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jnk309 wrote:By the way Steve, Jehovah's witnesses are the true followers of Jesus Christ, who is our leader and the foremost Witness of Jehovah. We sanctify Jehovah's name to the extremity of the earth. What does that say about the rest of us?
You are inferring that I am not a follower of Jesus Christ.
Will you be shocked to hear Jesus say this?
Matthew 7:23
Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? - Galatians 4:16
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jnk309 wrote:By the way Steve, Jehovah's witnesses are the true followers of Jesus Christ, who is our leader and the foremost Witness of Jehovah. We sanctify Jehovah's name to the extremity of the earth. Rutherford was an apostate."If a man loses pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music in which he hears, however measured, or far away.” Henry David Thoreau
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stevelundgren wrote:jnk309 wrote:By the way Steve, Jehovah's witnesses are the true followers of Jesus Christ, who is our leader and the foremost Witness of Jehovah. We sanctify Jehovah's name to the extremity of the earth. What does that say about the rest of us?
You are inferring that I am not a follower of Jesus Christ.
Will you be shocked to hear Jesus say this?
Matthew 7:23
Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
Jesus is not a Trinitarian and a preacher of the dead burning in hell. By the way Steve, before we channel our prayers to Jehovah, we should ask Jehovah to forgive our sins. Also, would you consider restoring Jehovah's name in its proper places as mentioned earlier if Sarge would join us? Draw close to Jehovah God and he will draw close to you. James 4:8.
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TerryD wrote:jnk309 wrote:By the way Steve, Jehovah's witnesses are the true followers of Jesus Christ, who is our leader and the foremost Witness of Jehovah. We sanctify Jehovah's name to the extremity of the earth. Rutherford was an apostate. Joseph Franklin Rutherford was born of Baptist parents on a farm in Morgan County, Missouri on November 8, 1869. When Joseph was 16, his father consented to his attending college, provided that he pay his own way and that he pay for a hired laborer to take his place on the farm. A determined young man, Joseph secured a loan from a friend and managed to go to college while also studying law. After completing his academy education, Rutherford spent two years under the tutelage of Judge E.L. Edwards. By the time he was 20, he became the official court reporter for the courts of the Fourteen Judicial Circuit in Missouri. On May 5, 1892, his licence to practice law in Missouri was granted. Rutherford later served for four years as public prosecutor for Boonville, Missouri. Still later, he served on occasion as a special judge in the Eighth Judicial Circuit Court of Missouri. That is why he came to known as "Judge" Rutherford. Interestingly, to pay his way through school, Rutherford sold encyclopedias from house to house. It was not an easy job--there were many rebuffs. On one occasion he almost died when he fell into an icy stream while calling on farms. He promised himself that when he became a lawyer, if anyone ever came to his office selling books, he would buy them. True to his word, he accepted three volumes o "Millennial Dawn" from two colporteurs who appeared at his office early in 1894. Several weeks later he read the books and promptly wrote a letter to the Watch Tower Society, in which he said: "My dear wife and myself have read these books with the keenest interest, and we consider it a God-sent and a great blessing that we have had the opportunity of coming into contact with them." In 1906, Joseph F. Rutherford was baptized, and a year later he became the Watch Tower Society's legal counsel.
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jnk309 wrote:stevelundgren wrote:jnk309 wrote:By the way Steve, Jehovah's witnesses are the true followers of Jesus Christ, who is our leader and the foremost Witness of Jehovah. We sanctify Jehovah's name to the extremity of the earth. What does that say about the rest of us?
You are inferring that I am not a follower of Jesus Christ.
Will you be shocked to hear Jesus say this?
Matthew 7:23
Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
Jesus is not a Trinitarian and a preacher of the dead burning in hell. By the way Steve, before we channel our prayers to Jehovah, we should ask Jehovah to forgive our sins. Also, would you consider restoring Jehovah's name in its proper places as mentioned earlier if Sarge would join us? Draw close to Jehovah God and he will draw close to you. James 4:8. Hmm...
