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I see we have yet another promoting the early Catholic Church Fathers. www.atruechurch.info/earlychurchfathers.html
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Hey!! Have you noticed when it comes to the Sabbath; They won't touch God's Word, the scriptures!!! They know God started the Sabbath, when He was at creation!! He observed the 7th day, the Sabbath, when He rested!! In Ex. the 7th day is called the Sabbath!
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monique wrote:Hey!! Have you noticed when it comes to the Sabbath; They won't touch God's Word, the scriptures!!! They know God started the Sabbath, when He was at creation!! He observed the 7th day, the Sabbath, when He rested!! In Ex. the 7th day is called the Sabbath! Look at the many threads started with the Sabbath and the others which ends back to the Sabbath!! That's how I came to find out the Sabbath was not nailed to the cross!! Thank you for enlightening me with the constant arguements on the Sabbath!! Now the other enlightenment of arguements to read about is trinity.
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monique wrote:Hey!! Have you noticed when it comes to the Sabbath; They won't touch God's Word, the scriptures!!! They know God started the Sabbath, when He was at creation!! He observed the 7th day, the Sabbath, when He rested!! In Ex. the 7th day is called the Sabbath! They can not touch God's word when it comes to keeping their sun-god-day or for doing away with God's Sabbath Day. THERE IS NOT ONE SCRIPTURE THAT DOES AWAY WITH THE 7TH DAY SABBATH OR THE REPLACING OR CHANGING OF IT WITH OR TO ANOTHER DAY!!!!! That is why they have to go to their early Catholic Church Fathers for what they call proof of a weekly sun-god-day worship replacing God's Holy Sabbath Day as quotes and writings of the RCC's are the only source they have to make their stand.    Satan has indeed done his work against God's Sabbath Day well.
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Galatians 5:4
You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ;
you have fallen away from grace.
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? - Galatians 4:16
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Most of what is known about the life of Justin Martyr comes from his own writings. He was born at Flavia Neapolis (today Nablus) in Palestine. His parents were pagans. He tells us (Dialogue 2 ) that he tried first the school of a Stoic philosopher, who was unable to explain God's being to him. He then attended a Peripatetic philosopher but was put off because the philosopher was too eager for his fee. Then he went to hear a Pythagorean philosopher, who demanded that he first learn music, astronomy and geometry, which he did not wish to do. After this he was drawn to Platonism, until meeting an old man on the sea shore who told him about Christianity, and he converted. He was influenced in this by the fearless conduct of the Christians facing execution (Apol. 2:12). This conversion seems to have taken place at Ephesus.[4]
He then adopted the dress of a philosopher himself and traveled about teaching. He arrived in Rome in the reign of Antoninus Pius (138-161), where he started his own school. Tatian was one of his pupils. In the reign of Marcus Aurelius, after disputing with the cynic philosopher Crescens, he was denounced by the latter to the authorities, according to Tatian (Address to the Greeks 19) and Eusebius (HE IV 16.7). Justin was tried together with six companions by Junius Rusticus who was urban prefect from 163-167, and was beheaded, probably in 165. The martyrdom of Justin preserves the court record.[4]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justin_Martyr"If a man loses pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music in which he hears, however measured, or far away.” Henry David Thoreau
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monique wrote:Hey!! Have you noticed when it comes to the Sabbath; They won't touch God's Word, the scriptures!!! They know God started the Sabbath, when He was at creation!! He observed the 7th day, the Sabbath, when He rested!! In Ex. the 7th day is called the Sabbath! Intangible "the Bible never clearly states that Jesus observed the Sabbath. That doesn't mean he did or did not, it means the Bible is silent on many issues such as this."The Old Testament never clearly states that anyone observed the Sabbath prior to Exodus. That doesn't mean they did or did not, it means the Bible is silent on many issues such as this."If a man loses pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music in which he hears, however measured, or far away.” Henry David Thoreau
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stevelundgren wrote:
Galatians 5:4
You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ;
you have fallen away from grace.
And those who teach after doctrines of men have never had grace.(the weekly sun-god-day,Xmass,easter)
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Sonny35 wrote:stevelundgren wrote:
Galatians 5:4
You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ;
you have fallen away from grace.
And those who teach after doctrines of men have never had grace.(the weekly sun-god-day,Xmass,easter) Have you ever read your "doctrines of men" hobby horse in context?
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? - Galatians 4:16
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stevelundgren wrote:Sonny35 wrote:stevelundgren wrote:
Galatians 5:4
You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ;
you have fallen away from grace.
