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jnk309
#1 Posted : Sunday, January 01, 2012 11:17:47 PM
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Isaiah 45:4-7; For the sake of my servant Jacob and of Israel my chosen one, I even proceeded to call you by your name; I proceeded to give you a name of honor, although you did not know me. I am Jehovah, and there is no one else. With the exception of me there is no God. I shall closely gird you, although you have not known me. in order that people may know from the rising of the sun and from its setting that there is none beside me, I am Jehovah and there is no one else. VERSE 12: I myself have made the earth and have created even man upon it. I-my own hands have stretched out the heavens, and all the army of them I have commanded. VERSE 14:...Indeed God is in union with you, and there is no one else; there is no [other] God. VERSE 18: For this is what Jehovah had said, the Creator of the heavens, He the [true] God, the Former of the earth and the Maker of it, who did not create it simply for nothing, who formed it to be inhabited: I am Jehovah, and there is no one else. VERSES 21 ,22:...Who has reported it from that very time? Is it not I, Jehovah, besides whom there is no other God; a righteous God and a Savior, there being none excepting me? VERSE 22: "Turn to me and be saved, all you [at the] ends of the earth; for I am God and there is no one else."
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rockinga
#2 Posted : Sunday, January 01, 2012 11:29:40 PM
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King James Version (KJV)

Isaiah 45

1Thus saith the LORD to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have holden, to subdue nations before him; and I will loose the loins of kings, to open before him the two leaved gates; and the gates shall not be shut;

2I will go before thee, and make the crooked places straight: I will break in pieces the gates of brass, and cut in sunder the bars of iron:

3And I will give thee the treasures of darkness, and hidden riches of secret places, that thou mayest know that I, the LORD, which call thee by thy name, am the God of Israel.

4For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.

5I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:

6That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.

7I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

8Drop down, ye heavens, from above, and let the skies pour down righteousness: let the earth open, and let them bring forth salvation, and let righteousness spring up together; I the LORD have created it.

9Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker! Let the potsherd strive with the potsherds of the earth. Shall the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou? or thy work, He hath no hands?

10Woe unto him that saith unto his father, What begettest thou? or to the woman, What hast thou brought forth?

11Thus saith the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, and his Maker, Ask me of things to come concerning my sons, and concerning the work of my hands command ye me.

12I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded.

13I have raised him up in righteousness, and I will direct all his ways: he shall build my city, and he shall let go my captives, not for price nor reward, saith the LORD of hosts.

14Thus saith the LORD, The labour of Egypt, and merchandise of Ethiopia and of the Sabeans, men of stature, shall come over unto thee, and they shall be thine: they shall come after thee; in chains they shall come over, and they shall fall down unto thee, they shall make supplication unto thee, saying, Surely God is in thee; and there is none else, there is no God.

15Verily thou art a God that hidest thyself, O God of Israel, the Saviour.

16They shall be ashamed, and also confounded, all of them: they shall go to confusion together that are makers of idols.

17But Israel shall be saved in the LORD with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.

18For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.

19I have not spoken in secret, in a dark place of the earth: I said not unto the seed of Jacob, Seek ye me in vain: I the LORD speak righteousness, I declare things that are right.

20Assemble yourselves and come; draw near together, ye that are escaped of the nations: they have no knowledge that set up the wood of their graven image, and pray unto a god that cannot save.

21Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.

22Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.

23I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

24Surely, shall one say, in the LORD have I righteousness and strength: even to him shall men come; and all that are incensed against him shall be ashamed.

25In the LORD shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory.
jnk309
#3 Posted : Monday, January 02, 2012 9:04:06 AM
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What is the name of the god you worship?
stevelundgren
#4 Posted : Monday, January 02, 2012 11:04:55 AM
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Jesus.

Jesus is a name of the God we worship.

None should be worshipped but God alone, correct?

Hebrews 1:6
And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says,
“Let all God’s angels worship him.”

Matthew 2:2, 8, 11
and asked, “Where is the one who has been born king of the Jews?
We saw his star when it rose and have come to worship him.” ...
He sent them to Bethlehem and said, “Go and search carefully for the child.
As soon as you find him, report to me, so that I too may go and worship him.” ...
On coming to the house, they saw the child with his mother Mary,
and they bowed down and worshiped him. Then they opened their treasures
and presented him with gifts of gold, frankincense and myrrh.

