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MARVA POSTED wrote: No!! This is false teaching. We know this because there is no example of anyone doing so after Christ's ressurection. We know this because scripture CANNOT be broken. The Sabbath was created at creation. It is eternal and binding forever through the Ten commandments.
You cannot fight it! You can mis-use scripture and twist words. If you are comfortable not following the EXAMPLE of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ who gave His perfect life for all mankind. If you would rather follow a man. Then you will reap what you sow.
I have done all I can to show you truth and it is obvious that God is not calling you now.
So I will leave it at this. Except to fight for the Truth so others are not decieved. My post's are for those who's ground is fertile who God is calling now.
I pray your day of understanding is soon rather than later.
The ONLY person twisting scripture is you Marva. I have been reading your posts for some time now and you have totally ignored Steves responses in which he has posted biblical scriptural PROOF that was and IS very clear when addressing the sabbath issues. YOU Marva are the one who is in the minority on this planet concerning the sabbath!
How arrogant of you to insinuate that Steve and others are NOT saved by Gods grace just because they choose to worship on the Lords Day or any other day they choose. Your posts are for those whose ground is fertile? Who are you to JUDGE if others are saved or not? Exclusivism is your MO and exclusivism has done nothing good but confuse people. The COG IMO is a church of confusion to the rest of us (the majority of SAVED Christians) who ARE SAVED BY GRACE and whose lives are led by the holy spirit. You Marva are deceiving and judgemental when you insinuate another person is not saved because they don't agree with you and your self proclaimed "remnant church". I doubt you see the error of your ways. ONLY God knows a persons heart and whether they are saved. For you to sit in judgement of another persons spiritual place with God is incredibly arrogant and self righteous. I seriously doubt God is pleased with you sitting in judgment of his people.
Sarge
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stevelundgren wrote:sumr0luv wrote:... The Sabbath was created at creation. It is eternal and binding forever through the Ten commandments... Hmm... Very presumptuous.
Let's see...
The creation is at the beginning of Genesis and the Ten Commandments were given in Exodus chapter 20.
There is no indication of anyone observing the sabbath before Exodus chapter 16, when it was introduced.
How can you say the sabbath was from creation?
There is no evidence of anyone observing it until Exodus 16. (430 years after Abraham)
The law wasn't given until Exodus chapter 20 and following.
Galatians 3:16-17 NIV
The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. The Scripture does not say "and to seeds," meaning many people, but "and to your seed," meaning one person, who is Christ. What I mean is this: The law, introduced 430 years later, does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and thus do away with the promise. Do you seeds your lawn? "If a man loses pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music in which he hears, however measured, or far away.” Henry David Thoreau
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TerryD wrote:stevelundgren wrote:sumr0luv wrote:... The Sabbath was created at creation. It is eternal and binding forever through the Ten commandments... Hmm... Very presumptuous.
Let's see...
The creation is at the beginning of Genesis and the Ten Commandments were given in Exodus chapter 20.
There is no indication of anyone observing the sabbath before Exodus chapter 16, when it was introduced.
How can you say the sabbath was from creation?
There is no evidence of anyone observing it until Exodus 16. (430 years after Abraham)
The law wasn't given until Exodus chapter 20 and following.
Galatians 3:16-17 NIV
The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. The Scripture does not say "and to seeds," meaning many people, but "and to your seed," meaning one person, who is Christ. What I mean is this: The law, introduced 430 years later, does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and thus do away with the promise. Do you seeds your lawn? This is referring to the word "seed" in Hebrew, translated into Greek, translated into English.
If English was the only language involved, you would have a point.
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? - Galatians 4:16
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stevelundgren wrote:TerryD wrote:stevelundgren wrote:sumr0luv wrote:... The Sabbath was created at creation. It is eternal and binding forever through the Ten commandments... Hmm... Very presumptuous.
Let's see...
The creation is at the beginning of Genesis and the Ten Commandments were given in Exodus chapter 20.
There is no indication of anyone observing the sabbath before Exodus chapter 16, when it was introduced.
How can you say the sabbath was from creation?
There is no evidence of anyone observing it until Exodus 16. (430 years after Abraham)
The law wasn't given until Exodus chapter 20 and following.
