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I have never agreed with paulwhut's take on this, for obvious reasons.
stevelundgren wrote:paulwhut wrote:... Sunday sacredness and the immortality of the soul is the two main deceptions of Satan... If this was true, the New Testamant would deal with it head-on.
Is that what we see?
Or is the NT silent on these issues?
2 Corinthians 2:11
in order that Satan might not outwit us. For we are not unaware of his schemes.
So this is a place to discuss this topic in-depth.
What are the Schemes of Satan?
Ephesians 6:11
Put on the full armor of God so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes.
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? - Galatians 4:16
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Satan's greatest deception of all time! http://donimon.org/sundayheresy.html
READ AND BEWARE OF THOSE WHO FOLLOW AND PROMOTE SUN-DAY AS THE DAY OF WORSHIP AND ARE AGAINST THE HOLY SCRIPTURES!!
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Galatians 5:4
You who are trying to be justified by law
have been alienated from Christ;
you have fallen away from grace. Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? - Galatians 4:16
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Sonny35 wrote:Satan's greatest deception of all time! http://donimon.org/sundayheresy.html
READ AND BEWARE OF THOSE WHO FOLLOW AND PROMOTE SUN-DAY AS THE DAY OF WORSHIP AND ARE AGAINST THE HOLY SCRIPTURES!! Here's the question you dare NOT answer.
What year did "the RCC change the sabbath to Sunday"?
If you were honest about this issue, you would have to change religions.
First day of the week worship was occurring centuries before the RCC Sunday laws were enacted.
The RCC never "changed" the sabbath to Sunday.
First day of the week worship was the standard and the sabbath still exists.
Now tell me folks. Who is the REAL deceiver here?
The Apostle Peter was right about these sheep stealing judaizers...
Acts 15:10
Now then, why do you try to test God
by putting on the necks of the disciples
a yoke that neither we nor our fathers
have been able to bear?
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? - Galatians 4:16
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Here is a good rule of thumb for identifying the work of the enemy.
John 10:10
The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy...
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? - Galatians 4:16
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Two step plan for defeating the enemy.
James 4:7
Submit yourselves, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? - Galatians 4:16
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Here is a better rule of thumb for identifying the work of the enemy.
1. A tradition is taught to be followed in place of Scripture.
The "weekly" observance of the RCC's sun-god-day is NOT of Scripture! NO WHERE of Scripture!!!!
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A message from the Apostles to the COG.
Titus 1:10-11
For there are many rebellious people, mere talkers and deceivers,
especially those of the circumcision group. They must be silenced,
because they are ruining whole households by teaching things they
ought not to teach—and that for the sake of dishonest gain.
Acts 15:5,24
Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the
Pharisees stood up and said, “The Gentiles must be circumcised
and required to obey the law of Moses.” ...
We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization
and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said.
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? - Galatians 4:16
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stevelundgren wrote:Sonny35 wrote:Satan's greatest deception of all time! http://donimon.org/sundayheresy.html
READ AND BEWARE OF THOSE WHO FOLLOW AND PROMOTE SUN-DAY AS THE DAY OF WORSHIP AND ARE AGAINST THE HOLY SCRIPTURES!! Here's the question you dare NOT answer.
What year did "the RCC change the sabbath to Sunday"?
If you were honest about this issue, you would have to change religions.
First day of the week worship was occurring centuries before the RCC Sunday laws were enacted.
The RCC never "changed" the sabbath to Sunday.
First day of the week worship was the standard and the sabbath still exists.
Now tell me folks. Who is the REAL deceiver here?
The Apostle Peter was right about these sheep stealing judaizers...
Acts 15:10
Now then, why do you try to test God
by putting on the necks of the disciples
a yoke that neither we nor our fathers
have been able to bear?
I already did, but here it is again. IV. WHEN DID SUNDAY OBSERVANCE REPLACE SABBATH OBSERVANCE IN THE PRACTICE OF MOST CHRISTIANS?
Sunday gradually became a rest day. Although in the early Christian centuries Sunday worship services were held in Rome and Alexandria, and increasingly in other places, Sunday was not regarded as a day of rest required by the fourth commandment. The development toward regarding Sunday as the complete substitute for the seventh-day Sabbath was a gradual process from the fourth to the twelfth century.