How do you suggest we "ask Jehovah to forgive our sins" BEFORE we pray to him?
Isn't the confession of sins part of your prayer routine in the JWs?
What does Sarge have to do with "restoring Jehovah's name"?
I think God can take care of himself just fine without my help.
Just an attempt by you to make working for your organization sound noble.
Frankly... it disgusts me.
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? - Galatians 4:16
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jnk309 wrote:TerryD wrote:jnk309 wrote:By the way Steve, Jehovah's witnesses are the true followers of Jesus Christ, who is our leader and the foremost Witness of Jehovah. We sanctify Jehovah's name to the extremity of the earth. Rutherford was an apostate. Joseph Franklin Rutherford was born of Baptist parents on a farm in Morgan County, Missouri on November 8, 1869. When Joseph was 16, his father consented to his attending college, provided that he pay his own way and that he pay for a hired laborer to take his place on the farm. A determined young man, Joseph secured a loan from a friend and managed to go to college while also studying law. After completing his academy education, Rutherford spent two years under the tutelage of Judge E.L. Edwards. By the time he was 20, he became the official court reporter for the courts of the Fourteen Judicial Circuit in Missouri. On May 5, 1892, his licence to practice law in Missouri was granted. Rutherford later served for four years as public prosecutor for Boonville, Missouri. Still later, he served on occasion as a special judge in the Eighth Judicial Circuit Court of Missouri. That is why he came to known as "Judge" Rutherford. Interestingly, to pay his way through school, Rutherford sold encyclopedias from house to house. It was not an easy job--there were many rebuffs. On one occasion he almost died when he fell into an icy stream while calling on farms. He promised himself that when he became a lawyer, if anyone ever came to his office selling books, he would buy them. True to his word, he accepted three volumes o "Millennial Dawn" from two colporteurs who appeared at his office early in 1894. Several weeks later he read the books and promptly wrote a letter to the Watch Tower Society, in which he said: "My dear wife and myself have read these books with the keenest interest, and we consider it a God-sent and a great blessing that we have had the opportunity of coming into contact with them." In 1906, Joseph F. Rutherford was baptized, and a year later he became the Watch Tower Society's legal counsel. Joseph Franklin Rutherford (8 November 1869 – 8 January 1942), also known as "Judge" Rutherford, was the second president of the incorporated Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society, and played a primary role in the organization and doctrinal development of Jehovah's Witnesses,[1][2][3] which emerged from the Bible Student movement established by Charles Taze Russell.
Rutherford began a career in law, working as a court stenographer, trial lawyer and prosecutor. He developed an interest in the doctrines of Watch Tower Society president Charles Taze Russell, which led to his joining the Bible Student movement and was baptized in 1906. He was appointed the legal counsel for the Watch Tower Society in 1907, as well as a traveling representative prior to his election as president in 1917. His early presidency was marked by a dispute with the Society's board of directors, in which four of its seven members accused him of autocratic behavior and sought to reduce his powers. The resulting leadership crisis divided the Bible Student community and helped contribute to the loss of one-seventh of adherents by 1919 and as many as 75% by 1931.[4][5] Rutherford and seven other Watch Tower executives were imprisoned in 1918 after charges were laid over the publication of The Finished Mystery, a book deemed "seditious" for its anti-war comments.[6]
Rutherford introduced many organizational and doctrinal changes that helped shape the beliefs and practices of Jehovah's Witnesses.[7][8] He imposed a centralized administrative structure on the worldwide Bible Student movement, which he later called a theocracy, requiring all adherents to distribute literature via door to door preaching and to provide regular reports of their activity.[9][10] He also instituted training programs for public speaking as part of their weekly worship meetings. He established 1914 as the date of Christ's invisible return, asserted that Christ died on a tree rather than a cross,[11][12] formulated the current Witness concept of Armageddon as God's war on the wicked, and reinforced the belief that the start of Christ's millennial reign was imminent. He condemned the observance of traditional celebrations such as Christmas and birthdays, the saluting of national flags and the singing of national anthems. He introduced the name "Jehovah's witnesses" in 1931 and the term "Kingdom Hall" for houses of worship in 1935.[13]