Galatians 3:16-17 NIV
The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. The Scripture does not say "and to seeds," meaning many people, but "and to your seed," meaning one person, who is Christ. What I mean is this: The law, introduced 430 years later, does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and thus do away with the promise. Do you seeds your lawn? This is referring to the word "seed" in Hebrew, translated into Greek, translated into English.
If English was the only language involved, you would have a point.
GE 13:16 And I will make thy SEED as the dust of the earth: So that if a man can number the dust of the earth, then may thy SEED also be numbered. "If a man loses pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music in which he hears, however measured, or far away.” Henry David Thoreau
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sarge wrote:MARVA POSTED wrote: No!! This is false teaching. We know this because there is no example of anyone doing so after Christ's ressurection. We know this because scripture CANNOT be broken. The Sabbath was created at creation. It is eternal and binding forever through the Ten commandments.
You cannot fight it! You can mis-use scripture and twist words. If you are comfortable not following the EXAMPLE of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ who gave His perfect life for all mankind. If you would rather follow a man. Then you will reap what you sow.
I have done all I can to show you truth and it is obvious that God is not calling you now.
So I will leave it at this. Except to fight for the Truth so others are not decieved. My post's are for those who's ground is fertile who God is calling now.
I pray your day of understanding is soon rather than later.
The ONLY person twisting scripture is you Marva. I have been reading your posts for some time now and you have totally ignored Steves responses in which he has posted biblical scriptural PROOF that was and IS very clear when addressing the sabbath issues. YOU Marva are the one who is in the minority on this planet concerning the sabbath!
How arrogant of you to insinuate that Steve and others are NOT saved by Gods grace just because they choose to worship on the Lords Day or any other day they choose. Your posts are for those whose ground is fertile? Who are you to JUDGE if others are saved or not? Exclusivism is your MO and exclusivism has done nothing good but confuse people. The COG IMO is a church of confusion to the rest of us (the majority of SAVED Christians) who ARE SAVED BY GRACE and whose lives are led by the holy spirit. You Marva are deceiving and judgemental when you insinuate another person is not saved because they don't agree with you and your self proclaimed "remnant church". I doubt you see the error of your ways. ONLY God knows a persons heart and whether they are saved. For you to sit in judgement of another persons spiritual place with God is incredibly arrogant and self righteous. I seriously doubt God is pleased with you sitting in judgment of his people.
Sarge
I would say this is very judgemental.  Corse I'm judgemental to say that. "If a man loses pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music in which he hears, however measured, or far away.” Henry David Thoreau
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stevelundgren wrote:sumr0luv wrote:... Commandment 4: "Then Paul, as his custom was, went in to them and for three Sabbaths reasoned with them from the Scriptures...And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks" (Acts 17:2;18:4 see also 13:14,27,42,44). "let him labor, working with his hands what is good, that he may have something to give to him who has need" (Eph 4:28) and "For even when we were with you, we commanded you this: 'If anyone will not work, neither shall he eat'" (II Thes 3:10); (recall that the requirement to work is also part of the Sabbath command, thus even that portion of the commandment is repeated in the New Testament.) "And to whom did He swear they would not enter His rest, but to those who did not obey?" (Heb 3:18). "For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: 'And God rested on the seventh day from all His works'" (Heb 4:4). "There remains therefore a rest (literally sabbatismos, 'Sabbath rest'  for the people of God. For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His" (Heb 4:9-10)... Where is the commandment?
There is no directive here.
Gentiles are not being instructed to observe the jewish sabbath.
Proverbs 10:19 NIV
When words are many, sin is not absent, but he who holds his tongue is wise.
Ecclesiastes 5:7 NIV
Much dreaming and many words are meaningless. Therefore stand in awe of God.
Matthew 6:7 NIV
... do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words.
I'm not sure what your intentions are here with the last scripture you quoted.
The many words i put into my post's are from allot of in-depth study of God's word and require allot of words when it means proving all things.
A scripture here and a scripture there taken out of context and breaking scripture because a person is not understanding the meaning of a text is how so many are decieved.
I'm sorry but proving all things from the Bible does take allot of words in most cases.
The many words and the babbling that the passages are speaking of above is referring to words spoken for no purpose but for vanity or self.
It definitely is not saying that one should not use allot of words teaching the way of God. Which by the way the Bible contains many,many words!For more info:CLICK HERECOG Writer LinkIf you open your bible be led by the Holy spirit.