1. Constantine made Sunday a civil rest day.
His famous Sunday law of March 7, 321 reads as follows: "On the venerable Day of the Sun let the magistrates and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed. In the country, however, persons engaged in agriculture may freely and lawfully continue their pursuits; because it often happens that another day is not so suitable for grain-sowing or for vine-planting; lest by neglecting the proper moment for such operations the bounty of heaven should be lost."(34)
Kenneth Strand comments: "This was the first in a series of steps taken by Constantine and by later Roman emperors in regulating Sunday observance. It is obvious that this first Sunday law was not particularly Christian in orientation. We may note, for instance, the pagan designation 'venerable Day of the Sun.' Also, it is evident that Constantine did not base his Sunday regulations on the Decalogue, for he exempted agricultural work--a type of work strictly prohibited in the Sabbath commandment in Exodus 20:8-11."(35)
2. Theodosius I and Gratian Valentinian
in A.D. 386 ruled that legal cases should not be heard on Sunday and that there should be no public or private payment of debt. Laws also forbad Sunday circus, theater, and horse racing.(36)
3. Ephraem Syrus
(c. A.D. 306-373) wrote that the law requires rest for servants and animals on Sunday. The law is a reference to the Old Testament Sabbath commandment (Exod. 20:8-11).(37) Hence, by the second half of the fourth century some Christians were treating Sunday as a rest day in place of the seventh-day Sabbath, and they were justifying their practice by appealing to the fourth commandment.
4. The Council of Laodicea about A.D. 364
The council showed respect for the Sabbath as well as Sunday, but Canon 29 stipulated: "Christians shall not Judaize and be idle on Saturday but shall work on that day; but the Lord's day they shall especially honour, and, as being Christians, shall, if possible, do no work on that day. If, however, they are found Judaizing, they shall be shut out from Christ."(38)
While such fourth-century documents as the Apostolic Constitutions were urging that both Sabbath and Sunday be observed, the Council of Laodicea and certain influential church leaders were attempting to substitute Sunday for the Sabbath as the day of rest.
5. In medieval times the Sunday "Sabbath" displaced the Saturday Sabbath throughout Europe. (39)
i. Pope Gregory (Pope from A.D. 590-604) demanded that all secular activities should cease on Sunday so that the people could devote their time to prayer.(40)
ii. The Arian rulers must have accepted Sunday as a day of rest and worship, for the Visigoths were defeated by the Romans in A.D. 543 because they refused to fight on Sunday.(41)
iii. Pepin III, known as "the Short" (714-68), the Frankish king, Charlemagne (c. 74214), the first Emperor (from 800) of the 'Holy Roman Empire,' and their successors attempted to enforce rest on Sunday.(42)
iv. "By the twelfth century, Sunday had become quite fully the church substitute for the seventh day. The rest began at sunset and lasted until the next sunset. All secular work was strictly prohibited under stern ecclesiastical and civil penalties, for nothing except very stringent necessity was allowed to interfere with church attendance (though dispensations could be granted by ecclesiastical authority). This concept of Sundaykeeping was spelled out clearly by the great decretalists. In his collection of 1234, Gregory IX, for instance, collated a decree from the Synod of Mayence from the early part of the ninth century and a letter from Pope Alexander III to the Archbishop of Trondheim in Norway teaching how Sunday must be kept. Although those were local documents, they acquired a much greater authority when they were included in a major canonic collection."(43)
6. One notable exception to the above trend was the Christian Church of Ethiopia
...which observed both Sabbath and Sunday throughout the Middle Ages and has continued to do so until the present.(44)http://www.sabbathfellow...udy_gane_sabbathchng.htm "If a man loses pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music in which he hears, however measured, or far away.” Henry David Thoreau
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TerryD wrote:stevelundgren wrote:Sonny35 wrote:Satan's greatest deception of all time! http://donimon.org/sundayheresy.html
READ AND BEWARE OF THOSE WHO FOLLOW AND PROMOTE SUN-DAY AS THE DAY OF WORSHIP AND ARE AGAINST THE HOLY SCRIPTURES!! Here's the question you dare NOT answer.
What year did "the RCC change the sabbath to Sunday"?
If you were honest about this issue, you would have to change religions.
First day of the week worship was occurring centuries before the RCC Sunday laws were enacted.