He wrote twenty-one books and was credited by the Society in 1942 with the distribution of almost 400 million books and booklets.[14] Despite significant decreases during the 1920s, overall membership increased more than sixfold by the end of Rutherford's 25 years as president.[15][16]
http://en.wikipedia.org/...eph_Franklin_Rutherford
"If a man loses pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music in which he hears, however measured, or far away.” Henry David Thoreau
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Yes TerryD, Rutherford faithfully served Jehovah until death. Apostle Paul, the greatest Witness since Jesus Christ was in prison several times for preaching the good news of Jehovah's Kingdom. John the baptizer was beheaded for his serve to Jehovah. Even Jesus Christ was impaled on a tree for his faithful service to Jehovah God. John 15:17-25--Jesus said, If the world hates you, you know it has hated me, before it hated you...If they have persecuted me, they will persecute you also... So , you see TerryD, we are aware of Satan's world and we expect this from his system. Jehovah's Witnesses pray for Jehovah.s Kingdom to come solve the problems in this wicked system of things. Luke 4:5  --So [Satan] he brought him up and showed him all the kingdoms of the inhabited earth in an instant of time; and the Devil said to him: I will give you all this authority and the glory of them because it has been delivered to me, and to whomever I wish to give it. You therefore, if you do an worship before me, it will all be yours.....
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jnk309 wrote:Yes TerryD, Rutherford faithfully served Jehovah until death. Apostle Paul, the greatest Witness since Jesus Christ was in prison several times for preaching the good news of Jehovah's Kingdom. John the baptizer was beheaded for his serve to Jehovah. Even Jesus Christ was impaled on a tree for his faithful service to Jehovah God. John 15:17-25--Jesus said, If the world hates you, you know it has hated me, before it hated you...If they have persecuted me, they will persecute you also... So , you see TerryD, we are aware of Satan's world and we expect this from his system. Jehovah's Witnesses pray for Jehovah.s Kingdom to come solve the problems in this wicked system of things. Luke 4:5 --So [Satan] he brought him up and showed him all the kingdoms of the inhabited earth in an instant of time; and the Devil said to him: I will give you all this authority and the glory of them because it has been delivered to me, and to whomever I wish to give it. You therefore, if you do an worship before me, it will all be yours..... He was an apostate. He joined the Bible Students, then made new doctrines that lead to the breakup of the Bible students."If a man loses pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music in which he hears, however measured, or far away.” Henry David Thoreau
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TerryD wrote:jnk309 wrote:Yes TerryD, Rutherford faithfully served Jehovah until death. Apostle Paul, the greatest Witness since Jesus Christ was in prison several times for preaching the good news of Jehovah's Kingdom. John the baptizer was beheaded for his serve to Jehovah. Even Jesus Christ was impaled on a tree for his faithful service to Jehovah God. John 15:17-25--Jesus said, If the world hates you, you know it has hated me, before it hated you...If they have persecuted me, they will persecute you also... So , you see TerryD, we are aware of Satan's world and we expect this from his system. Jehovah's Witnesses pray for Jehovah.s Kingdom to come solve the problems in this wicked system of things. Luke 4:5 --So [Satan] he brought him up and showed him all the kingdoms of the inhabited earth in an instant of time; and the Devil said to him: I will give you all this authority and the glory of them because it has been delivered to me, and to whomever I wish to give it. You therefore, if you do an worship before me, it will all be yours..... He was an apostate. He joined the Bible Students, then made new doctrines that lead to the breakup of the Bible students. I wonder if our resident atheist thinks their doctrine was correct before Rutherford, under Russell?! I know he once said he has put up with his wife's religion for 30 years, I wonder if there was ever any part of the doctrine he considered correct?