Let God own you.
Do not believe doctrines of men.
Prove all things for yourself.
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sumr0luv wrote:stevelundgren wrote:... Matthew 6:7 NIV
... do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words.
I'm not sure what your intentions are here with the last scripture you quoted... I'm not calling you a pagan, if that's what you are concerned about.
I'm asking a legitimate question.
Do you think (if you keep on babbling) you will be heard because of your many words?
Honestly, who is going to read all this? I didn't.
The reason you need so many words is because you are backpedaling.
A little bit of context should be suffient to make any point.
You need to go round and round in order to cover all your bases.
Like someone that is frantically trying to plug all the holes in a sinking boat.
If you need to re-write the Bible every time you make a point, maybe there's something wrong with your point.
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? - Galatians 4:16
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stevelundgren wrote:sumr0luv wrote:... The Sabbath was created at creation. It is eternal and binding forever through the Ten commandments... Hmm... Very presumptuous.
Let's see...
The creation is at the beginning of Genesis and the Ten Commandments were given in Exodus chapter 20.
There is no indication of anyone observing the sabbath before Exodus chapter 16, when it was introduced.
How can you say the sabbath was from creation?
There is no evidence of anyone observing it until Exodus 16. (430 years after Abraham)
The law wasn't given until Exodus chapter 20 and following.
Galatians 3:16-17 NIV
The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. The Scripture does not say "and to seeds," meaning many people, but "and to your seed," meaning one person, who is Christ. What I mean is this: The law, introduced 430 years later, does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and thus do away with the promise. The above argument against the Sabbath is lame to say the least. It was instituted and when and where is not up to you. But up to God.
And contrary to what you say the Sabbath(the 7th day) was created in the beginning with the rest of creation during the creation week.
Gen. 2:1-3 (NKJV) Thus the heavens and the earth, and all the host of them, were finished. 2 And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.
The first sabbath.
After six days, God ceased from all works of creation. In miracles, he has overruled nature, but never changed its settled course, or added to it. God did not rest as one weary, but as one well pleased. Notice the beginning of the kingdom of grace, in the sanctification, or keeping holy, of the sabbath day. The solemn observing of one day in seven as a day of holy rest and holy work, to God's honour, is the duty of all to whom God has made known his holy sabbaths.
At this time none of the human race were in being but our first parents. For them the sabbath was appointed; and clearly for all succeeding generations also. The Christian sabbath, which we observe, is a seventh day, and in it we celebrate the rest of God the Son, and the finishing the work of our redemption. (Ge 2:4-7)
My question to you is:
Why did God set aside the 7th day from the other 6 days of the week and make it holy?
The word sanctify means: To set aside for a holy use.
What do you suppose God would be doing on this holy day?
And subsequently the first man and women who were created next, What did they do on this 7th day of every week?
Do you suppose they worshiped their creater? Took time out from a busy 6 days of physical labor to worship and enjoy all that God had made?
By resting on the 7th day Christ was himself setting the example for the first humans of worshipping God.For more info:CLICK HERECOG Writer LinkIf you open your bible be led by the Holy spirit.
Let God own you.
Do not believe doctrines of men.
Prove all things for yourself.
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stevelundgren wrote:sumr0luv wrote:stevelundgren wrote:... Matthew 6:7 NIV
... do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words.
I'm not sure what your intentions are here with the last scripture you quoted... I'm not calling you a pagan, if that's what you are concerned about.
I'm asking a legitimate question.
Do you think (if you keep on babbling) you will be heard because of your many words?
Honestly, who is going to read all this? I didn't.
The reason you need so many words is because you are backpedaling.
A little bit of context should be suffient to make any point.
You need to go round and round in order to cover all your bases.
Like someone that is frantically trying to plug all the holes in a sinking boat.
If you need to re-write the Bible every time you make a point, maybe there's something wrong with your point.
Nobody is rewriting the bible here. I simply am being thorough and giving every scripture to back up the subject.
I am well aware that you don't read all the post's by the fact that you come back with the same lame arguments that i had just proven with scripture to be erroneous.
I'm left wondering if you are thorough in your study of the scriptures.
Yes I am going round and round and that is exactly what it feels like. Trying to plug all the holes in your boat before it sinks.
