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WAKE UP PAULWHUT!
Still Walking Backwards
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I have been misrepresented by those who do not know me.
John 8:41-44
41 Ye do the deeds of your father.
Then said they to him,
We be not born of fornication;
we have one Father,even God.
42 Jesus said unto them,
If God were your Father,
ye would love me:
for I proceeded forth and came from God;
neither came I of myself,
but he sent me
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stevelundgren wrote:paulwhut wrote:... What a God! This God who made all life, everything, came and died for us. To show our allegiance to Him he set up a test........the sabbath... Hmm...
This sounds important.
Where is this "test" presented to gentiles in the new testament?
Or to Israel in the old for that matter.
Are you making this stuff up?
What were you saying about going by "the Book"?
Here's what a new testament Jew says about this.
Romans 7:6
But now, by dying to what once bound us,
we have been released from the law
so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit,
and not in the old way of the written code.
Proverbs 30:6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar."If a man loses pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music in which he hears, however measured, or far away.” Henry David Thoreau
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TerryD wrote:Proverbs 30:6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar. More commandment breaking from Jesus?
John 13:34
A new command I give you: Love one another.
As I have loved you, so you must love one another.
Matthew 5:21-22
You have heard that it was said to the people long ago... But I tell you...
Mark 2:27
Then he said to them, "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? - Galatians 4:16
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Good Morning. Today is Wednesday, the Fourth Day of the Week towards the sabbath. Mittwoch, a working day.
The last of Matt 28 Jesus gives the "GREAT COMMISSION"....go ye into all the world.....and as has been stated before, the Seventh Day Adventist church in the world is preaching the Three Angels Messages found in Rev 14:6-12.
Yes there is much resistance. But there are growing numbers in the world who are searching for the Truth as it is in Jesus Christ. The sabbath is a memorial to Him as the Creator of the world and all that is in it. The seventh day sabbath is holy. And it is in the middle of the Ten Commandments.
Satan has determined to wipe out all vestiges of Truth....even has the RCC killing Jesus every day all day continually through the mass. Jesus died once for all, and is alive and well and serving as our High Priest in the heavenly sanctuary, and soon will come for his saints with his reward. The wicked will be judged at the end of the 1000 years....see Rev 20.
As mentioned earlier, the dead know nothing and are resting in their graves waiting the call of the Life-giver......then you have another resurrection of the wicked that occurrs at the end of the 1000 years, and they face the Judge at that time. The saints will judge the wicked and also the fallen angels.......
I Corinthians 6:
1 Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?
2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
the sabbath, the dead......satan has attacked them both and you have your Bible........read it prayerfully.
“Interview Quotes”
By Darryl Eberhart, Editor of “Examining the Tough Issues (ETI)” and
“Tackling the Tough Topics (TTT)” (www.toughissues.org)
DATE: September 19, 2007 (Updated: November 26, 2007)
THE FOLLOWING are quotes concerning the Jesuit Order that I read “on air” during an interview with Greg Szymanski of “The Investigative Journal” on September 18, 2007. I have since added one quote by a former Jesuit by name of Abbé M. De La Roche Arnauld, plus a few comments by me.
“Interview Quotes”
“Between 1555 and 1931 the Society of Jesus [i.e., the Jesuit Order] was expelled from at least 83 countries, city states and cities, for engaging in political intrigue and subversion plots against the welfare of the State, according to the records of a Jesuit priest of repute [i.e., Thomas J. Campbell]. …Practically every instance of expulsion was for political intrigue, political infiltration, political subversion, and inciting to political insurrection.” – J.E.C. Shepherd (Canadian historian; “The Babington Plot”; 1987; Page 12)
“My history of the Jesuits is not eloquently written, but it is supported by unquestionable authorities, [and] is very particular and very horrible. Their [the Jesuit Order’s] restoration [in 1814 by Pope Pius VII] is indeed a step toward darkness, cruelty, despotism, [and] death. …I do not like the appearance of the Jesuits. If ever there was a body of men who merited eternal damnation on earth and in hell, it is this Society of [Ignatius de] Loyola.”