He has said the same things about the Apostle Paul as he does here for Rutherford. Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
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stevelundgren wrote:jnk309 wrote:stevelundgren wrote:jnk309 wrote:By the way Steve, Jehovah's witnesses are the true followers of Jesus Christ, who is our leader and the foremost Witness of Jehovah. We sanctify Jehovah's name to the extremity of the earth. What does that say about the rest of us?
You are inferring that I am not a follower of Jesus Christ.
Will you be shocked to hear Jesus say this?
Matthew 7:23
Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
Jesus is not a Trinitarian and a preacher of the dead burning in hell. By the way Steve, before we channel our prayers to Jehovah, we should ask Jehovah to forgive our sins. Also, would you consider restoring Jehovah's name in its proper places as mentioned earlier if Sarge would join us? Draw close to Jehovah God and he will draw close to you. James 4:8. Hmm...
How do you suggest we "ask Jehovah to forgive our sins" BEFORE we pray to him?
Isn't the confession of sins part of your prayer routine in the JWs?
What does Sarge have to do with "restoring Jehovah's name"?
I think God can take care of himself just fine without my help.
Just an attempt by you to make working for your organization sound noble.
Frankly... it disgusts me.
Steve, read my post again, asking for forgiveness of sin is in the prayer before the prayer is closed. I recommended Sarge to join you and I, because he "Amen" your post. Jesus said at Luke 17:26--as it occurred in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of man. Only eight Jehovah's Witnesses sailed off to safety. Like I reported earlier, in the recent two years, 570,601 individuals climbed aboard the ark of today.
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TerryD wrote:jnk309 wrote:Yes TerryD, Rutherford faithfully served Jehovah until death. Apostle Paul, the greatest Witness since Jesus Christ was in prison several times for preaching the good news of Jehovah's Kingdom. John the baptizer was beheaded for his serve to Jehovah. Even Jesus Christ was impaled on a tree for his faithful service to Jehovah God. John 15:17-25--Jesus said, If the world hates you, you know it has hated me, before it hated you...If they have persecuted me, they will persecute you also... So , you see TerryD, we are aware of Satan's world and we expect this from his system. Jehovah's Witnesses pray for Jehovah.s Kingdom to come solve the problems in this wicked system of things. Luke 4:5 --So [Satan] he brought him up and showed him all the kingdoms of the inhabited earth in an instant of time; and the Devil said to him: I will give you all this authority and the glory of them because it has been delivered to me, and to whomever I wish to give it. You therefore, if you do an worship before me, it will all be yours..... He was an apostate. He joined the Bible Students, then made new doctrines that lead to the breakup of the Bible students. A few, especially at headquarters, actually resented Brother Rutherford. The fact that the work was moving ahead and that he was making every effort to follow the arrangements that had been put in place by Russell did not seem to impress them. Opposition soon mounted. Four members of the board of directors of the Society went as far as to endeavor to wrest administrative control from Rutherford's hands. The situation came to a head in the summer of 1917, with the release of the Finished Mystery, the seventh volume of Studies in the Scriptures. Brother Russell had been unable to produce this volume during his lifetime, though he had hoped to do so. Finally, the completed manuscripts was approved for publication by officers of the society and was released to the Bethel family at the dinner table on Tuesday, July 17, 1917. On that same occasion, a startling announcement was made--the four opposing directors had been removed, and Brother Rutherford had appointed four others to fill the vacancies. It was as if a bombshell had exploded! The four ousted directors seized upon the occasion and stirred up a five hour controversy before the Bethel family over the administration of the Society's affairs. A number of the Bethel family sympathized with the opposers. The opposition continued for several weeks, with the disturbers threatening to "overthrow the existing tyranny," as they put it. But Brother Rutherford had a sound basis for the action he had taken. It had turned out that although the four opposing directors had been appointed by Brother Russell, these appointments had not been confirmed by vote of the corporation members at the annual meeting of the Society. Therefore, the four of them were not legal members of the board of directors at all! Rutherford had been aware of this but had not mentioned it at first. He had wanted to avoid giving giving the impression that he was going against Brother Russell's wishes. However, when it became evident that they would not discontinue their opposition, Rutherford acted within his authority and responsibility as president to replace them with four others whose appointments were to be confirmed at the next annual meeting, to be held in January 1918.