The RCC never "changed" the sabbath to Sunday.
First day of the week worship was the standard and the sabbath still exists.
Now tell me folks. Who is the REAL deceiver here?
The Apostle Peter was right about these sheep stealing judaizers...
Acts 15:10
Now then, why do you try to test God
by putting on the necks of the disciples
a yoke that neither we nor our fathers
have been able to bear?
I already did, but here it is again. IV. WHEN DID SUNDAY OBSERVANCE REPLACE SABBATH OBSERVANCE IN THE PRACTICE OF MOST CHRISTIANS?
Sunday gradually became a rest day. Although in the early Christian centuries Sunday worship services were held in Rome and Alexandria, and increasingly in other places, Sunday was not regarded as a day of rest required by the fourth commandment. The development toward regarding Sunday as the complete substitute for the seventh-day Sabbath was a gradual process from the fourth to the twelfth century.
1. Constantine made Sunday a civil rest day.
His famous Sunday law of March 7, 321 reads as follows: "On the venerable Day of the Sun let the magistrates and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed. In the country, however, persons engaged in agriculture may freely and lawfully continue their pursuits; because it often happens that another day is not so suitable for grain-sowing or for vine-planting; lest by neglecting the proper moment for such operations the bounty of heaven should be lost."(34)
Kenneth Strand comments: "This was the first in a series of steps taken by Constantine and by later Roman emperors in regulating Sunday observance. It is obvious that this first Sunday law was not particularly Christian in orientation. We may note, for instance, the pagan designation 'venerable Day of the Sun.' Also, it is evident that Constantine did not base his Sunday regulations on the Decalogue, for he exempted agricultural work--a type of work strictly prohibited in the Sabbath commandment in Exodus 20:8-11."(35)
2. Theodosius I and Gratian Valentinian
in A.D. 386 ruled that legal cases should not be heard on Sunday and that there should be no public or private payment of debt. Laws also forbad Sunday circus, theater, and horse racing.(36)
3. Ephraem Syrus
(c. A.D. 306-373) wrote that the law requires rest for servants and animals on Sunday. The law is a reference to the Old Testament Sabbath commandment (Exod. 20:8-11).(37) Hence, by the second half of the fourth century some Christians were treating Sunday as a rest day in place of the seventh-day Sabbath, and they were justifying their practice by appealing to the fourth commandment.
4. The Council of Laodicea about A.D. 364
The council showed respect for the Sabbath as well as Sunday, but Canon 29 stipulated: "Christians shall not Judaize and be idle on Saturday but shall work on that day; but the Lord's day they shall especially honour, and, as being Christians, shall, if possible, do no work on that day. If, however, they are found Judaizing, they shall be shut out from Christ."(38)
While such fourth-century documents as the Apostolic Constitutions were urging that both Sabbath and Sunday be observed, the Council of Laodicea and certain influential church leaders were attempting to substitute Sunday for the Sabbath as the day of rest.
5. In medieval times the Sunday "Sabbath" displaced the Saturday Sabbath throughout Europe. (39)
i. Pope Gregory (Pope from A.D. 590-604) demanded that all secular activities should cease on Sunday so that the people could devote their time to prayer.(40)
ii. The Arian rulers must have accepted Sunday as a day of rest and worship, for the Visigoths were defeated by the Romans in A.D. 543 because they refused to fight on Sunday.(41)
iii. Pepin III, known as "the Short" (714-68), the Frankish king, Charlemagne (c. 74214), the first Emperor (from 800) of the 'Holy Roman Empire,' and their successors attempted to enforce rest on Sunday.(42)
iv. "By the twelfth century, Sunday had become quite fully the church substitute for the seventh day. The rest began at sunset and lasted until the next sunset. All secular work was strictly prohibited under stern ecclesiastical and civil penalties, for nothing except very stringent necessity was allowed to interfere with church attendance (though dispensations could be granted by ecclesiastical authority). This concept of Sundaykeeping was spelled out clearly by the great decretalists. In his collection of 1234, Gregory IX, for instance, collated a decree from the Synod of Mayence from the early part of the ninth century and a letter from Pope Alexander III to the Archbishop of Trondheim in Norway teaching how Sunday must be kept. Although those were local documents, they acquired a much greater authority when they were included in a major canonic collection."(43)
6. One notable exception to the above trend was the Christian Church of Ethiopia
...which observed both Sabbath and Sunday throughout the Middle Ages and has continued to do so until the present.(44)http://www.sabbathfellow...udy_gane_sabbathchng.htm Yes, when the RCC could not con faithfull Christians by deceit they passed laws enforcing their pagan sun-god-day keeping day and when that didn't work they set the Great Catholic Inquisition against them. But as Christ stated of His True Church of God, The gates of hell will never prevail against it.