Matthew 14:33
Then those who were in the boat worshiped him, saying, “Truly you are the Son of God.”

Matthew 28:9, 17
Suddenly Jesus met them. “Greetings,” he said.
They came to him, clasped his feet and worshiped him...
When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted.

Luke 24:49-53
I am going to send you what my Father has promised;
but stay in the city until you have been clothed with power from on high.”
When he had led them out to the vicinity of Bethany, he lifted up his hands and blessed them.
While he was blessing them, he left them and was taken up into heaven.
Then they worshiped him and returned to Jerusalem with great joy.
And they stayed continually at the temple, praising God.

John 9:37-38
Jesus said, “You have now seen him; in fact, he is the one speaking with you.”
Then the man said, “Lord, I believe,” and he worshiped him.


Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? - Galatians 4:16
jnk309
#5 Posted : Monday, January 02, 2012 12:21:13 PM
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stevelundgren wrote:

Jesus.

Jesus is a name of the God we worship.

None should be worshipped but God alone, correct?

Hebrews 1:6
And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says,
“Let all God’s angels worship him.”

Matthew 2:2, 8, 11
and asked, “Where is the one who has been born king of the Jews?
We saw his star when it rose and have come to worship him.” ...
He sent them to Bethlehem and said, “Go and search carefully for the child.
As soon as you find him, report to me, so that I too may go and worship him.” ...
On coming to the house, they saw the child with his mother Mary,
and they bowed down and worshiped him. Then they opened their treasures
and presented him with gifts of gold, frankincense and myrrh.

Matthew 14:33
Then those who were in the boat worshiped him, saying, “Truly you are the Son of God.”

Matthew 28:9, 17
Suddenly Jesus met them. “Greetings,” he said.
They came to him, clasped his feet and worshiped him...
When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted.

Luke 24:49-53
I am going to send you what my Father has promised;
but stay in the city until you have been clothed with power from on high.”
When he had led them out to the vicinity of Bethany, he lifted up his hands and blessed them.
While he was blessing them, he left them and was taken up into heaven.
Then they worshiped him and returned to Jerusalem with great joy.
And they stayed continually at the temple, praising God.

John 9:37-38
Jesus said, “You have now seen him; in fact, he is the one speaking with you.”
Then the man said, “Lord, I believe,” and he worshiped him.




The Kingdom Interlinear translation of the Greek Scriptures uses the word "obeisance" and the Jerusalem Bible uses the word "homage." The Translations that uses the word "worship" are guilty of thousands of other errors, such as removing the Author's Name from His personal book over 7,000 times, changing words such as "sheol" and "Hades" several times, and even adding whole scriptures to support the false doctrine "Trinitry, 1John 5:7, to mention a few. Using the word "worship" does not harmonizes with the overall context of the Bible. With everlasting life at stake, it would be wise for Trinitarians to reexamine the Scriptures. Jehovah's Witnesses's literature can help ones to understand the Bible. What would you do if anyone tampered with your book, you put on the market?

stevelundgren
#6 Posted : Monday, January 02, 2012 3:34:16 PM
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Let's look at the Greek for all these with the Strong's Concordance definitions.

Hebrews 1:6
And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says,
“Let all God’s angels worship him.”

proskuneo
from proV - pros 4314 and a probable derivative of kuwn - kuon 2965 (meaning to kiss, like a dog licking his master's hand); to fawn or crouch to, i.e. (literally or figuratively) prostrate oneself in homage (do reverence to, adore):--worship.

Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? - Galatians 4:16
stevelundgren
#7 Posted : Monday, January 02, 2012 3:38:22 PM
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Matthew 2:2, 8, 11
and asked, “Where is the one who has been born king of the Jews?
We saw his star when it rose and have come to worship him.” ...
He sent them to Bethlehem and said, “Go and search carefully for the child.
As soon as you find him, report to me, so that I too may go and worship him.” ...
On coming to the house, they saw the child with his mother Mary,
and they bowed down and worshiped him. Then they opened their treasures
and presented him with gifts of gold, frankincense and myrrh.

proskuneo
from proV - pros 4314 and a probable derivative of kuwn - kuon 2965 (meaning to kiss, like a dog licking his master's hand); to fawn or crouch to, i.e. (literally or figuratively) prostrate oneself in homage (do reverence to, adore):--worship.

Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? - Galatians 4:16
stevelundgren
#8 Posted : Monday, January 02, 2012 3:40:12 PM
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Matthew 14:33
Then those who were in the boat worshiped him, saying, “Truly you are the Son of God.”

proskuneo
from proV - pros 4314 and a probable derivative of kuwn - kuon 2965 (meaning to kiss, like a dog licking his master's hand); to fawn or crouch to, i.e. (literally or figuratively) prostrate oneself in homage (do reverence to, adore):--worship.

Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? - Galatians 4:16
stevelundgren
#9 Posted : Monday, January 02, 2012 3:42:36 PM
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Matthew 28:9, 17
Suddenly Jesus met them. “Greetings,” he said.
They came to him, clasped his feet and worshiped him...
When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted.

proskuneo
from proV - pros 4314 and a probable derivative of kuwn - kuon 2965 (meaning to kiss, like a dog licking his master's hand); to fawn or crouch to, i.e. (literally or figuratively) prostrate oneself in homage (do reverence to, adore):--worship.

Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? - Galatians 4:16
stevelundgren
#10 Posted : Monday, January 02, 2012 3:44:55 PM
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Luke 24:49-53
I am going to send you what my Father has promised;
but stay in the city until you have been clothed with power from on high.”
When he had led them out to the vicinity of Bethany, he lifted up his hands and blessed them.
While he was blessing them, he left them and was taken up into heaven.
Then they worshiped him and returned to Jerusalem with great joy.
And they stayed continually at the temple, praising God.

proskuneo
from proV - pros 4314 and a probable derivative of kuwn - kuon 2965 (meaning to kiss, like a dog licking his master's hand); to fawn or crouch to, i.e. (literally or figuratively) prostrate oneself in homage (do reverence to, adore):--worship.

Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? - Galatians 4:16
stevelundgren
#11 Posted : Monday, January 02, 2012 3:47:59 PM
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John 9:37-38
Jesus said, “You have now seen him; in fact, he is the one speaking with you.”
Then the man said, “Lord, I believe,” and he worshiped him.

proskuneo
from proV - pros 4314 and a probable derivative of kuwn - kuon 2965 (meaning to kiss, like a dog licking his master's hand); to fawn or crouch to, i.e. (literally or figuratively) prostrate oneself in homage (do reverence to, adore):--worship.

Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? - Galatians 4:16
stevelundgren
#12 Posted : Monday, January 02, 2012 3:54:07 PM
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jnk309 wrote:
The Kingdom Interlinear translation of the Greek Scriptures uses the word "obeisance" and the Jerusalem Bible uses the word "homage." The Translations that uses the word "worship" are guilty of thousands of other errors, such as removing the Author's Name from His personal book over 7,000 times, changing words such as "sheol" and "Hades" several times, and even adding whole scriptures to support the false doctrine "Trinitry, 1John 5:7, to mention a few. Using the word "worship" does not harmonizes with the overall context of the Bible. With everlasting life at stake, it would be wise for Trinitarians to reexamine the Scriptures. Jehovah's Witnesses's literature can help ones to understand the Bible. What would you do if anyone tampered with your book, you put on the market?

Not so.

The word means more than simply homage. But rather to PROSTRATE ONESELF in homage, do reverence to, adore, or WORSHIP.

Where "homage" means to simply respect. Prostrating oneself in homage carries a more worshipful attitude and is therefore better translated, "worship".

proskuneo
from proV - pros 4314 and a probable derivative of kuwn - kuon 2965 (meaning to kiss, like a dog licking his master's hand); to fawn or crouch to, i.e. (literally or figuratively) prostrate oneself in homage (do reverence to, adore):--worship.

Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? - Galatians 4:16
jnk309
#13 Posted : Monday, January 02, 2012 5:23:53 PM
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stevelundgren wrote:

Let's look at the Greek for all these with the Strong's Concordance definitions.

Hebrews 1:6
And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says,
“Let all God’s angels worship him.”

proskuneo
from proV - pros 4314 and a probable derivative of kuwn - kuon 2965 (meaning to kiss, like a dog licking his master's hand); to fawn or crouch to, i.e. (literally or figuratively) prostrate oneself in homage (do reverence to, adore):--worship.



Exodus 20:4-Worshiping a creation of any kind is breaking the Mosaic Law. Jesus, a creation of Jehovah is not to be worshiped. Angels do not worship other angels. The advisers in your woodshed cannot save themselves. Do you know what the Trinity actually means? By interpreting Hebrews 1:6, as you did here, you have condemned yourself. The definition of the Trinity: THE CENTRAL DOCTRINE OF RELIGIONS OF CHRISTENDOM. ACCORDING TO THE ATHANASIAN CREED, THERE ARE THREE DIVINE PERSONS [THE FATHER, THE SON, THE HOLY GHOST], EACH SAID TO BE ETERNAL, EACH SAID TO BE ALMIGHTY, NONE GREATER OR LESS THAN ANOTHER, EACH SAID TO BE GOD, AND YET TOGETHER BEING BUT ONE GOD. OTHER STATEMENTS OF THE DOGMA EMPHASIZE THAT THESE THREE PERSONS ARE NOT SEPARATE AND DISTINCT INDIVIDUALS BUT ARE THREE MODES IN WHICH THE DIVINE ESSENCE EXIST. THUS SOME TRINITARIANS EMPHASIZE THEIR BELIEF THAT JESUS IS GOD, OR THAT JESUS AND THE HOLY GHOST ARE JEHOVAH. Not a Bible teaching.
stevelundgren
#14 Posted : Monday, January 02, 2012 6:33:34 PM
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jnk309 wrote:
Exodus 20:4-Worshiping a creation of any kind is breaking the Mosaic Law. Jesus, a creation of Jehovah is not to be worshiped. Angels do not worship other angels. The advisers in your woodshed cannot save themselves. Do you know what the Trinity actually means? By interpreting Hebrews 1:6, as you did here, you have condemned yourself. The definition of the Trinity: THE CENTRAL DOCTRINE OF RELIGIONS OF CHRISTENDOM. ACCORDING TO THE ATHANASIAN CREED, THERE ARE THREE DIVINE PERSONS [THE FATHER, THE SON, THE HOLY GHOST], EACH SAID TO BE ETERNAL, EACH SAID TO BE ALMIGHTY, NONE GREATER OR LESS THAN ANOTHER, EACH SAID TO BE GOD, AND YET TOGETHER BEING BUT ONE GOD. OTHER STATEMENTS OF THE DOGMA EMPHASIZE THAT THESE THREE PERSONS ARE NOT SEPARATE AND DISTINCT INDIVIDUALS BUT ARE THREE MODES IN WHICH THE DIVINE ESSENCE EXIST. THUS SOME TRINITARIANS EMPHASIZE THEIR BELIEF THAT JESUS IS GOD, OR THAT JESUS AND THE HOLY GHOST ARE JEHOVAH. Not a Bible teaching.

Wrong again.
Compare the two scriptures below.

In the first one an angel stops John from worshipping him.
In the second Jesus DOES NOT prevent a man from worshipping him.
In fact, in all the scriptures above, jesus does not prevent anyone from worshipping him.

Revelation 22:8-9
I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. And when I had heard and seen them,
I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who had been showing them to me.
But he said to me, “Don’t do that! I am a fellow servant with you and with your
fellow prophets and with all who keep the words of this scroll. Worship God!”

John 9:35-41
Jesus heard that they had thrown him out, and when he found him, he said,
“Do you believe in the Son of Man?”
“Who is he, sir?” the man asked. “Tell me so that I may believe in him.”
Jesus said, “You have now seen him; in fact, he is the one speaking with you.”
Then the man said, “Lord, I believe,” and he worshiped him.
Jesus said, “For judgment I have come into this world,
so that the blind will see and those who see will become blind.”
Some Pharisees who were with him heard him say this and asked,
“What? Are we blind too?”
Jesus said, “If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin;
but now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains.


Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? - Galatians 4:16
jnk309
#15 Posted : Monday, January 02, 2012 8:11:46 PM
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stevelundgren wrote:
jnk309 wrote:
Exodus 20:4-Worshiping a creation of any kind is breaking the Mosaic Law. Jesus, a creation of Jehovah is not to be worshiped. Angels do not worship other angels. The advisers in your woodshed cannot save themselves. Do you know what the Trinity actually means? By interpreting Hebrews 1:6, as you did here, you have condemned yourself. The definition of the Trinity: THE CENTRAL DOCTRINE OF RELIGIONS OF CHRISTENDOM. ACCORDING TO THE ATHANASIAN CREED, THERE ARE THREE DIVINE PERSONS [THE FATHER, THE SON, THE HOLY GHOST], EACH SAID TO BE ETERNAL, EACH SAID TO BE ALMIGHTY, NONE GREATER OR LESS THAN ANOTHER, EACH SAID TO BE GOD, AND YET TOGETHER BEING BUT ONE GOD. OTHER STATEMENTS OF THE DOGMA EMPHASIZE THAT THESE THREE PERSONS ARE NOT SEPARATE AND DISTINCT INDIVIDUALS BUT ARE THREE MODES IN WHICH THE DIVINE ESSENCE EXIST. THUS SOME TRINITARIANS EMPHASIZE THEIR BELIEF THAT JESUS IS GOD, OR THAT JESUS AND THE HOLY GHOST ARE JEHOVAH. Not a Bible teaching.

Wrong again.
Compare the two scriptures below.

In the first one an angel stops John from worshipping him.
In the second Jesus DOES NOT prevent a man from worshipping him.
In fact, in all the scriptures above, jesus does not prevent anyone from worshipping him.

Revelation 22:8-9
I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. And when I had heard and seen them,
I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who had been showing them to me.
But he said to me, “Don’t do that! I am a fellow servant with you and with your
fellow prophets and with all who keep the words of this scroll. Worship God!”

John 9:35-41
Jesus heard that they had thrown him out, and when he found him, he said,
“Do you believe in the Son of Man?”
“Who is he, sir?” the man asked. “Tell me so that I may believe in him.”
Jesus said, “You have now seen him; in fact, he is the one speaking with you.”
Then the man said, “Lord, I believe,” and he worshiped him.
Jesus said, “For judgment I have come into this world,
so that the blind will see and those who see will become blind.”
Some Pharisees who were with him heard him say this and asked,
“What? Are we blind too?”
Jesus said, “If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin;
but now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains.




Revelation 22:9-"...Worship God!" Can't be Jesus, because Jesus is the Son of Jehovah God. Jesus said to Satan: "Go away, Satan! For it is written, 'It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service. [John 4:10] This is what the [true] God, Jehovah, has said, the Creator of the heavens and the Grand One stretching them out; the One laying out the earth and its produce, the One giving breath to the people on it, and spirit to those walking in it. I am Jehovah. That is my name; and to no one else shall I give my own glory, neither my praise to graven images.

"If anyone loves me," Jesus replies, "he will observe my word and my Father will love him...He that does not love me does not observe my words." Unlike his obedient followers, the world ignores Christ's teachings. so he does not reveal himself to them.
stevelundgren
#16 Posted : Monday, January 02, 2012 8:23:54 PM
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jnk309 wrote:
stevelundgren wrote:
jnk309 wrote:
Exodus 20:4-Worshiping a creation of any kind is breaking the Mosaic Law. Jesus, a creation of Jehovah is not to be worshiped. Angels do not worship other angels. The advisers in your woodshed cannot save themselves. Do you know what the Trinity actually means? By interpreting Hebrews 1:6, as you did here, you have condemned yourself. The definition of the Trinity: THE CENTRAL DOCTRINE OF RELIGIONS OF CHRISTENDOM. ACCORDING TO THE ATHANASIAN CREED, THERE ARE THREE DIVINE PERSONS [THE FATHER, THE SON, THE HOLY GHOST], EACH SAID TO BE ETERNAL, EACH SAID TO BE ALMIGHTY, NONE GREATER OR LESS THAN ANOTHER, EACH SAID TO BE GOD, AND YET TOGETHER BEING BUT ONE GOD. OTHER STATEMENTS OF THE DOGMA EMPHASIZE THAT THESE THREE PERSONS ARE NOT SEPARATE AND DISTINCT INDIVIDUALS BUT ARE THREE MODES IN WHICH THE DIVINE ESSENCE EXIST. THUS SOME TRINITARIANS EMPHASIZE THEIR BELIEF THAT JESUS IS GOD, OR THAT JESUS AND THE HOLY GHOST ARE JEHOVAH. Not a Bible teaching.