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jnk309 wrote:stevelundgren wrote:jnk309 wrote:stevelundgren wrote:jnk309 wrote:By the way Steve, Jehovah's witnesses are the true followers of Jesus Christ, who is our leader and the foremost Witness of Jehovah. We sanctify Jehovah's name to the extremity of the earth. What does that say about the rest of us?
You are inferring that I am not a follower of Jesus Christ.
Will you be shocked to hear Jesus say this?
Matthew 7:23
Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’ Jesus is not a Trinitarian and a preacher of the dead burning in hell. By the way Steve, before we channel our prayers to Jehovah, we should ask Jehovah to forgive our sins. Also, would you consider restoring Jehovah's name in its proper places as mentioned earlier if Sarge would join us? Draw close to Jehovah God and he will draw close to you. James 4:8. Hmm...
How do you suggest we "ask Jehovah to forgive our sins" BEFORE we pray to him?
Isn't the confession of sins part of your prayer routine in the JWs?
What does Sarge have to do with "restoring Jehovah's name"?
I think God can take care of himself just fine without my help.
Just an attempt by you to make working for your organization sound noble.
Frankly... it disgusts me.
Steve, read my post again, asking for forgiveness of sin is in the prayer before the prayer is closed. I recommended Sarge to join you and I, because he "Amen" your post. Jesus said at Luke 17:26--as it occurred in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of man. Only eight Jehovah's Witnesses sailed off to safety. Like I reported earlier, in the recent two years, 570,601 individuals climbed aboard the ark of today. I think you are on a sinking ship headed for the Lake of Fire. Bon voyage.
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? - Galatians 4:16
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jnk309 wrote:By the way Steve, before we channel our prayers to Jehovah, we should ask Jehovah to forgive our sins.
Also, would you consider restoring Jehovah's name in its proper places as mentioned earlier if Sarge would join us?
"if Sarge would join us"?
jnk309,
You obviously do not know Steve very well. Whether or not I "join in" or "come into agreement" with you or anyone has NO bearing whatsoever in regards to how Steve would base his beliefs.
Steve is very competent and very well versed and educated in biblical instruction for mankind contained in the Holy Bible. His beliefs are based on his own understanding of Gods word through personal study and prayer.
Steve is saved by grace through faith and the Holy Spirit guides him in all avenues of his life. I do not believe he would simply come into agreement with doctrines based on any other persons personal views. I believe that his beliefs are based on his own personal thorough study of the scriptures accompanied by his own personal abundant prayer life with the Holy Spirit as his guide.
I'm not sure why you would think Steve would need me on board to some how influence his thinking in his decisions.
Sarge
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jnk309 wrote:I recommended Sarge to join you and I, because he "Amen" your post.
jnk309,
Somehow you must have misunderstood my intentions. I offered an "Amen" to Steve's post because I was in agreement with him regarding advice he had posted for your own welfare. I believe his counsel is biblically sound and you should consider his words carefully and apply them to your life.
See post #16 on page 1, the bolded text! I copied and pasted the portion I am in agreement with below.
Steve wrote:"Salvation and forgiveness are completely available now. Having been secured on the cross.
This is the good news of the gospel. Salvation as a present possession. See the scripture below.
The gift is freely available to you as well. Agree with God and receive your gift.
Kneel before God and ask him for it. Tell Him you want to understand it.
And if it is available now, you will gladly receive it.
I believe Jehovah will meet you there."
Sarge
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sarge wrote:jnk309 wrote:I recommended Sarge to join you and I, because he "Amen" your post.
jnk309,
Somehow you must have misunderstood my intentions. I offered an "Amen" to Steve's post because I was in agreement with him regarding advice he had posted for your own welfare. I believe his counsel is biblically sound and you should consider his words carefully and apply them to your life.