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Christians had been worshipping on the first day of the week
for centuries before the RCC "no rest on the sabbath" law.
Hmm...
How many times have you broken the sabbath today?
Not a very good example of sabbath-keeping.
Maybe you can get some rest tomorrow.
Saturdays can be so hectic.
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TerryD wrote: I already did, but here it is again. IV. WHEN DID SUNDAY OBSERVANCE REPLACE SABBATH OBSERVANCE IN THE PRACTICE OF MOST CHRISTIANS?
Sunday gradually became a rest day. Although in the early Christian centuries Sunday worship services were held in Rome and Alexandria, and increasingly in other places, Sunday was not regarded as a day of rest required by the fourth commandment. The development toward regarding Sunday as the complete substitute for the seventh-day Sabbath was a gradual process from the fourth to the twelfth century.
1. Constantine made Sunday a civil rest day.
His famous Sunday law of March 7, 321 reads as follows: "On the venerable Day of the Sun let the magistrates and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed. In the country, however, persons engaged in agriculture may freely and lawfully continue their pursuits; because it often happens that another day is not so suitable for grain-sowing or for vine-planting; lest by neglecting the proper moment for such operations the bounty of heaven should be lost."(34)
Kenneth Strand comments: "This was the first in a series of steps taken by Constantine and by later Roman emperors in regulating Sunday observance. It is obvious that this first Sunday law was not particularly Christian in orientation. We may note, for instance, the pagan designation 'venerable Day of the Sun.' Also, it is evident that Constantine did not base his Sunday regulations on the Decalogue, for he exempted agricultural work--a type of work strictly prohibited in the Sabbath commandment in Exodus 20:8-11."(35)
http://www.sabbathfellow...udy_gane_sabbathchng.htm Sunday gradually became a rest day. Although in the early Christian centuries Sunday worship services were held in Rome and Alexandria, and increasingly in other places, Sunday was not regarded as a day of rest required by the fourth commandment. The development toward regarding Sunday as the complete substitute for the seventh-day Sabbath was a gradual process from the fourth to the twelfth century.TerryD has NOT underlined this..... "in the early Christian centuries Sunday worship services were held"
In the early Christian centuries, Sunday worship services were held. That sounds pretty straight forward. Sunday was not regarded as a day of rest required by the fourth commandment.Then where is the objection?
Sunday was not regarded as a day of rest.
So, in the early Christian centuries, Sunday worship services WERE held. However, this did NOT replace the fourth commandments Sabbath restSunday gradually became a rest day.The development toward regarding Sunday as the complete substitute for the seventh-day Sabbath was a gradual process from the fourth to the twelfth century.Sunday worship services WERE occurring and they were NOT considered the Sabbath replacement. However, over time, error crept in, it was a gradual process, it did not happen over night, but false teaching of a Sabbath replacement was finally made official somewhere in the fifth century. Originally, many Jewish converts and some non Jewish converts observed the Sabbath AND they had Sunday worship services.Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
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My thoughts, based on everything I have read to date.
The church was made up of both Jewish born and gentile born believers in Jesus Christ.
The Jewish born believers had grown up under law.
Jewish society still operated on a seven day week cycle including a seventh day sabbath.
Life in Jewish circles shut down at sundown on Preparation Day when the sabbath began.
The gentiles were not obligated to follow Jewish customs, but were affected by them.
For instance, if you had any dealings with a Jewish business, nothing happened on the sabbath.
They were closed for business. Shops were not open. Gates were closed. Travel was restricted.
Many Jewish born believers were still part of their Jewish community.
This meant observing sabbath and attending synagogue.
The obvious benefit was access to the scrolls owned by the synagogue.
The gentile born believers were not a part of the Jewish community.
