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stevelundgren wrote:Sonny35 wrote:... By following the sun-day tradition of the Catholic's you have never had grace to fall away from in the first place.  What is your definition of grace?
Been there done that Steve, so again, just run around in your little circle and play your game by yourself.
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Sonny35 wrote:Intangible wrote:Please state the scripture verses that states "REMEMBER what has been in existence since I your God created The 7th Day as Holy, MY Holy Sabbath Day." Then, please show us the Bible verses that claim Jesus and Paul were observing the Sabbath according to Mosaic Law.
This ought to be pretty easy for you and it is a simple request.... just quote the scripture that validates your claims.Sonny35 wrote:Intangible wrote:
Once they had been told, it was simple to say remember what I told you. The Sabbath day was first explained in Exodus 16 and the basic rules put forth by God as a test of Israel. A few weeks later, God carved out the Ten Commandments and said "remember."
Exodus 16 states the time, "on the fifteenth day of the second month after their departing out of the land of Egypt." This was the first giving of any Sabbath instructions by YHWH and it was for the expressed purpose of testing the people.
Exodus 19 tells us......
1 In the third month after the children of Israel were gone forth out of the land of Egypt, the same day came they into the wilderness of Sinai.
2 And when they were departed from Rephidim, and were come to the wilderness of Sinai, they encamped in the wilderness; and there Israel encamped before the mount.
Exodus 20 tells them to remember the Sabbath.
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Yep, REMEMBER what has been in existance since I your God created The 7th Day as Holy, MY Holy Sabbath Day. The same Holy 7th Day Sabbath Christ and Paul faithfully observed as do Sabbatarians who follow Christ's and Paul's examples. Works of me. "Yep, REMEMBER what has been in existance since I your God created The 7th Day as Holy, MY Holy Sabbath Day." Where can I find scripture that states what you have written? "The same Holy 7th Day Sabbath Christ and Paul faithfully observed as do Sabbatarians who follow Christ's and Paul's examples." Prove this statement with scripture that states Jesus and Paul were observing the Sabbath by attending a synagogue and teaching. You just keep repeating the same unsupported line time after time despite all of the Biblical evidence which has been presented. Ex.20:8, REMEMBER...., remember the Day I created. It's context old boy, context, try it. If you will go to the NT you will find many Scriptures where Christ and Paul as was their custom went to the synagogue (church) on the Sabbath day. OK now, which DAY did they go to the synagogue, attend an assembly and which DAY was their custom to do so??? How about the SABBATH DAY! see there, that was not so hard now was it? HOW COME you keep repeating and asking that same foolish question?????  Are all you Sabbath breakers that dense or what??? HELLO???? Christ and Paul went to church on the SABBATH DAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Heb 4:1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
Heb 4:2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
Heb 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world."If a man loses pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music in which he hears, however measured, or far away.” Henry David Thoreau
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stevelundgren wrote:
What's funny is you still haven't come up with one scripture to show Christ or Paul observing the sabbath.
I'm the one posting scripture.
Heb 4:1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
Heb 4:2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
Heb 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world."If a man loses pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music in which he hears, however measured, or far away.” Henry David Thoreau
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Sonny35 wrote:Intangible wrote:Sonny35 wrote:stevelundgren wrote:
There are no examples of Christ and Paul observing the Sabbath.
Where did you get that idea?
How about Christ, "...Just as I have kept my Fathers Commandments..." "...as His custom was He went into the synagague on the Sabbath Day..." I know with your antiSabbath stance and in it's place your dedication to sun-day keeping (per the RCC) you will never acknowledge that Christ or Paul ever observed the Sabbath but thats your problem and I'll let it lay with that. There is no way that "Just as I have kept my Fathers Commandments" proves Sabbath observance nor does it prove to be the motivation to go into a synagogue and teach. With the information available you must infer, total compliance of God's Sabbath laws since it is not actually stated.
It is safe to assume Jesus met every requirement and followed every jot and tittle of God's laws. If he did not obey all of the Law he would not meet the requirements of the Messiah. The only stumbling block here is YOUR insistence that "my Fathers Commandments" refers ONLY the Ten Commandments and two other commands outside of the Ten that you have acknowledged Jesus quoted.
Christianity isn't a cafeteria where you get to pick what seems tasty and ignore the stuff that might make you stand out or feel uncomfortable. When is a Command of God no longer actually considered a Command to be followed? I know sabbatarians really hate pointing out that they just PRETEND to observe God's Sabbath, but in reality, they just go to their "church", that secret enclave where a "visitor" must be prepared and pre-approved for attendance on Saturn's day.
They PRETEND to observe the Sabbath because they ignore ALL of God's Sabbath laws and THEY observe THEIR Sabbath with their rules and doctrines. They PRETEND to honor God's Ten Commandments while they slough off and laugh at His Righteous Law. All the while they ignore actually following the way Jesus acted toward people and INSIST on strict adherence to the Mosaic Covenant minus some 600 of YHWH's laws, the epitome of the modern day Pharisee!