See post #16 on page 1, the bolded text! I copied and pasted the portion I am in agreement with below.
Steve wrote:"Salvation and forgiveness are completely available now. Having been secured on the cross.
This is the good news of the gospel. Salvation as a present possession. See the scripture below.
The gift is freely available to you as well. Agree with God and receive your gift.
Kneel before God and ask him for it. Tell Him you want to understand it.
And if it is available now, you will gladly receive it.
I believe Jehovah will meet you there."
Sarge
Thank-you for being considerate of my spiritual life in a favorable way, Sarge. Steve worships Jesus as his God, and Jesus Christ, himself said to worship Jehovah God, and him alone. Should I follow Steve's advise or Jesus'? I put the blame on religious leaders and tampered translations, that people are confused in getting the correct understanding of the Scriptures. For example, many translators replaced "obeisance" with "worship," "hell" for "hades and sheol," put the comma before "today" instead of after and added a whole Scripture to support their false doctrine "The Trinity," removed the the name of the Author of the Bible from his book. And the list goes on. I know you mean well but I am putting my faith in Jesus, not Steve.
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jnk309 wrote:sarge wrote:jnk309 wrote:I recommended Sarge to join you and I, because he "Amen" your post.
jnk309,
Somehow you must have misunderstood my intentions. I offered an "Amen" to Steve's post because I was in agreement with him regarding advice he had posted for your own welfare. I believe his counsel is biblically sound and you should consider his words carefully and apply them to your life.
See post #16 on page 1, the bolded text! I copied and pasted the portion I am in agreement with below.
Steve wrote:"Salvation and forgiveness are completely available now. Having been secured on the cross.
This is the good news of the gospel. Salvation as a present possession. See the scripture below.
The gift is freely available to you as well. Agree with God and receive your gift.
Kneel before God and ask him for it. Tell Him you want to understand it.
And if it is available now, you will gladly receive it.
I believe Jehovah will meet you there."
Sarge
Thank-you for being considerate of my spiritual life in a favorable way, Sarge. Steve worships Jesus as his God, and Jesus Christ, himself said to worship Jehovah God, and him alone. Should I follow Steve's advise or Jesus'? I put the blame on religious leaders and tampered translations, that people are confused in getting the correct understanding of the Scriptures. For example, many translators replaced "obeisance" with "worship," "hell" for "hades and sheol," put the comma before "today" instead of after and added a whole Scripture to support their false doctrine "The Trinity," removed the the name of the Author of the Bible from his book. And the list goes on. I know you mean well but I am putting my faith in Jesus, not Steve. By the way, I left the scripture out. Luke 4:8. In reply Jesus said to Satan: "It is written, 'It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.'" Sorry about that.
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jnk309 wrote:For example, many translators replaced "obeisance" with "worship," "hell" for "hades and sheol," put the comma before "today" instead of after and added a whole Scripture to support their false doctrine "The Trinity," removed the the name of the Author of the Bible from his book. And the list goes on. I know you mean well but I am putting my faith in Jesus, not Steve.
Where did you ever get the idea that Steve would ask you to place your faith in him? Why would you even suggest such a silly thing? My hope as well as Steve's I'm sure is that you place your faith in Jesus Christ alone for your salvation, their is no other name where salvation is available by grace through faith. No-one here has ever suggested otherwise to my knowledge.
I've also looked at your partial list and am familiar with most of the claims blaming translators for errors in scripture. I believe some denominations have used this excuse to make/force the scriptures of the Holy Bible fit their particular doctrines false beliefs. For example your take on hell. It is beyond me how anyone that claims to have read the Bible cover to cover could possibly come to the conclusions as your denomination has, the JW's.
jnk309, I believe you and I will only disagree and I can tell you now that there is no way you could change my mind. I have in the past rejected all of the JW's false doctrines and kept my faith in Jesus Christ and his word.