So they had not grown up under law. They were typically not part of the Jewish community or the synagogue.
They were not obligated to observe the sabbath under Mosaic law.
Early morning on the first day of the week was an obvious time for the whole church to get together.
So, both Jewish born and gentile born believers in Jesus Christ were able to meet then.
It was a working day, so they needed to be finished in time to go to work.
This was a time of corporate worship. The church was meeting in individual homes on a daily basis.
And in some cases church community was full-time. The book of Acts tells us that they pooled their
common resources and lived communally.
John 7:12-13
Among the crowds there was widespread whispering about him.
Some said, “He is a good man.” Others replied, “No, he deceives the people.”
But no one would say anything publicly about him for fear of the Jews.
John 9:21-23
But how he can see now, or who opened his eyes, we don’t know. Ask him. He is of age;
he will speak for himself.” His parents said this because they were afraid of the Jews,
for already the Jews had decided that anyone who acknowledged that Jesus was the Christ
would be put out of the synagogue. That was why his parents said, “He is of age; ask him.”
John 19:38
Later, Joseph of Arimathea asked Pilate for the body of Jesus.
Now Joseph was a disciple of Jesus, but secretly because he feared the Jews.
With Pilate’s permission, he came and took the body away.
John 20:19
On the evening of that first day of the week, when the disciples were together,
with the doors locked for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood among them and said,
“Peace be with you!”
Acts 2:44-47
All the believers were together and had everything in common.
Selling their possessions and goods, they gave to anyone as he had need.
Every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts.
They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts,
praising God and enjoying the favor of all the people. And the Lord added to
their number daily those who were being saved.
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90 AD JOHN: On the Lord’s Day I was in the Spirit, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet, Revelation 1:10
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110 AD Pliny: they were in the habit of meeting on a certain fixed day before it was light...
150 AD EPISTLE OF THE APOSTLES: I [Christ] have come into being on the eighth day which is the day of the Lord.
150 AD JUSTIN: The command of circumcision, again, bidding [them] always circumcise the children on the eighth day, was a type of the true circumcision, by which we are circumcised from deceit and iniquity through Him who rose from the dead on the first day after the Sabbath, [namely through] our Lord Jesus Christ. For the first day after the Sabbath, remaining the first of all the days, is called, however, the eighth, according to the number of all the days of the cycle, and [yet] remains the first.
... even although they neither keep the Sabbath, nor are circumcised, nor observe the feasts. Assuredly they shall receive the holy inheritance of God.
But if we do not admit this, we shall be liable to fall into foolish opinion, as if it were not the same God who existed in the times of Enoch and all the rest, who neither were circumcised after the flesh, nor observed Sabbaths, nor any other rites, seeing that Moses enjoined such observances... For if there was no need of circumcision before Abraham, or of the observance of Sabbaths, of feasts and sacrifices, before Moses; no more need is there of them now...
And on the day called Sunday, all who live in cities or in the country gather together to one place...
But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter...
Moreover, all those righteous men already mentioned [after mentioning Adam. Abel, Enoch, Lot, Noah, Melchizedek, and Abraham], though they kept no Sabbaths...
That we do not live according to the Law, nor, are we circumcised in the flesh as your forefathers, nor do we observe the Sabbath as you do.
And on the day called Sunday there is a gathering together in the same place of all who live in a city or a rural district. We all make our assembly in common on the day of the Sun, since it is the first day, on which God changed the darkness and matter and made the world...
180 AD ACTS OF PETER: Paul had often contended with the Jewish teachers and had confuted them, saying 'it is Christ on whom your fathers laid hands. He abolished their Sabbath and fasts and festivals and circumcision.'
180 AD GOSPEL OF PETER: Early in the morning when (he Sabbath dawned, a multitude from Jerusalem and the surrounding country came to see the scaled sepulchre. In the night in which the Lord's day dawned, while the soldiers in pairs for each watch were keeping guard, a great voice came from heaven. [There follows an account of the resurrection. Early in the morning of the Lord's day Mary Magdalene, a disciple of the Lord .... came to the sepulchre.
190 AD CLEMENT OF ALEXANDRIA: (in commenting on each of the Ten Commandments and their Christian meaning: ) The seventh day is proclaimed a day of rest, preparing by abstention from evil for the Primal day, our true rest.
