but EVERYTHING is HWA,COG etc. as you just had to bring him into as with the, "as he told" me! I read your source on DNA and "Western Europeans, Britian and the U.S. are not related to the Jews". How did your source know his DNA came from the Tribe of Judah? All "JEWS" are not of the Tribe of Judah no more than you or I know of what lineage we are, Israelite/Gentile and there are articles that state the dark swarthy Jews of today are not of the Tribe of Judah but are called Jews because of their religion. Here is a link of what I am speaking of, Jew/Judah." Mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) is the DNA located in organelles called mitochondria, structures within eukaryotic cells that convert the chemical energy from food into a form that cells can use, adenosine triphosphate (ATP). Most other DNA present in eukaryotic organisms is found in the cell nucleus.
Mitochondrial DNA can be regarded as the smallest chromosome, and was the first significant part of the human genome to be sequenced. In most species, including humans, mtDNA is inherited solely from the mother.
The DNA sequence of mtDNA has been determined from a large number of organisms and individuals (including some organisms that are extinct), and the comparison of those DNA sequences represents a mainstay of phylogenetics, in that it allows biologists to elucidate the evolutionary relationships among species. It also permits an examination of the relatedness of populations, and so has become important in anthropology and field biology. "Evolutionary" relationships among species? Don't believe in evolution (EVILution) but thanks for the info. (for whatever it is supposed to be telling me???)
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sonny35 wrote:[quote=stevelundgren]
This is a smoke screen.
Do you claim to NOT be part of Israel? (as defined by the COG)
Why are you here to refute an article about British Israelism if it doesn't apply to you?
So you were just shooting off your mouth (as usual) and you can't show me the quote. YOU are the one who brought HWA into this topic and said he said (told) in the first place not me, so put of or shut up with the HWA and lets do some real research into who the 12 Tribes of Israel are. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ As far as being an Israelite, I have no idea, no more that you do than you are an Israelite or a Gentile, how do you know as you claim so strongly? Within the COG in the last 40+ years I have many good friends of every race and color so who are the gentiles and who are the Israelites? And if you were not so fanatically obsessed almost to the point of becoming deranged you might learn something but EVERYTHING is HWA,COG etc. as you just had to bring him into as with the, "as he told" me! I read your source on DNA and "Western Europeans, Britian and the U.S. are not related to the Jews". How did your source know his DNA came from the Tribe of Judah? All "JEWS" are not of the Tribe of Judah no more than you or I know of what lineage we are, Israelite/Gentile and there are articles that state the dark swarthy Jews of today are not of the Tribe of Judah but are called Jews because of their religion. Here is a link of what I am speaking of, Jew/Judah. www.ensignmessage.com/archives/hebrew2.htmlAs for the BritAm writings of any, that can not be proved, it is known that the 12 Tribes of Israel are still in existance today as Rev.7 clearly points out and thats it. My research as been thru looking into the phy features of the Nordic (Nordish) peoples though now scattered throughout the world and becoming mixed more and more they are unique to the rest of the races and are still mostly concentrated in North Western Europe,and the Nordish can be traced as originaly migrating from the Mediterranean area into North Western Europe. The Israelite slaves are shown with their masters on the ancient paintings of the Babylonians as light skinned and redish hair, and the same for Egypt. I am and have been doing research for quite some time, NOT to prove BritAm right or wrong but to really search out the Israel/Gentile. You always claim Gentile, I do not know which I am of, I do know that I am of Nordish features not Oriental etc, I also know it makes no diff to God or the COG as you say HWA told me. The links I posted are as I have found in my research and are not to prove or disprove anything. If that is not what you want and only created the Topic to slam HWA,COG,etc. just say so. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wonder why this topic has been dropped like a hot potato by its starter? Could it be he has not the quote he mouthed off as ask for or maybe he has come to realize or think he just may be an Israelite himself? Makes one wonder?
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sonny35 wrote:So you were just shooting off your mouth (as usual) and you can't show me the quote... I never said there was a quote. If you want to deny it you can.
However you already said this:
"I am not saying there isn't one but you said there is so show me." - Sonny
So if I never claimed there was a quote and you are not denying there is such, why do you ask?
Just to be a pain in the rear? Classic Internet troll behaviour on your part.
If you don't believe that the LCOG claim of being part of Israel originated with HWA as I inferred...
Then tell us what the real source is?
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stevelundgren wrote:sonny35 wrote:So you were just shooting off your mouth (as usual) and you can't show me the quote... I never said there was a quote. If you want to deny it you can.
However you already said this:
"I am not saying there isn't one but you said there is so show me." - Sonny
So if I never claimed there was a quote and you are not denying there is such, why do you ask?
Just to be a pain in the rear? Classic Internet troll behaviour on your part.
If you don't believe that the LCOG claim of being part of Israel originated with HWA as I inferred...
Then tell us what the real source is?
"As HWA told him" Show or quote me the source for your "As HWA told.." Do you know of a serman or a writing of as "HWA told..." about my eternal peril? Why did my eternal peril even have to be injected into your DNA topic? Hmmm? Or were you as I said before just shooting off your big mouth to slander HWA as usual. So tell us the real source of your HWA told him or anyone???
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