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stevelundgren wrote:
Intangible is right about you.
You create paper tigers out of nothing and then rant and rave.
You know nothing of the truth.
In your falsehood you define an "untrue statement" as a lie.
You make a paper tiger of something you consider an error.
You are free to disagree with a statement.
But when you call someone a liar over a difference of opinion, you bear false witness.
- Did you not put yourself under law?
- Are you not liable to the whole law?
- Did you not violate the TC with your bearing of false witness?
You are not angry because I told a "lie".
You are angry because I told the truth.
- You do in fact consider yourself a part of Israel. (as defined by the COG)
- HWA is in fact the source of that belief.
Who is the real liar and deceiver here? Not me.
You are the maker of paper tigers.
Illusions and deception.
So, "If he is NOT a part of Israel,(as HWA told him)then he is in eternal peril. Lost. Without hope." Is that a statement to be considered just an error? A differince of opinion? AND NOW, "You do in fact consider yourself a part of Israel" So you now say, THAT is a FACT ??? Have I not before said I do not know nor can I prove of which lineage I am, Gentile or Israelite??? And you now add to your lying by saying "You do in fact consider yourself a part of Israel" I have NEVER said that or even IMPLIED that about myself! Is this statement also an illusion??? It is YOU who knows nothing of the truth and you prove it more and more with every twisting post as this "You do in FACT......." one!!! You really should seek counseling about your continuous making of untrue statements (lying) as being truth and now as you claim, fact!!! 
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sonny35 wrote:[quote=stevelundgren]
Intangible is right about you.
You create paper tigers out of nothing and then rant and rave.
You know nothing of the truth.
In your falsehood you define an "untrue statement" as a lie.
You make a paper tiger of something you consider an error.
You are free to disagree with a statement.
But when you call someone a liar over a difference of opinion, you bear false witness.
- Did you not put yourself under law?
- Are you not liable to the whole law?
- Did you not violate the TC with your bearing of false witness?
You are not angry because I told a "lie".
You are angry because I told the truth.
- You do in fact consider yourself a part of Israel. (as defined by the COG)
- HWA is in fact the source of that belief.
Who is the real liar and deceiver here? Not me.
You are the maker of paper tigers.
Illusions and deception.
So, "If he is NOT a part of Israel,(as HWA told him)then he is in eternal peril. Lost. Without hope." Is that a statement to be considered just an error? A differince of opinion? AND NOW, "You do in fact consider yourself a part of Israel" So you now say, THAT is a FACT ??? Have I not before said I do not know nor can I prove of which lineage I am, Gentile or Israelite??? And you now add to your lying by saying "You do in fact consider yourself a part of Israel" I have NEVER said that or even IMPLIED that about myself! Is this statement also an illusion??? It is YOU who knows nothing of the truth and you prove it more and more with every twisting post as this "You do in FACT......." one!!! You really should seek counseling about your continuous making of untrue statements (lying) as being truth and now as you claim, fact!!!
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The Painful Truth What Is Armstrongism?
By M.A.M. Here, in a nutshell, are the tenets of Armstrongism, what Herbert W. Armstrong taught during his lifetime.
1. The most important teaching in Armstrong's belief system is that Herbert W. Armstrong was the prophesied end-time Elijah. As the end-time Elijah, Armstrong was preparing the way for Christ's return by announcing Christ's imminent return. According to Armstrong, true Christianity was suppressed by the Babylonian Mystery Religion, which hijacked the true church and changed it into a counterfeit Christianity, which eventually became the Roman Catholic Church. God sent Herbert W. Armstrong to earth to restore the true religion and true church. Armstrong was also given a special insight into prophecy. He predicted that the end of the age would come in a few short years, with Jesus Christ returning and setting up the Kingdom of God on earth. Throughout his ministry of over 50 years, Armstrong predicted the end of the age in a few short years. As you are well aware, the end of the age did not occur during Armstrong lifetime, nor in the fifteen years since. But for Armstrong, the end of the age was always a few short years away.