Maybe you should try reading an entire post and not with an attitude to discredit but honestly search it to see if their is any truth.For more info:CLICK HERECOG Writer LinkIf you open your bible be led by the Holy spirit.
Let God own you.
Do not believe doctrines of men.
Prove all things for yourself.
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sumr0luv wrote:The above argument against the Sabbath is lame to say the least. It was instituted and when and where is not up to you. But up to God.
And contrary to what you say the Sabbath(the 7th day) was created in the beginning with the rest of creation during the creation week... Hmm... lame? LOL
So, did Adam who was created on the sixth day observe the "first sabbath"?
If so, that would have been a day of rest after how many days of work? One day? If that.
What time during that sixth day was Adam created?
If it was late in the day, he would have only been around for a matter of hours before God took a rest.
That seems a bit off, doesn't it.
So humankind was off to a bad start. We missed the "first sabbath". Maybe that was the original sin.
Due to scheduling issues we missed the "first sabbath".
The Ten Commandments tell us that's a sin, right? Assuming Adam was jewish.
Eating fruit wasn't against the Ten Commandments, right?
To make matters worse, there is no evidence of Adam or anyone else observing a sabbath until Exodus chapter 16.
Your argument is a little thin. Back to the drawing board for you.
Your theory needs some work. Just don't get too wordy with your answer, okay?
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? - Galatians 4:16
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sumr0luv wrote:Nobody is rewriting the bible here. I simply am being thorough and giving every scripture to back up the subject.
I am well aware that you don't read all the post's by the fact that you come back with the same lame arguments that i had just proven with scripture to be erroneous.
I'm left wondering if you are thorough in your study of the scriptures.
Yes I am going round and round and that is exactly what it feels like. Trying to plug all the holes in your boat before it sinks.
Maybe you should try reading an entire post and not with an attitude to discredit but honestly search it to see if their is any truth. Being thorough?
I should try reading an entire post?
Listen to you.
Don't make your long unreadable posts my problem!
I'm not obligated to read anything you write.
The last time you criticized me for my study abilities you apologized for it.
Just because you disagree with my conclusions is no reason to post personal attacks.
Can you honestly say that you have read my posts to see if there is any truth?
Of course not. You are not looking for an honest exchange.
You ask others to approach the subject with an open mind.
But you have no intention of doing that. Tactics. Brain-washing tactics.
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? - Galatians 4:16
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stevelundgren wrote:sumr0luv wrote:... The Sabbath was created at creation. It is eternal and binding forever through the Ten commandments... Hmm... Very presumptuous.
Let's see...
The creation is at the beginning of Genesis and the Ten Commandments were given in Exodus chapter 20.
There is no indication of anyone observing the sabbath before Exodus chapter 16, when it was introduced.
How can you say the sabbath was from creation?
There is no evidence of anyone observing it until Exodus 16. (430 years after Abraham)
The law wasn't given until Exodus chapter 20 and following.
Galatians 3:16-17 NIV
The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. The Scripture does not say "and to seeds," meaning many people, but "and to your seed," meaning one person, who is Christ. What I mean is this: The law, introduced 430 years later, does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and thus do away with the promise. Let's see what the Bible says about Abraham's seed: (WARNING THIS MAY BE LENGTHY!)GALATIANS 3:6 Just as Abraham "believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness." 7 Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham. 8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, "In you all the nations shall be blessed." 9 So then those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham. (NKJV)
Many think that Paul here (quoting in v. 6 from Genesis 15:6) is stating that all one has to do is believe in faith, and that faith somehow substitutes for keeping the commandments of God. But let's examine the example of Abraham more closely. The Bible clearly shows that his faith led to obedience, as Hebrews 11 (the "faith chapter" records:
HEBREWS 11:8 By faith Abraham obeyed when he was called to go out to the place which he would receive as an inheritance. And he went out, not knowing where he was going. (NKJV)
HEBREWS 11:17 By faith Abraham, when he was tested, offered up Isaac, and he who had received the promises offered up his only begotten son, (NKJV)
The author of Hebrews clearly shows that Abraham's faith was confirmed by his OBEDIENCE to God. Faith is not a substitute for obedience. True faith leads to obedience, because the one who obeys believes that God "is a rewarder of those who diligently seek him" (Heb. 11:6). This is affirmed in God's confirmation to Isaac of the promises made to Abraham:
GENESIS 26:2 Then the LORD appeared to him [Isaac] and said: "Do not go down to Egypt; live in the land of which I shall tell you. 3 Dwell in this land, and I will be with you and bless you; for to you and your descendants I give all these lands, and I will perform the oath which I swore to Abraham your father. 4 And I will make your descendants multiply as the stars of heaven; I will give to your descendants all these lands; and in your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed; 5 because Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws." (NKJV)
Paul's statement in verse 6, when understood properly, perfectly compliments the words of James regarding Abraham's faith:
JAMES 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, "Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness." And he was called the friend of God. 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only. (NKJV)
These Scriptures do not contradict each other; Paul and James were making the same point regarding Abraham's faith. But Abraham's faithful obedience and the Galatian's legalistic obedience were two different things. The former showed faith in God's imputed righteousness, while the latter indicated reliance on one's own actions and abilities to become righteous.