And those who teach after doctrines of men have never had grace.(the weekly sun-god-day,Xmass,easter) Have you ever read your "doctrines of men" hobby horse in context?
Why should I ? Pagan Doctrines such as the weekly sun-god-day observance, Xmass and easter are NOT SCRIPTURAL and therefore "doctrines of men" and those who teach them in no way could be under the Grace of God. If you say such doctrines are not traditions of men prove it FROM THE SCRIPTURES. Those who lay aside Scripture and replace it with nonScriptural doctrines can not be under or claim the Grace of God and you are just fooling youself if you think so.
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Sonny35 wrote:stevelundgren wrote:Sonny35 wrote:stevelundgren wrote:
Galatians 5:4
You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ;
you have fallen away from grace.
And those who teach after doctrines of men have never had grace.(the weekly sun-god-day,Xmass,easter) Have you ever read your "doctrines of men" hobby horse in context? Why should I ? Pagan Doctrines such as the weekly sun-god-day observance, Xmass and easter are NOT SCRIPTURAL and therefore "doctrines of men" and those who teach them in no way could be under the Grace of God. If you say such doctrines are not traditions of men prove it FROM THE SCRIPTURES. Those who lay aside Scripture and replace it with nonScriptural doctrines can not be under or claim the Grace of God and you are just fooling youself if you think so. The Apostle Paul says it is you who are trying to be justified by law that have fallen away from grace.
Who should we believe?
Galatians 5:4
You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ;
you have fallen away from grace.
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? - Galatians 4:16
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stevelundgren wrote:Sonny35 wrote:stevelundgren wrote:Sonny35 wrote:stevelundgren wrote:
Galatians 5:4
You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ;
you have fallen away from grace.
And those who teach after doctrines of men have never had grace.(the weekly sun-god-day,Xmass,easter) Have you ever read your "doctrines of men" hobby horse in context? Why should I ? Pagan Doctrines such as the weekly sun-god-day observance, Xmass and easter are NOT SCRIPTURAL and therefore "doctrines of men" and those who teach them in no way could be under the Grace of God. If you say such doctrines are not traditions of men prove it FROM THE SCRIPTURES. Those who lay aside Scripture and replace it with nonScriptural doctrines can not be under or claim the Grace of God and you are just fooling youself if you think so. The Apostle Paul says it is you who are trying to be justified by law that have fallen away from grace.
Who should we believe?
Galatians 5:4
You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ;
you have fallen away from grace.
Mt.15:9, No Grace for such as these!
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Since however no one can produce a written command as an authority, it is evident that the apostles left each one to his own free will in the matter, to the end that each might perform what is good not by constraint or necessity. Such is the difference in the churches on the subject of fasts. Nor is there less variation in regard to religious assemblies. For although almost all churches throughout the world celebrate the sacred mysteries on the sabbath of every week, yet the Christians of Alexandria and at Rome, on account of some ancient tradition, have ceased to do this. The Egyptians in the neighborhood of Alexandria, and the inhabitants of Thebaïs, hold their religious assemblies on the sabbath, but do not participate of the mysteries in the manner usual among Christians in general: for after having eaten and satisfied themselves with food of all kinds, in the evening making their offerings they partake of the mysteries. At Alexandria again, on the Wednesday in Passion week and on Good Friday, the scriptures are read, and the doctors expound them; and all the usual services are performed in their assemblies, except the celebration of the mysteries. This practice in Alexandria is of great antiquity, for it appears that Origen most commonly taught in the church on those days. He being a very learned teacher in the Sacred Books, and perceiving that the importance of the Law of Moses (Romans 8:3) was weakened by literal explanation, gave it a spiritual interpretation; declaring that there has never been but one true Passover, which the Saviour celebrated when he hung upon the cross: for that he then vanquished the adverse powers, and erected this as a trophy against the devil
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rockinga wrote:Since however no one can produce a written command as an authority, it is evident that the apostles left each one to his own free will in the matter, to the end that each might perform what is good not by constraint or necessity. Such is the difference in the churches on the subject of fasts. Nor is there less variation in regard to religious assemblies. For although almost all churches throughout the world celebrate the sacred mysteries on the sabbath of every week, yet the Christians of Alexandria and at Rome, on account of some ancient tradition, have ceased to do this. The Egyptians in the neighborhood of Alexandria, and the inhabitants of Thebaïs, hold their religious assemblies on the sabbath, but do not participate of the mysteries in the manner usual among Christians in general: for after having eaten and satisfied themselves with food of all kinds, in the evening making their offerings they partake of the mysteries. At Alexandria again, on the Wednesday in Passion week and on Good Friday, the scriptures are read, and the doctors expound them; and all the usual services are performed in their assemblies, except the celebration of the mysteries. This practice in Alexandria is of great antiquity, for it appears that Origen most commonly taught in the church on those days. He being a very learned teacher in the Sacred Books, and perceiving that the importance of the Law of Moses (Romans 8:3) was weakened by literal explanation, gave it a spiritual interpretation; declaring that there has never been but one true Passover, which the Saviour celebrated when he hung upon the cross: for that he then vanquished the adverse powers, and erected this as a trophy against the devil From where comes this mumbo-jumbo? It sounds like more of the Catholic Fathers but I'm not quite sure? Please enlighten us.