2. Next in importance was Herbert's teachings on government. God's government is a pyramidal structure. God the Father is on top of the pyramid and is the ruler of the universe. Second in command is Jesus Christ, who occupies a subordinate position. Third, under Jesus Christ was Herbert W. Armstrong himself. He was the human leader of the church under Jesus Christ, who was the true head of the true church. All members of the church were subject to the edicts of Herbert W. Armstrong, who, as the third highest ranking being in the entire universe, was the mouthpiece of Jesus Christ. He served as a latter-day Moses, sitting in Moses' seat, passing on the words of God down through the pyramid to the members of the church. Authority was from the top down, and loyalty was from the bottom up.
3. The third most important doctrine of Armstrongism is tithing. Members were required to pay three tithes. The "first tithe" was paid by the entire membership, including the ministry, and it was used for the general operation of the church. The members saved a "second tithe" to pay their expenses at the church's annual festivals. Whatever was left over was to be turned over to the church. Ministers were exempted from saving second tithe. Their expenses at the church festivals were paid using the excess second tithe funds turned over to the church by the lay members. The "third tithe" was paid every third and sixth year of a seven year cycle.
4. The mark that identified a true Christian was his observance of the Sabbath and the Old Testament Holy Days. The fourth commandment is the test commandment. Just as dog has to sit and roll over in order to receive his reward for obedience, true Christians have to keep the Sabbath and High Holy Days in order to be saved, even if it means losing a job or even a career. The Sabbath identifies the true Christian. Sunday keeping is the mark of the beast. A person could feed the poor, care for the sick, never harbor an evil thought, pray daily, read the Bible continuously, but if he didn't keep the Sabbath, he wasn't a Christian. The Sabbath keeper might wonder, "Mr. Armstrong says that only Sabbath-keepers are true Christians. But this person exhibits all of the fruits of the Holy Spirit, and he worships on Sunday. Maybe he is a true Christian after all. Maybe his church is a Christian church." Not true. He is an instrument of Satan the devil, a decoy used to lure people away from the true, Sabbath keeping church.
5. True Christians watch their diets. They follow the Old Testament food laws. They do not eat pork or shell fish. To do so is to commit "physical sin," which causes the "physical sinner" to come down with all sorts of sickness and diseases. True Christians don't eat pork. Only the counterfeit ones do.
6. Jesus Christ came to earth to warn humanity about the imminent return of the Kingdom of God. He was the savior, to be sure, but that was not his primary purpose. He came to earth to announce the soon to come any minute now Kingdom of God. After he ascended into heaven, Jesus' mantle was taken up by the Apostles. They didn't preach a gospel about Christ, they preached the gospel OF Christ, the same gospel that Jesus preached. They, too, preached a message of warning, telling those who had ears to hear that the present age would soon come to an end, and that they had better repent and believe the gospel, or they would end up going through the Great Tribulation.
7. God is not a trinity. The trinity concept was borrowed from paganism and is satanically inspired. It is a counterfeit used by Satan the Devil to hide the truth about man's true destiny. God is actually a family. God the Father is the head of the family. Jesus Christ is the first-born Son of God the Father. It is the ultimate destiny of all of mankind to become members of the God family, to become God as God is God.
8. The nation of Israel has descended through the past two millennia and become the United States and Great Britain. Upon the death of King Solomon, the Kingdom of Israel split into two separate kingdoms. The Kingdom of Judah consisted of the tribes of Judah, Benjamin and Levi and remained loyal to Solomon son Rehoboam, with their capital at Jerusalem. The remaining ten tribes formed the separate Kingdom of Israel under Jeroboam, an official in King Solomon's administration. Their capital was in Samaria. The Kingdom of Israel was conquered by the Assyrians and forced to move to what is now northern Turkey. Eventually, they migrated through the Caucasus Mountains, the Ukraine, eastern Europe, and eventually ended up in Western Europe.
The tribes of Ephraim and Manasseh ended up in the British Isles. From there, the tribe of Manasseh migrated to North America and became the United States. Part of the tribe of Ephraim stayed put. But some of the tribe migrated to South Africa, Australia, New Zealand, and the other outposts of the British Empire. When Jacob, whose name God had changed to Israel, was on his deathbed, he blessed the two sons of his favorite son Joseph. In his blessing he said "let my name be named on them." Therefore, whenever you see a reference to Israel in a prophecy, it actually applies to the United States and the British Empire, because the name of Israel was given to Ephraim and Manasseh.