He does the commandment according to the Gospel and keeps the Lord's day, whenever he puts away an evil mind . . . glorifying the Lord's resurrection in himself.
200 AD BARDESANES: Wherever we are, we are all called after the one name of Christ Christians. On one day, the first of the week, we assemble ourselves together.
200 AD TERTULLIAN: We solemnize the day after Saturday in contradistinction to those who call this day their Sabbath.
... also the observance of the Sabbath is demonstrated to have been temporary.
Therefore, since God originated Adam uncircumcised, and inobservant of the Sabbath, consequently his offspring also, Abel, offering Him sacrifices, uncircumcised and inobservant of the Sabbath, was by Him commended... Noah also, uncircumcised - yes, and inobservant of the Sabbath - God freed from the deluge. For Enoch, too, most righteous man, uncircumcised and inobservant of the Sabbath, He translated from this world... Melchizedek also, "the priest of most high God," uncircumcised and inobservant of the Sabbath, was chosen to the priesthood of God.
Others . . . suppose that the sun is the god of the Christians, because it is well-known that we regard Sunday as a day of joy.
To us Sabbaths are foreign.
220 AD ORIGEN: On Sunday none of the actions of the world should be done. If then, you abstain from all the works of this world and keep yourselves free for spiritual things, go to church, listen to the readings and divine homilies, meditate on heavenly things.
Hence it is not possible that the [day of] rest after the Sabbath should have come into existence from the seventh [day] of our God. On the contrary, it is our Savior who, after the pattern of his own rest, caused us to be made in the likeness of his death, and hence also of his resurrection.
225 AD The Didascalia: The apostles further appointed: On the first day of the week let there be service, and the reading of the Holy Scriptures, and the oblation, because on the first day of the week our Lord rose from the place of the dead, and on the first day of the week he arose upon the world, and on the first day of the week he ascended up to heaven, and on the first day of the week he will appear at last with the angels of heaven.
250 AD CYPRIAN: The eight day, that is, the first day after the Sabbath, and the Lord's Day.
250 AD IGNATIUS: If, therefore, those who were brought up in the ancient order of things have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord's Day, on which also our life has sprung up again by Him and by His death-whom some deny...
Let us therefore no longer keep the Sabbath after the Jewish manner..
But let every one of you keep the Sabbath after a spiritual manner....
... let every friend of Christ keep the Lord's Day as a festival, the resurrection-day, the queen and chief of all the days [of the week].
At the dawning of the Lord's day He arose from the dead...
The day of the preparation, then, comprises the passion; the Sabbath embraces the burial; the Lord's Day contains the resurrection.
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You will see volumes of writings and quotes trying to make sun-day valid as the WEEKLY day of worship, BUT NEVER ONE BIBLE SCRIPTURE! Rev.1:10 "The Lord's Day, is always quoted as to be "proof" to be claimed for the 1st day of the week while there is not one hint of it being so, in fact all one has to do is a little research on the Lord's Day to see it is not a designated day of the week much less the 1st. The Lord's Day of Rev. in which 19 of the 22 chpt's speak of the great tribulation and the resurrection upon Christ's return to set up His Kingdom on earth is clearly called out in the OT. Isa.34:8-The DAY of the Lord's vengance. Ezk.30:3-The DAY...the DAY of the Lord. Isa.2:12, "The DAY of the Lord.", 13:6-The DAY of the Lord, 13:9-The DAY or the Lord. But the "DAY of the Lord" when stated as the term "the Lord's Day" we are told is now to be used as sun-day the 1st day of the week??? Only if your desperate trying to prove a lie of satan. 
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Today is sun-day, today you will find the churchs across the land full of worshipers faithfully obeying the LAW! But why on sun-day when in the Scriptures it was to be yesterday the Sabbath as was the Lord's custom and also Pauls? THE ONLY DAY IN SCRIPTURES TO BE AS SUCH! In March of the year 321 A.D. Emperor Constantine declared and placed into LAW the keeping of sun-day and what do we see today? All of the Mother Catholic Church's daughters (The Holy Catholic Church is the mother of all Protestant Denominations-Pope John Paul the 2nd) faithfully following Her sun-day LAW! For further explanation of the LAW being followed today (sun-day) please read the following LINK for the sun-day TRUTH, not what is spread around in the Religious Forum as truth. http://biblelight.net/sunday.htm
SUN-DAY IS THE BIGGEST SCHEME OF SATAN and fits this Topic to the letter!