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Sonny35 wrote:rockinga wrote:Since however no one can produce a written command as an authority, it is evident that the apostles left each one to his own free will in the matter, to the end that each might perform what is good not by constraint or necessity. Such is the difference in the churches on the subject of fasts. Nor is there less variation in regard to religious assemblies. For although almost all churches throughout the world celebrate the sacred mysteries on the sabbath of every week, yet the Christians of Alexandria and at Rome, on account of some ancient tradition, have ceased to do this. The Egyptians in the neighborhood of Alexandria, and the inhabitants of Thebaïs, hold their religious assemblies on the sabbath, but do not participate of the mysteries in the manner usual among Christians in general: for after having eaten and satisfied themselves with food of all kinds, in the evening making their offerings they partake of the mysteries. At Alexandria again, on the Wednesday in Passion week and on Good Friday, the scriptures are read, and the doctors expound them; and all the usual services are performed in their assemblies, except the celebration of the mysteries. This practice in Alexandria is of great antiquity, for it appears that Origen most commonly taught in the church on those days. He being a very learned teacher in the Sacred Books, and perceiving that the importance of the Law of Moses (Romans 8:3) was weakened by literal explanation, gave it a spiritual interpretation; declaring that there has never been but one true Passover, which the Saviour celebrated when he hung upon the cross: for that he then vanquished the adverse powers, and erected this as a trophy against the devil From where comes this mumbo-jumbo? It sounds like more of the Catholic Fathers but I'm not quite sure? Please enlighten us. Socrates Scholasticus, circa 379-450 A.D
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rockinga wrote:Sonny35 wrote:rockinga wrote:Since however no one can produce a written command as an authority, it is evident that the apostles left each one to his own free will in the matter, to the end that each might perform what is good not by constraint or necessity. Such is the difference in the churches on the subject of fasts. Nor is there less variation in regard to religious assemblies. For although almost all churches throughout the world celebrate the sacred mysteries on the sabbath of every week, yet the Christians of Alexandria and at Rome, on account of some ancient tradition, have ceased to do this. The Egyptians in the neighborhood of Alexandria, and the inhabitants of Thebaïs, hold their religious assemblies on the sabbath, but do not participate of the mysteries in the manner usual among Christians in general: for after having eaten and satisfied themselves with food of all kinds, in the evening making their offerings they partake of the mysteries. At Alexandria again, on the Wednesday in Passion week and on Good Friday, the scriptures are read, and the doctors expound them; and all the usual services are performed in their assemblies, except the celebration of the mysteries. This practice in Alexandria is of great antiquity, for it appears that Origen most commonly taught in the church on those days. He being a very learned teacher in the Sacred Books, and perceiving that the importance of the Law of Moses (Romans 8:3) was weakened by literal explanation, gave it a spiritual interpretation; declaring that there has never been but one true Passover, which the Saviour celebrated when he hung upon the cross: for that he then vanquished the adverse powers, and erected this as a trophy against the devil From where comes this mumbo-jumbo? It sounds like more of the Catholic Fathers but I'm not quite sure? Please enlighten us. Socrates Scholasticus, circa 379-450 A.D Such as him you base your sun-god-day on??? Whats wrong with Scriptures??? Could it possible be there is not one verse for weekly 1st day observances??? As a claimed minister of God you should use Scriptures not Socrates!
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rockinga wrote:circa 379-450 A.D Can't seem to locate that in the Scriptures,(at least in my Bible) Is it in the Catholic version? Please enlighten us.
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Here is a LINK which tells us about Socrates from the list of Catholic saints. And please pay special attention the 2nd para. www.newadvent.org/cathen/14118b.htm
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