GALATIANS 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law [ergon nomou] are under the curse; for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the Book of the Law, to do them." (NKJV)
When the Galatians began to seek their own righteousness by observing the law according to the sectarians' "Works of the Law," they had ceased depending on the sacrifice of the Messiah to make them righteous. At that point, in order to remain righteous, they had to keep the Law perfectly. This is the reason for Paul's warning here. He wanted to make them understand that their choice had left them no room for error.
GALATIANS 3:11 But that no one is justified by the Law in the sight of God is evident, for "the just shall live by faith." 12 Yet the Law is not of faith, but "the man who does them shall live by them." (NKJV)
What did Paul mean by his declaration that "the Law is not of faith"? Many take this to mean that observance of the Law is not required after the death and resurrection of Messiah. Some go so far as to say that those who seek to do what God has commanded are under a curse.
That certainly was not Paul's view. To him, observing the "works of the law" represented a legalistic mindset that sought to earn righteousness. Paul is not disparaging the Law itself, but rather the attitude represented by the sectarian teachings that had come to Galatia.
To better understand Paul's comments about the relationship of God's commandments to a believer, let's examine a scenario put forth by the Messiah himself:
LUKE 17:7 "And which of you, having a servant plowing or tending sheep, will say to him when he has come in from the field, 'Come at once and sit down to eat'? 8 But will he not rather say to him, 'Prepare something for my supper, and gird yourself and serve me till I have eaten and drunk, and afterward you will eat and drink'? 9 Does he thank that servant because he did the things that were commanded him? I think not. 10 So likewise you, when you have done all those things which you are commanded, say, 'We are unprofitable servants. We have done what was our duty to do.' " (NKJV)
According to Jesus, doing what God has commanded is not optional; it is our duty as His people. Those who anticipate earning a reward for obeying God's commandments will be disappointed. As his example clearly shows, obedience to the Law is expected of believers; it is a prerequisite to being considered a true follower of Jesus the Messiah (Matt. 7:21-23).
GALATIANS 3:13 Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree", 14 that the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. (NKJV)
Here Paul quotes from the law regarding the penalty for a capital crime under the Mosaic Law:
DEUTERONOMY 21:22 "If a man has committed a sin deserving of death, and he is put to death, and you hang him on a tree, 23 his body shall not remain overnight on the tree, but you shall surely bury him that day, so that you do not defile the land which the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance; for he who is hanged is accursed of God. (NKJV)
Paul told the Romans that by committing sin, one earns the death penalty (Rom. 6:23). James stated that even if a person kept the majority of the Law and just stumbled in one point of it, he was guilty of breaking it all (Jam. 2:10). Therefore, rather than the commonly held assumption that "the curse of the Law" is having to obey the Law, we see that "the curse of the Law" is the DEATH PENALTY required for not obeying the Law.