Proof of this truth is found in the origin of the name "British." The Hebrew word for "covenant" is "beriyth," or "berith." The Hebrew word for man is "iysh" or "ish." The house of Israel is the covenant people. The Hebrew words "berith" and "ish" mean "covenant man." Put them together and, presto!, you get the word "British," because the British are Israel, the covenant people.
9. All prophecy in the Bible is dual. Each prophecy has two applications: an ancient one and a modern one. For example, the prophecy of an Elijah to come before the coming of Jesus Christ was only partially and imperfectly fulfilled by John the Baptist. He prepared the way for the human Christ's three and a half year ministry on this earth, after which he died, was resurrected, and ascended into heaven. It was fully and perfectly fulfilled by Herbert W. Armstrong, who prepared the way for Christ's second coming as a spirit being to restore the Kingdom of God in power and glory for all time. The first fulfillment of prophecy is imperfect and physical. The second fulfillment is perfect and spiritual.
10. Many events will occur during the end times. As mentioned above, the people of the United States and Great Britain, because they don't observe the Sabbath and obey God's law, will be taken into captivity by an Assyro-German led resurrected Roman Empire as punishment for their sins. They will be in captivity for three and a half years. This is the Great Tribulation. Because of war, famine, disease and false religion, two thirds of the world's population will perish during this period.http://www.hwarmstrong.com/armstrongism.htmNever argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
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Worldwide Church of God - Armstrongism
General Information
This group founded by Herbert W Armstrong has been made famous by his magazine, The Plain Truth, and radio broadcast, "The World Tomorrow." Its full name is the Worldwide Church of God, which has its headquarters at Ambassador College in Pasadena. Armstrongism is a blend of prophetic interpretation which applies a version of the teaching of British Israelitism to the American situation and a variety of other doctrines culled from Adventists and Jehovah's Witnesses. Recently Armstrongism has been shaken by internal disputes between Herbert W Armstrong and his son Garner Ted. These involve accusations of widespread immorality and corruption.
I Hexham
(Elwell Evangelical Dictionary)
Bibliography
R R Chambers, The Plain Truth about Armstrongism; M E Jones, ed., Ambassador Report; L F Deboer, The New Pharisaism; J Tuit, The Truth Shall Make You Free.
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Worldwide Church of God - Armstrongism
Additional Information
The article above was written around 1990. Armstrong had died in 1986, and Joseph Tkach, Sr., then led the Church. In the succeeding years, the core Church has initiated a great number of changes, particularly in a number of its core beliefs. For this reason, Armstrong's original Church (since 1968 called the Worldwide Church of God) has separated itself from the beliefs of Armstrongism. The two must now be considered separate entities.
Armstrongism Now
Armstrongism still endures in a wide and varied assortment of splinter groups that have broken off of the core Church over the years. Two of the largest of these are Garner Ted Armstrong's Church of God International (1978) and the United Church of God (1995).
Most traditional Christians consider Armstrongism to be a cult. The reliance on a modern person to be a source of Prophetic insight (which Armstrong never actually claimed), the "triple tithe" (10% for regular giving; 10% for benevolent support; and 10% for an annual Feast), very rigid Sabbath-keeping attitudes, and an insularity from all other Christian Churches and organizations which are considered Satan-driven, are some of the reasons for this common opinion that Armstrongism is not truly Christian. In addition, Armstrong believed that there was not just one God but two, he did not believe in the Trinity, and he believed that all Church members will some day attain Godhood are similarly considered non-Christian. Many controlling attitudes toward behavior are also part of Armstrongism beliefs, specifying lengths of hair, styles of clothing, etc., no holiday celebrations, no divorce, no smoking
The Worldwide Church of God Now
The core Church, the Worldwide Church of God, came to realize that many of Armstrong's teachings and beliefs were not Biblical. As a result, beginning in early 1995, those beliefs were rejected and more orthodox Christian beliefs accepted in their place. Strict examination of every aspect of belief and practice has been instituted, for compatibility with Scripture. As a result, many long-held, central beliefs have been reversed. The Worldwide Church of God has now entered a path much closer to true Christianity. The regular reference to it as a cult has disappeared and it is now generally considered on a path to become a solid Protestant Christian Church.
These changes in teachings have been enormous. The almost entire reversal of position on a number of core beliefs and practices has seriously shaken the Church. Many pastors and members have left as a result, often to form or join a splinter Armstrongism group. Where membership had been 145,000 worldwide (89,000 in the US) during the late 1980s, these numerous departures have resulted in a current Church of around half that size, around 75,000 worldwide (49,000 in the US). These reductions have greatly reduced the Church's income and cash flow, and it seems to be financially struggling now.