The Ten Commandments were written exclusively to and exclusively for the people God led, through Moses, out of slavery in Egypt. The Ten Commandments ARE the physical written Mosaic Covenant, the actual contract between Israel and YHWH, the words of the Covenant written with His own mighty hand and given directly to Moses with the instructions to build an Ark, a vessel to hold the Testimony of the Covenant.
The Ten Commandments will forever represent the written Mosaic Covenant no matter how many times you try to teach against God's Law and force the Law of Moses on all Christian followers of Jesus. There you go again, I must infer total compliance since it is not stated. No I "must" not infer (nor should anyone) that Christ wore tassels or that Christ did any thing the NT Scriptures do not state! It was Christ's custom to attend Sabbath services and it was Pauls custom to attend Sabbath services and it is my custom to attend Sabbath services. To "INFER" is what you MUST to do to make your belief work not me! Do any of the commandments in Mt.19:17-19 sound familiar to any of the TEN to you??? Now remember it is you who place "ALL TEN" in the same basket, "The Ten Commandments were written..." So you keep on infering with your Antinomian (anti-law) tradition and I will follow Christ's and Paul,s custom of attending Sabbath services along with the other nine of the TEN! quote=Intangible "There is no way that "Just as I have kept my Fathers Commandments" proves Sabbath observance nor does it prove to be the motivation to go into a synagogue and teach. With the information available you must infer, total compliance of God's Sabbath laws since it is not actually stated."
That's about the most ideotic statement ever."If a man loses pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music in which he hears, however measured, or far away.” Henry David Thoreau
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stevelundgren wrote:Sonny35 wrote:... It was Christ's custom to attend Sabbath services and it was Pauls custom to attend Sabbath services and it is my custom to attend Sabbath services... Based on what?
The "custom" evidence says they were preaching.
Preaching to lost sabbath keepers. They were on a mission.
Not sabbath compliance.
Was this written by a sabbath keeper?
Galatians 2:21
I do not set aside the grace of God,
for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!”
Galatians 5:4
You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ;
you have fallen away from grace.
Heb 4:1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
Heb 4:2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
Heb 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
Heb 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
Heb 4:5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
Heb 4:6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
Heb 4:7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
Heb 4:8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day."If a man loses pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music in which he hears, however measured, or far away.” Henry David Thoreau
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stevelundgren wrote:Sonny35 wrote:... By following the sun-day tradition of the Catholic's you have never had grace to fall away from in the first place. What is your definition of grace?
5485 charis {khar'-ece}
from 5463; TDNT - 9:372,1298; n f
AV - grace 130, favour 6, thanks 4, thank 4, thank + 2192 3, pleasure 2, misc 7; 156
1) grace 1a) that which affords joy, pleasure, delight, sweetness, charm, loveliness: grace of speech 2) good will, loving-kindness, favour 2a) of the merciful kindness by which God, exerting his holy influence upon souls, turns them to Christ, keeps, strengthens, increases them in Christian faith, knowledge, affection, and kindles them to the exercise of the Christian virtues 3) what is due to grace 3a) the spiritual condition of one governed by the power of divine grace 3b) the token or proof of grace, benefit 3b1) a gift of grace 3b2) benefit, bounty 4) thanks, (for benefits, services, favours), recompense, reward"If a man loses pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music in which he hears, however measured, or far away.” Henry David Thoreau
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Sonny35 wrote:stevelundgren wrote:Sonny35 wrote:... By following the sun-day tradition of the Catholic's you have never had grace to fall away from in the first place. What is your definition of grace? Been there done that Steve, so again, just run around in your little circle and play your game by yourself. Hmm... I thought you were a rancher.
Just a chicken farmer, I guess.
Pass the buck, buck, buck...
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? - Galatians 4:16
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stevelundgren wrote:Sonny35 wrote:stevelundgren wrote:Sonny35 wrote:... By following the sun-day tradition of the Catholic's you have never had grace to fall away from in the first place. What is your definition of grace? Been there done that Steve, so again, just run around in your little circle and play your game by yourself. Hmm... I thought you were a rancher.
Just a chicken farmer, I guess.
Pass the buck, buck, buck...
Do not quit you day job if you even have one because you will never make it as a comedian.
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Are you sure?
Maybe everyone is laughing except you. 
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? - Galatians 4:16
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stevelundgren wrote:
Are you sure?
Maybe everyone is laughing except you.
Do you have a regular job? If so KEEP IT.
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If you are selling eggs...
... the yokes on you.
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? - Galatians 4:16
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stevelundgren wrote:
If you are selling eggs...
... the yokes on you.
Though not funny, it's cute.
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I'll be here all week. 
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? - Galatians 4:16
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