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Christians in the third century were falsely accused as well.
Still yet 164 years before the Council of Laodicea forbade rest on the Jewish sabbath.
200 AD TERTULLIAN: Others... suppose that the sun is the god of the Christians, because it is well-known that we regard Sunday as a day of joy.
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Sonny35 wrote:... Rev.1:10 "The Lord's Day, is always quoted as to be "proof" to be claimed for the 1st day of the week while there is not one hint of it being so, in fact all one has to do is a little research on the Lord's Day to see it is not a designated day of the week much less the 1st... Judge for yourselves whether this is true.
Revelation 1:9-16
I, John, your brother and companion in the suffering and kingdom
and patient endurance that are ours in Jesus, was on the island of Patmos
because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus.
10 On the Lord’s Day I was in the Spirit, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet,
11 which said: “Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches:
to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia and Laodicea.”
12 I turned around to see the voice that was speaking to me.
And when I turned I saw seven golden lampstands,
13 and among the lampstands was someone “like a son of man,” dressed in a robe
reaching down to his feet and with a golden sash around his chest.
14 His head and hair were white like wool, as white as snow, and his eyes were like blazing fire.
15 His feet were like bronze glowing in a furnace, and his voice was like the sound of rushing waters.
16 In his right hand he held seven stars, and out of his mouth came a sharp double-edged sword.
His face was like the sun shining in all its brilliance.
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? - Galatians 4:16
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stevelundgren wrote:Sonny35 wrote:... Rev.1:10 "The Lord's Day, is always quoted as to be "proof" to be claimed for the 1st day of the week while there is not one hint of it being so, in fact all one has to do is a little research on the Lord's Day to see it is not a designated day of the week much less the 1st... Judge for yourselves whether this is true.
Revelation 1:9-16
I, John, your brother and companion in the suffering and kingdom
and patient endurance that are ours in Jesus, was on the island of Patmos
because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus.
10 On the Lord’s Day I was in the Spirit, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet,
11 which said: “Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches:
to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia and Laodicea.”
12 I turned around to see the voice that was speaking to me.
And when I turned I saw seven golden lampstands,
13 and among the lampstands was someone “like a son of man,” dressed in a robe
reaching down to his feet and with a golden sash around his chest.
14 His head and hair were white like wool, as white as snow, and his eyes were like blazing fire.
15 His feet were like bronze glowing in a furnace, and his voice was like the sound of rushing waters.
16 In his right hand he held seven stars, and out of his mouth came a sharp double-edged sword.
His face was like the sun shining in all its brilliance.
He was prophesying. He was telling about the end times and the day the Lord returns. What language do you suppose he wrote on a scroll what he saw and sent to the seven churches?"If a man loses pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music in which he hears, however measured, or far away.” Henry David Thoreau
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Since this post was cut and only one sentence used (as usual) trying to make another false claim of the the Lord's day as being the 1st day sun-day (nowhere to be found in the Scripures as such) I shall repost it with a question added at the end.
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You will see volumes of writings and quotes trying to make sun-day valid as the WEEKLY day of worship, BUT NEVER ONE BIBLE SCRIPTURE!
Rev.1:10 "The Lord's Day, is always quoted as to be "proof" to be claimed for the 1st day of the week while there is not one hint of it being so, in fact all one has to do is a little research on the Lord's Day to see it is not a designated day of the week much less the 1st.
The Lord's Day of Rev. in which 19 of the 22 chpt's speak of the great tribulation and the resurrection upon Christ's return to set up His Kingdom on earth is clearly called out in the OT.
Isa.34:8-The DAY of the Lord's vengance.
Ezk.30:3-The DAY...the DAY of the Lord.
Isa.2:12, "The DAY of the Lord.", 13:6-The DAY of the Lord, 13:9-The DAY or the Lord.
But the "DAY of the Lord" when stated as the term "the Lord's Day" we are told is now to be used as sun-day the 1st day of the week??? ANY SCRIPTURE TO BACK UP THAT THE LORD'S DAY IS THE 1st DAY sun-day?????
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