Joseph Tkach has even issued a broad apology on behalf of the Church collectively, regarding past errors in incorrect and misleading teachings. If, in the long run, this Church survives its changes, it will likely represent one of the most striking transformations in the history of Christianity.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The individual articles presented here were generally first published in the early 1980s. This subject presentation was first placed on the Internet in May 1997. This page - - Armstrongism - Worldwide Church of God - - is at http://www.mb-soft.com/believe/text/armstron.htm
This subject presentation was last updated on 07/10/2011 16:04:04 Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
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POST #12 sonny35 wrote:... I'm still waiting for the QUOTE of HWA as you said "HE" told ...
I am not saying there isn't one but you said there is so show me... POST #30 sonny35 wrote:... I claim he did not and never made such a statement as you claim, "as HWA told him"...
And if you can quote the source of your statement, then I will apologize. Will you if you can't??? POST #62 sonny35 wrote:... You really should seek counseling about your continuous making of untrue statements (lying) as being truth and now as you claim... Sonny defines "lying" as an untrue statement.
Two of his statements above are in conflict. Here they are.
"I claim he did not and never made such a statement as you claim..." - Sonny
"I am not saying there isn't one but you said there is so show me..." - Sonny
One of these statements is untrue and therefore by Sonny's definition, "a lie".
Either HWA "made a statement as I claim", or he "never made a statement as I claim".
Which is it?
Ironically, I never claimed that HWA made such a statement.
That is a paper tiger created by Sonny.
Herbert W. Armstrong is the source of British Israelism in the COG.
This is common knowledge. See Intangible's posts above.
Just so we are clear.
I'm not calling Sonny a liar.
His own definition of "lying" has done that.
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? - Galatians 4:16
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stevelundgren wrote:POST #12 sonny35 wrote:... I'm still waiting for the QUOTE of HWA as you said "HE" told ...
I am not saying there isn't one but you said there is so show me... POST #30 sonny35 wrote:... I claim he did not and never made such a statement as you claim, "as HWA told him"...
And if you can quote the source of your statement, then I will apologize. Will you if you can't??? POST #62 sonny35 wrote:... You really should seek counseling about your continuous making of untrue statements (lying) as being truth and now as you claim... Sonny defines "lying" as an untrue statement.
Two of his statements above are in conflict. Here they are.
"I claim he did not and never made such a statement as you claim..." - Sonny
"I am not saying there isn't one but you said there is so show me..." - Sonny
One of these statements is untrue and therefore by Sonny's definition, "a lie".
Either HWA "made a statement as I claim", or he "never made a statement as I claim".
Which is it?
Ironically, I never claimed that HWA made such a statement.
That is a paper tiger created by Sonny.
Herbert W. Armstrong is the source of British Israelism in the COG.
This is common knowledge. See Intangible's posts above.
Just so we are clear.
I'm not calling Sonny a liar.
His own definition of "lying" has done that.
Yep, exactly, I "claim" he did not and never made such a statement, I am not saying there isn't one but you stated "If he is NOT a part of Israel (as HWA told him) then he is in eternal peril. Lost. without hope". So show me ??? And now you say "Ironically,I never claimed that HWA made such a statement" ?????????? FROM WHERE DID YOU GET THE STATEMENT YOU NEVER MADE ??? AND NOW YOU STATE; "YOU DO IN FACT CONSIDER YOURSELF A PART OF ISRAEL" I do in FACT consider myself a part of Israel ??? NOW just from where did you get this one ??? (Maybe this is another statement you made you ironically never made ???) Just what is your problem ??? What is driving you to continue with these unfounded and untrue statements you make you ironically never make ???
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sonny35 wrote:stevelundgren wrote:POST #12 sonny35 wrote:... I'm still waiting for the QUOTE of HWA as you said "HE" told ...
I am not saying there isn't one but you said there is so show me... POST #30 sonny35 wrote:... I claim he did not and never made such a statement as you claim, "as HWA told him"...
And if you can quote the source of your statement, then I will apologize. Will you if you can't??? POST #62 [quote=sonny35]... You really should seek counseling about your continuous making of untrue statements (lying) as being truth and now as you claim... Sonny defines "lying" as an untrue statement.