Wrong again.
Compare the two scriptures below.

In the first one an angel stops John from worshipping him.
In the second Jesus DOES NOT prevent a man from worshipping him.
In fact, in all the scriptures above, Jesus does not prevent anyone from worshipping him.

Revelation 22:8-9
I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. And when I had heard and seen them,
I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who had been showing them to me.
But he said to me, “Don’t do that! I am a fellow servant with you and with your
fellow prophets and with all who keep the words of this scroll. Worship God!”

John 9:35-41
Jesus heard that they had thrown him out, and when he found him, he said,
“Do you believe in the Son of Man?”
“Who is he, sir?” the man asked. “Tell me so that I may believe in him.”
Jesus said, “You have now seen him; in fact, he is the one speaking with you.”
Then the man said, “Lord, I believe,” and he worshiped him.
Jesus said, “For judgment I have come into this world,
so that the blind will see and those who see will become blind.”
Some Pharisees who were with him heard him say this and asked,
“What? Are we blind too?”
Jesus said, “If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin;
but now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains.




Revelation 22:9-"...Worship God!" Can't be Jesus, because Jesus is the Son of Jehovah God. Jesus said to Satan: "Go away, Satan! For it is written, 'It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service. [John 4:10] This is what the [true] God, Jehovah, has said, the Creator of the heavens and the Grand One stretching them out; the One laying out the earth and its produce, the One giving breath to the people on it, and spirit to those walking in it. I am Jehovah. That is my name; and to no one else shall I give my own glory, neither my praise to graven images.

"If anyone loves me," Jesus replies, "he will observe my word and my Father will love him...He that does not love me does not observe my words." Unlike his obedient followers, the world ignores Christ's teachings. so he does not reveal himself to them.

I guess you missed the point that the scripture I provided is so clear on.

In Revelation 22:8-9 the angel prevents worship from happening because it is only appropriate to worship God.

However in John 9:35-41 Jesus does not prevent the man from worshipping him.
Did the angel know something Jesus didn't? Or is Jesus God?

I vote for the latter.

Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? - Galatians 4:16
rockinga
#17 Posted : Monday, January 02, 2012 8:28:06 PM
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jnk309
Of all of the folks that post on this forum
You make no sense
and to what purpose do you post these bizarre posts?
jnk309
#18 Posted : Monday, January 02, 2012 9:29:38 PM
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rockinga wrote:
jnk309
Of all of the folks that post on this forum
You make no sense
and to what purpose do you post these bizarre posts?


To know what god you worship, as I asked earlier? Are you a shame to reveal your god's name?
stevelundgren
#19 Posted : Monday, January 02, 2012 10:14:04 PM
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His acceptable name is God, with a capital "G".
The one and only. Rarely confused with anyone else.

"Father" works too. Heavenly Father if you want to sound more formal.
Some of my friends refer to him simply as "Dad".

Mark 14:36
“Abba, Father,” he said, “everything is possible for you.
Take this cup from me. Yet not what I will, but what you will.”

Romans 8:15
For you did not receive a spirit that makes you a slave again to fear,
but you received the Spirit of sonship. And by him we cry, “Abba, Father.”

Galatians 4:6
Because you are sons, God sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts,
the Spirit who calls out, “Abba, Father.”


Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? - Galatians 4:16
rockinga
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God the Father

Jesus Christ Gods Son

The comforter The Holy Spirit


This is what I belive
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