By living a sinless life (II Cor. 5:21; Heb. 4:15), Jesus was not under this death penalty. But even though he was not subject to the "curse of the Law," Jesus gave his life to redeem those who were under that judgment. Faithful acceptance of his sacrifice will save us from the "curse of the Law," which is God's wrath against unrepentant sinners:
ROMANS 5:8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Much more then, having now been justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. (NKJV)
To further make his point, Paul next addresses the covenant God made with Abraham:
GALATIANS 3:15 Brethren, I speak in the manner of men: Though it is only a man's covenant, yet if it is confirmed, no one annuls or adds to it. 16 Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say, "And to seeds," as of many, but as of one, "And to your Seed," who is Christ. 17 And this I say, that the Law, which was four hundred and thirty years later, cannot annul the covenant that was confirmed before by God in Christ, that it should make the promise of no effect. 18 For if the inheritance is of the Law, it is no longer of promise; but God gave it to Abraham by promise. (NKJV)
Now Paul goes into the promises and blessings given to Abraham. God gave Abraham the promise of a multitude of descendants, but He also promised him one SPECIFIC descendant:
GENESIS 22:18 "In your seed [zar'akha] all the nations of the earth shall be blessed, because you have obeyed My voice." (NKJV)
The Hebrew word zar'akha (root word zera, "seed" is singular (as is the Greek word spermati used in the Septuagint). This verse is the source of Paul's reference to ONE seed, the Messiah. Although Abraham certainly has a multitude of physical descendants, he has even more "offspring" through the work being performed by the Messiah.
Paul's point here is that legalistic obedience to the Law, which came 430 years after God made the promises to Abraham, does not nullify God's covenant with Abraham. This covenant promises God's salvation to all mankind through the work of the Messiah. However, this salvation does not negate the importance of obedience. The promises were given to Abraham based on his faithful obedience. Abraham BELIEVED what God told him, and he DID what God said. This included obeying God's laws, statutes and commandments, as God told Isaac (Gen. 26:5).
But here is the most important point: Abraham believed FIRST, and then OBEYED. The sectarian approach was just the opposite of Abraham's actions. They required perfect obedience to the Law FIRST as a qualification for the promised inheritance. In their view, faith was not the primary reason for observing the Law; ensuring one's place as an inheritor of the promises of Abraham was.For more info:CLICK HERECOG Writer LinkIf you open your bible be led by the Holy spirit.
Let God own you.
Do not believe doctrines of men.
Prove all things for yourself.
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stevelundgren wrote:sumr0luv wrote:Nobody is rewriting the bible here. I simply am being thorough and giving every scripture to back up the subject.
I am well aware that you don't read all the post's by the fact that you come back with the same lame arguments that i had just proven with scripture to be erroneous.
I'm left wondering if you are thorough in your study of the scriptures.
Yes I am going round and round and that is exactly what it feels like. Trying to plug all the holes in your boat before it sinks.
Maybe you should try reading an entire post and not with an attitude to discredit but honestly search it to see if their is any truth. Being thorough?
I should try reading an entire post?
Listen to you.
Don't make your long unreadable posts my problem!
I'm not obligated to read anything you write.
The last time you criticized me for my study abilities you apologized for it.
Just because you disagree with my conclusions is no reason to post personal attacks.
Can you honestly say that you have read my posts to see if there is any truth?
Of course not. You are not looking for an honest exchange.
You ask others to approach the subject with an open mind.
But you have no intention of doing that. Tactics. Brain-washing tactics.
I honestly with God as my witness say to you. I read all your post's Sarges,Pauls,Terrys and anyone i left out. I will say though I skim through the EGW stuff that Paul post's but I do read them and have found allot of truth in there.
No your not obligated to read my post's. But in the same light I don't think you can honestly post anything correctly, in response unless you have first taken the time to read it throuh.
And no. I am not Brain-washing anyone.For more info:CLICK HERECOG Writer LinkIf you open your bible be led by the Holy spirit.
Let God own you.
Do not believe doctrines of men.
Prove all things for yourself.
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sumr0luv wrote:... And no. I am not Brain-washing anyone. ___________________________________________________________________ 1  00-205 521 For more info: COG Writer Your intentions are quite obvious.
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? - Galatians 4:16
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sumr0luv wrote:I honestly with God as my witness say to you. I read all your post's ... Matthew 5:34-37 NIV
But I tell you, Do not swear at all: either by heaven, for it is God's throne; or by the earth, for it is his footstool; or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the Great King. And do not swear by your head, for you cannot make even one hair white or black. Simply let your 'Yes' be 'Yes,' and your 'No,' 'No'; anything beyond this comes from the evil one.