Two of his statements above are in conflict. Here they are.
"I claim he did not and never made such a statement as you claim..." - Sonny
"I am not saying there isn't one but you said there is so show me..." - Sonny
One of these statements is untrue and therefore by Sonny's definition, "a lie".
Either HWA "made a statement as I claim", or he "never made a statement as I claim".
Which is it?
Ironically, I never claimed that HWA made such a statement.
That is a paper tiger created by Sonny.
Herbert W. Armstrong is the source of British Israelism in the COG.
This is common knowledge. See Intangible's posts above.
Just so we are clear.
I'm not calling Sonny a liar.
His own definition of "lying" has done that.
Yep, exactly, I "claim" he did not and never made such a statement, I am not saying there isn't one but you stated "If he is NOT a part of Israel (as HWA told him) then he is in eternal peril. Lost. without hope". So show me ??? And now you say "Ironically,I never claimed that HWA made such a statement" ?????????? FROM WHERE DID YOU GET THE STATEMENT YOU NEVER MADE ??? AND NOW YOU STATE; "YOU DO IN FACT CONSIDER YOURSELF A PART OF ISRAEL" I do in FACT consider myself a part of Israel ??? NOW just from where did you get this one ??? (Maybe this is another statement you made you ironically never made ???) Just what is your problem ??? What is driving you to continue with these unfounded and untrue statements you make you ironically never make ???  
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stevelundgren wrote:POST #12 sonny35 wrote:... I'm still waiting for the QUOTE of HWA as you said "HE" told ...
I am not saying there isn't one but you said there is so show me... POST #30 sonny35 wrote:... I claim he did not and never made such a statement as you claim, "as HWA told him"...
And if you can quote the source of your statement, then I will apologize. Will you if you can't??? POST #62 sonny35 wrote:... You really should seek counseling about your continuous making of untrue statements (lying) as being truth and now as you claim... Sonny defines "lying" as an untrue statement.
Two of his statements above are in conflict. Here they are.
"I claim he did not and never made such a statement as you claim..." - Sonny
"I am not saying there isn't one but you said there is so show me..." - Sonny
One of these statements is untrue and therefore by Sonny's definition, "a lie".
Either HWA "made a statement as I claim", or he "never made a statement as I claim".
Which is it?
Ironically, I never claimed that HWA made such a statement.
That is a paper tiger created by Sonny.
Herbert W. Armstrong is the source of British Israelism in the COG.
This is common knowledge. See Intangible's posts above.
Just so we are clear.
I'm not calling Sonny a liar.
His own definition of "lying" has done that.
Yep, exactly, I "claim" he did not and never made such a statement, I am not saying there isn't one but you stated "If he is NOT a part of Israel (as HWA told him) then he is in eternal peril. Lost. without hope". So show me ??? And now you say "Ironically,I never claimed that HWA made such a statement" ?????????? FROM WHERE DID YOU GET THE STATEMENT YOU NEVER MADE ??? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ In Post #14 I clearly stated: "...to really search out the Israel/Gentile....I DO NOT KNOW WHICH I AM OF..." AND NOW YOU STATE IN YOUR POST #58; "YOU DO IN FACT CONSIDER YOURSELF A PART OF ISRAEL" I do in FACT consider myself a part of Israel ??? NOW just from where did you get this one ??? (Maybe this is another statement you made you ironically never made ???) Just what is your problem ???
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Intangible wrote:The core Church, the Worldwide Church of God, came to realize that many of Armstrong's teachings and beliefs were not Biblical. As a result, beginning in early 1995, those beliefs were rejected and more orthodox Christian beliefs accepted in their place. Strict examination of every aspect of belief and practice has been instituted, for compatibility with Scripture. As a result, many long-held, central beliefs have been reversed. The Worldwide Church of God has now entered a path much closer to true Christianity. The regular reference to it as a cult has disappeared and it is now generally considered on a path to become a solid Protestant Christian Church.
These changes in teachings have been enormous. The almost entire reversal of position on a number of core beliefs and practices has seriously shaken the Church. Many pastors and members have left as a result, often to form or join a splinter Armstrongism group.