I believe the JW's organization is a cult and I will have no part of their false doctrines therefore I'll leave it up to you where we go from here. Regardless, I will hold your name up before God in prayer that you may find life in Jesus Christ.
Sarge
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SARGE: Post 35 above you stated: I believe his [Steve] counsel is biblically sound and you should consider his words and apply them to your life. Sorry my response have offended you.
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jnk309 wrote:sarge wrote:jnk309 wrote:I recommended Sarge to join you and I, because he "Amen" your post.
jnk309,
Somehow you must have misunderstood my intentions. I offered an "Amen" to Steve's post because I was in agreement with him regarding advice he had posted for your own welfare. I believe his counsel is biblically sound and you should consider his words carefully and apply them to your life.
See post #16 on page 1, the bolded text! I copied and pasted the portion I am in agreement with below.
Steve wrote:"Salvation and forgiveness are completely available now. Having been secured on the cross.
This is the good news of the gospel. Salvation as a present possession. See the scripture below.
The gift is freely available to you as well. Agree with God and receive your gift.
Kneel before God and ask him for it. Tell Him you want to understand it.
And if it is available now, you will gladly receive it.
I believe Jehovah will meet you there."
Sarge
Thank-you for being considerate of my spiritual life in a favorable way, Sarge. Steve worships Jesus as his God, and Jesus Christ, himself said to worship Jehovah God, and him alone. Should I follow Steve's advise or Jesus'? I put the blame on religious leaders and tampered translations, that people are confused in getting the correct understanding of the Scriptures. For example, many translators replaced "obeisance" with "worship," "hell" for "hades and sheol," put the comma before "today" instead of after and added a whole Scripture to support their false doctrine "The Trinity," removed the the name of the Author of the Bible from his book. And the list goes on. I know you mean well but I am putting my faith in Jesus, not Steve. If the JWs can't even get the name of God correct How can anyone believe they have anything else correct?"If a man loses pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music in which he hears, however measured, or far away.” Henry David Thoreau
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TerryD wrote:jnk309 wrote:sarge wrote:jnk309 wrote:I recommended Sarge to join you and I, because he "Amen" your post.
jnk309,
Somehow you must have misunderstood my intentions. I offered an "Amen" to Steve's post because I was in agreement with him regarding advice he had posted for your own welfare. I believe his counsel is biblically sound and you should consider his words carefully and apply them to your life.
See post #16 on page 1, the bolded text! I copied and pasted the portion I am in agreement with below.
Steve wrote:"Salvation and forgiveness are completely available now. Having been secured on the cross.
This is the good news of the gospel. Salvation as a present possession. See the scripture below.
The gift is freely available to you as well. Agree with God and receive your gift.
Kneel before God and ask him for it. Tell Him you want to understand it.
And if it is available now, you will gladly receive it.
I believe Jehovah will meet you there."
Sarge
Thank-you for being considerate of my spiritual life in a favorable way, Sarge. Steve worships Jesus as his God, and Jesus Christ, himself said to worship Jehovah God, and him alone. Should I follow Steve's advise or Jesus'? I put the blame on religious leaders and tampered translations, that people are confused in getting the correct understanding of the Scriptures. For example, many translators replaced "obeisance" with "worship," "hell" for "hades and sheol," put the comma before "today" instead of after and added a whole Scripture to support their false doctrine "The Trinity," removed the the name of the Author of the Bible from his book. And the list goes on. I know you mean well but I am putting my faith in Jesus, not Steve. If the JWs can't even get the name of God correct How can anyone believe they have anything else correct? There is a mountain of evidence that we have, the name of God correct. Even Satan knows God's name is Jehovah. Your King James Bible carried the Name for centuries. [Psalms 83:18; Exodus 6:3; Isaiah 12:2; 26:4] They admit the Name was removed in the other places over 7,000 times and inserted with a title. Don't you know why Christendom in JUNE 2008, is using every effort to hide his name from the People?
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