James 5:12 NIV
Above all, my brothers, do not swear—not by heaven or by earth or by anything else. Let your "Yes" be yes, and your "No," no, or you will be condemned.
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? - Galatians 4:16
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Good Morning.
The soul who lets himself pick up the Bible is opening up the treasures of God. To be allowed to know God is priceless!
When I at the age of 33 found out about the sabbath, it was a marvel that I hadn't known it earlier. No one kept Sunday as the Bible says you should keep sabbath.
Nope.
Sunday was church, then ball games or some other activity that had nothing to do with God.
The sabbath however, was/is different.
The sabbath requires the ENTIRE 24 hour day.......evening to evening..........Lev 23:32 last part..... from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your sabbath.
The Bible says this is a time of worship to the Creator.
Mark 1:32And at even, when the sun did set, they brought unto him all that were diseased, and them that were possessed with devils.
Satan despises the sabbath as it calls attention to the Maker of all things.....Jesus.
it is the Fourth Commandment.
Tuesday September 7
The Grafted Branch
Read Romans 11:11–15. What great hope does Paul present in these verses?
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In these verses, we find two parallel expressions: (1) “their [the Israelites’] fulness” (vs. 12), and (2) “the receiving of them [the Israelites]” (vs. 15). Paul envisioned the diminishing and the casting away to be only temporary and to be followed by fullness and recep- tion. This is Paul’s second answer to the question raised at the begin- ning of this chapter, “Hath God cast away his people?” What appears to be a casting away, he says, is only a temporary situation.
Read Romans 11:16–24. What is Paul saying to us here? _______________________________________________________
Paul likens the faithful remnant in Israel to a noble olive tree, some of whose branches have been broken off (the unbelieving ones)—an illustration he used to prove that “God hath not cast away his people” (vs. 2). The root and trunk are still there.
Into this tree the believing Gentiles have been grafted. But they are drawing their sap and vitality from the root and trunk, which represent believing Israel.
What happened to those who rejected Jesus could happen also to the believing Gentiles. The Bible teaches no doctrine of “once saved, always saved.” Just as salvation is freely offered, it freely can be rejected. Though we have to be careful of thinking that every time we fall we are out of salvation, or that unless we are perfect we aren’t saved, we need to avoid the opposite ditch as well—the idea that once God’s grace covers us, there is nothing we can do, no choices we can make, that will take the provision of salvation away from us. In the end, only those who “continue in his goodness” (vs. 22) will be saved.
No believer should boast of his or her own goodness or feel any superiority over his or her fellow human beings. Our salvation was not earned; it is a gift. Before the Cross, before the standard of God’s holiness, we all are equal: sinners in need of divine grace, sinners in need of a holiness that can be ours only through grace. We have noth- ing of ourselves to boast about; our boasting should be only in Jesus and what He has done for us by coming into this world in human flesh, suffering our woes, dying for our sins, offering us a model for how we are to live, and promising us the power to live that life. In it all, we are completely dependent upon Him, for without Him we would have no hope beyond what this world itself offers.
Jeremiah 6:
16 Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein.
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paulwhut wrote:... Satan despises the sabbath as it calls attention to the Maker of all things.....Jesus.
it is the Fourth Commandment... We'll add this to the rest of your falsehood and misinformation.
- The Pope changed the sabbath to Sunday. False!
- The RCC changed the Ten Commandments. False!
- Satan despises the sabbath. Probably False too.
It's more likely that Satan loves the sabbath, or at least sabbatarians.
And honestly, why would Satan care if attention was called to the Creator of all things.
It happens all the time. And is that really what sabbath observance does?
People put themselves under house arrest to eat cold leftovers and rest.
I'm sure Satan is shaking in his boots. Get a grip!
Consider this.
If Jesus Christ came to free Israel and all of us from the law, then gentiles observing the sabbath is a slap in his face.
Gentiles were never required to observe the law. Why would they take on a yoke of bondage never meant for them?
Acts 15:10 NIV
Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of the disciples a yoke that neither we nor our fathers have been able to bear?
Galatians 5:1 NIV
It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.
Colossians 2:14 NIV
having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross.
Galatians 5:4 NIV
You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.
Philippians 3:18 NIV
For, as I have often told you before and now say again even with tears, many live as enemies of the cross of Christ.
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? - Galatians 4:16
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