Thanks for the link and information Intangible. This only adds to the mountain of evidence that the COG was and still is in many ways nothing more than a cult. While many of the members left the original church led by Armstrong, Meredith and the rest of his ilk, it's still not enough and sad too see some folks are just so brainwashed that they can't see or refuse to accept Gods word without Armstrong's personal interpretations or influence. These folks aren't hard to recognize, their the ones who sling all the mud here and create paper tiger's as you have properly pointed out. Common Internet trolls who still support Armstrong's teachings and false man-made doctrines and for some reason believe that the only way to feel good about their beliefs is to run down all other people who may have a different opinion than theirs. They love to claim "they" are the only "true christians" on the planet and at the same time come across full of hate for anyone that dares stands up to their mountians of lies and false doctrinal teachings. I used to feel sorry for them but not anymore.
Personally, I would never listen to anyone who endorses man-made doctrines but I would especially reject any and all biblical teachings that came out of the mouth of a drunken child molester. Then again, that's just me.
Sarge
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sarge wrote:Intangible wrote:The core Church, the Worldwide Church of God, came to realize that many of Armstrong's teachings and beliefs were not Biblical. As a result, beginning in early 1995, those beliefs were rejected and more orthodox Christian beliefs accepted in their place. Strict examination of every aspect of belief and practice has been instituted, for compatibility with Scripture. As a result, many long-held, central beliefs have been reversed. The Worldwide Church of God has now entered a path much closer to true Christianity. The regular reference to it as a cult has disappeared and it is now generally considered on a path to become a solid Protestant Christian Church.
These changes in teachings have been enormous. The almost entire reversal of position on a number of core beliefs and practices has seriously shaken the Church. Many pastors and members have left as a result, often to form or join a splinter Armstrongism group.
Thanks for the link and information Intangible. This only adds to the mountain of evidence that the COG was and still is in many ways nothing more than a cult. While many of the members left the original church led by Armstrong, Meredith and the rest of his ilk, it's still not enough and sad too see some folks are just so brainwashed that they can't see or refuse to accept Gods word without Armstrong's personal interpretations or influence. These folks aren't hard to recognize, their the ones who sling all the mud here and create paper tiger's as you have properly pointed out. Common Internet trolls who still support Armstrong's teachings and false man-made doctrines and for some reason believe that the only way to feel good about their beliefs is to run down all other people who may have a different opinion than theirs. They love to claim "they" are the only "true christians" on the planet and at the same time come across full of hate for anyone that dares stands up to their mountians of lies and false doctrinal teachings. I used to feel sorry for them but not anymore.
Personally, I would never listen to anyone who endorses man-made doctrines but I would especially reject any and all biblical teachings that came out of the mouth of a drunken child molester. Then again, that's just me.
Sarge
If you are one who observes the RCC's Xmass, easter and weekly sundays then you should not speak of your POPE like that
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stevelundgren wrote:POST #12 sonny35 wrote:... I'm still waiting for the QUOTE of HWA as you said "HE" told ...
I am not saying there isn't one but 'you' said there is so show me... POST #30 sonny35 wrote:... I claim he did not and never made such a statement as you claim, "as HWA told him"...
And if you can quote the source of your statement, then I will apologize. Will you if you can't??? POST #62 sonny35 wrote:... You really should seek counseling about your continuous making of untrue statements (lying) as being truth and now as you claim... Sonny defines "lying" as an untrue statement.
Two of his statements above are in conflict. Here they are.
"I claim he did not and never made such a statement as you claim..." - Sonny
"I am not saying there isn't one but you said there is so show me..." - Sonny
One of these statements is untrue and therefore by Sonny's definition, "a lie".
Either HWA "made a statement as I claim", or he "never made a statement as I claim".
Which is it?
Ironically, I never claimed that HWA made such a statement.
That is a paper tiger created by Sonny.
Herbert W. Armstrong is the source of British Israelism in the COG.
This is common knowledge. See Intangible's posts above.
Just so we are clear.
I'm not calling Sonny a liar.
His own definition of "lying" has done that.
Yep, exactly, I "claim" he did not and never made such a statement, I am not saying there isn't one but you stated "If he is NOT a part of Israel (as HWA told him) then he is in eternal peril. Lost. without hope". So show me ??? (nothing untrue, no conflict of statement, sorry) And now you say "Ironically,I never claimed that HWA made such a statement" ?????????? FROM WHERE DID YOU GET THE STATEMENT YOU NEVER MADE ??? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ In Post #14 I clearly stated: "...to really search out the Israel/Gentile....I DO NOT KNOW WHICH I AM OF..." AND NOW YOU STATE IN YOUR POST #58; "YOU DO IN FACT CONSIDER YOURSELF A PART OF ISRAEL" I do in FACT consider myself a part of Israel ??? NOW just from where did you get this one ??? (Maybe this is another statement you made you ironically never made ???) Just what was the reason for that claim??
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Sonny35 wrote:stevelundgren wrote:POST #12 sonny35 wrote:... I'm still waiting for the QUOTE of HWA as you said "HE" told ...
I am not saying there isn't one but 'you' said there is so show me... POST #30 sonny35 wrote:... I claim he did not and never made such a statement as you claim, "as HWA told him"...
And if you can quote the source of your statement, then I will apologize. Will you if you can't??? POST #62 sonny35 wrote:... You really should seek counseling about your continuous making of untrue statements (lying) as being truth and now as you claim... Sonny defines "lying" as an untrue statement.
Two of his statements above are in conflict. Here they are.
"I claim he did not and never made such a statement as you claim..." - Sonny
"I am not saying there isn't one but you said there is so show me..." - Sonny
One of these statements is untrue and therefore by Sonny's definition, "a lie".
Either HWA "made a statement as I claim", or he "never made a statement as I claim".
Which is it?
Ironically, I never claimed that HWA made such a statement.
That is a paper tiger created by Sonny.
Herbert W. Armstrong is the source of British Israelism in the COG.
This is common knowledge. See Intangible's posts above.
Just so we are clear.
I'm not calling Sonny a liar.
His own definition of "lying" has done that.
Yep, exactly, I "claim" he did not and never made such a statement, I am not saying there isn't one but you stated "If he is NOT a part of Israel (as HWA told him) then he is in eternal peril. Lost. without hope". So show me ??? (nothing untrue, no conflict of statement, sorry) And now you say "Ironically,I never claimed that HWA made such a statement" ?????????? FROM WHERE DID YOU GET THE STATEMENT YOU NEVER MADE ??? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ In Post #14 I clearly stated: "...to really search out the Israel/Gentile....I DO NOT KNOW WHICH I AM OF..." AND NOW YOU STATE IN YOUR POST #58; "YOU DO IN FACT CONSIDER YOURSELF A PART OF ISRAEL" I do in FACT consider myself a part of Israel ??? NOW just from where did you get this one ??? (Maybe this is another statement you made you ironically never made ???) Just what was the reason for that claim?? STILL WAITING ?????????
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Sonny35 wrote:Sonny35 wrote:stevelundgren wrote:POST #12 sonny35 wrote:... I'm still waiting for the QUOTE of HWA as you said "HE" told ...
I am not saying there isn't one but 'you' said there is so show me... POST #30 sonny35 wrote:... I claim he did not and never made such a statement as you claim, "as HWA told him"...
And if you can quote the source of your statement, then I will apologize. Will you if you can't??? POST #62 [quote=sonny35]... You really should seek counseling about your continuous making of untrue statements (lying) as being truth and now as you claim... Sonny defines "lying" as an untrue statement.
Two of his statements above are in conflict. Here they are.
"I claim he did not and never made such a statement as you claim..." - Sonny
"I am not saying there isn't one but you said there is so show me..." - Sonny
One of these statements is untrue and therefore by Sonny's definition, "a lie".
Either HWA "made a statement as I claim", or he "never made a statement as I claim".
Which is it?
Ironically, I never claimed that HWA made such a statement.
That is a paper tiger created by Sonny.
Herbert W. Armstrong is the source of British Israelism in the COG.
This is common knowledge. See Intangible's posts above.
Just so we are clear.
I'm not calling Sonny a liar.
His own definition of "lying" has done that.
Yep, exactly, I "claim" he did not and never made such a statement, I am not saying there isn't one but you stated "If he is NOT a part of Israel (as HWA told him) then he is in eternal peril. Lost. without hope". So show me ??? (nothing untrue, no conflict of statement, sorry) And now you say "Ironically,I never claimed that HWA made such a statement" ?????????? FROM WHERE DID YOU GET THE STATEMENT YOU NEVER MADE ??? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ In Post #14 I clearly stated: "...to really search out the Israel/Gentile....I DO NOT KNOW WHICH I AM OF..." AND NOW YOU STATE IN YOUR POST #58; "YOU DO IN FACT CONSIDER YOURSELF A PART OF ISRAEL" I do in FACT consider myself a part of Israel ??? NOW just from where did you get this one ??? (Maybe this is another statement you made you ironically never made ???) Just what was the reason for that claim?? STILL WAITING ????????? Maybe you have learned to keep your big mouth shut when it comes to making statements of which you know nothing about or have not proof of. (hope so)
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You tell me I have no proof of claim on one of the topics while you at same time avoid proving your own claims as to what I and HWA said, how about proving your own before telling me to prove what you claim are mine???? Mt.7:3
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Sonny defines "lying" as an untrue statement.
Two of his statements above are in conflict. Here they are.
"I claim he did not and never made such a statement as you claim..." - Sonny
"I am not saying there isn't one but you said there is so show me..." - Sonny
One of these statements is untrue and therefore by Sonny's definition, "a lie".
Either HWA "made a statement as I claim", or he "never made a statement as I claim".
Which is it?
Ironically, I never claimed that HWA made such a statement.
That is a paper tiger created by Sonny.
Herbert W. Armstrong is the source of British Israelism in the COG.
This is common knowledge. See Intangible's posts above.
Just so we are clear.
I'm not calling Sonny a liar.
His own definition of "lying" has done that.
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Yep, exactly, I "claim" he did not and never made such a statement, I am not saying there isn't one but you stated "If he is NOT a part of Israel (as HWA told him) then he is in eternal peril. Lost. without hope". So show me ??? (nothing untrue, no conflict of statement, sorry)
And now you say "Ironically,I never claimed that HWA made such a statement" ??????????
FROM WHERE DID YOU GET THE STATEMENT YOU NEVER MADE ???
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In Post #14 I clearly stated: "...to really search out the Israel/Gentile....I DO NOT KNOW WHICH I AM OF..."
AND NOW YOU STATE IN YOUR POST #58; "YOU DO IN FACT CONSIDER YOURSELF A PART OF ISRAEL" I do in FACT consider myself a part of Israel ??? NOW just from where did you get this one ??? (Maybe this is another statement you made you ironically never made ???)
Just what was the reason for that claim??
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Sonny35 wrote:You tell me I have no proof of claim on one of the topics while you at same time avoid proving your own claims as to what I and HWA said, how about proving your own before telling me to prove what you claim are mine???? Mt.7:3
Sonny defines "lying" as an untrue statement.
Two of his statements above are in conflict. Here they are.
"I claim he did not and never made such a statement as you claim..." - Sonny
"I am not saying there isn't one but you said there is so show me..." - Sonny
One of these statements is untrue and therefore by Sonny's definition, "a lie".
Either HWA "made a statement as I claim", or he "never made a statement as I claim".
Which is it?
Ironically, I never claimed that HWA made such a statement.
That is a paper tiger created by Sonny.
Herbert W. Armstrong is the source of British Israelism in the COG.
This is common knowledge. See Intangible's posts above.
Just so we are clear.
I'm not calling Sonny a liar.
His own definition of "lying" has done that.
[/quote] Yep, exactly, I "claim" he did not and never made such a statement, I am not saying there isn't one but you stated "If he is NOT a part of Israel (as HWA told him) then he is in eternal peril. Lost. without hope". So show me ??? (nothing untrue, no conflict of statement, sorry) And now you say "Ironically,I never claimed that HWA made such a statement" ?????????? FROM WHERE DID YOU GET THE STATEMENT YOU NEVER MADE ??? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ In Post #14 I clearly stated: "...to really search out the Israel/Gentile....I DO NOT KNOW WHICH I AM OF..." AND NOW YOU STATE IN YOUR POST #58; "YOU DO IN FACT CONSIDER YOURSELF A PART OF ISRAEL" I do in FACT consider myself a part of Israel ??? NOW just from where did you get this one ??? (Maybe this is another statement you made you ironically never made ???) Just what was the reason for that claim?? [/quote] It is good to see that since you could not put up that you have shut up. Hope you have learned a lesson about running your mouth when you can't back it up. Just don't let it happen again for you now know what will happen if you do!
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