John Adams (1735-1826; 2nd President of the United States) (This quote is taken from a letter written by John Adams to Thomas Jefferson in 1816.)
“It is my opinion that if the liberties of this country – the United States of America – are destroyed, it will be by the subtlety of the Roman Catholic Jesuit priests, for they are the most crafty, dangerous enemies to civil and religious liberty. They have instigated MOST of the wars of Europe.” – Marquis de LaFayette (1757-1834; French statesman and general who served under General George Washington during the American Revolutionary War)
“The whole frightful responsibility for this terrible Thirty Years’ War [1618-1648] must rest upon the [Holy Roman] Emperor Ferdinand II, and his teachers, rulers, and bosom friends – the Sons of Loyola [i.e., the Jesuits].”
Theodor Griesinger (German historian; 1873)
“They [i.e., the Jesuits] have so constantly mixed themselves up in court and state intrigues that they must, in justice, be reproached with striving after world dominion. They cost kings their lives, not on the scaffold, but by assassination, and equally hurtful as the society of Illuminati; they were the foremost among the crowd, at all events, who applauded the murder scenes in Paris [during the French Revolution of 1789-1799].” – Archduke Maxmilian Francis (Quote is from “The Jesuits in History” by Hector Macpherson; P. 126)
“Without exception, every chief actor in the French Revolution [1789-1799] was either Jesuit-educated, a Catholic prelate, or a member of the Illuminati Order [Ed. Note: a Jesuit front organization] where within the Jacobin Club they would come together to conspire and carry out the ‘Great Work’ – which in the open system of the Jacobins was the reflection of the complete hidden system of the Illuminati – and in back of the Illuminati were the hidden Jesuit ‘masters’.” – John Daniel (“The Grand Design Exposed”; 1999; Pages 212, 213)
“The Jesuits, [Jesuit Adam] Weishaupt, and the Rothschilds managed to cast the blame for the French Revolution [1789-1799] on their front organization, the Illuminati!” – Bill Hughes (“The Enemy Unmasked”; 2004; Page 31)
“The war [i.e., the American Civil War of 1861-1865] would never have been possible without the sinister influence of the Jesuits.”
Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865; 16th President of the United States)
“The Jesuits killed [President] Lincoln and buried the evidence.”
C.T. Wilcox (“The Transformation of the Republic”; 2005; Page 12)
“It would seem that the Jesuits had had it in mind, from the beginning of the war [the American Civil War of 1861-1865], to find an occasion for the taking off [i.e., the assassination] of Mr. [Abraham] Lincoln.”
Thomas M. Harris (U.S. Army Brigadier General; “Rome’s Responsibility for the Assassination of Abraham Lincoln”; 1897; Page 41)
“…The favorite policy of the Jesuits [is] that of assassination.”
Thomas M. Harris (U.S. Army Brigadier General; “Rome’s Responsibility for the Assassination of Abraham Lincoln”; 1897; Page 19)
“The [American] Civil War [of 1861-1865] was not a ‘homespun’ affair. It was the result of the same upheavals that have changed the face of Europe. The promises and active help of the European empires and the Church of Rome along with the Jesuit Order had stiffened the resolve and attitude of the Southern leaders, some of whom were quite willing to see the monarchic principle triumph in North America.”
C. T. Wilcox (“The Transformation of the Republic”; 2005; Page 8)
“The public is practically unaware of the overwhelming responsibility carried by the Vatican and its Jesuits in the starting of the two world wars – a situation which may be explained in part by the gigantic finances at the disposition of the Vatican and its Jesuits, giving them power in so many spheres, especially since the last conflict.” – Edmond Paris (French author; born a Roman Catholic; “The Secret History of the Jesuits”; 1975; Page 9)
“The Jesuits…are a secret society – a sort of Masonic order – with superadded features of revolting odiousness, and a thousand times more dangerous.” – Samuel Morse (1791-1872; inventor of the telegraph; author of “Foreign Conspiracy Against the Liberties of the United States”)
“[The Jesuits] are the deadly enemies of civil and religious liberty.”
R. W. Thompson (Ex-Secretary, American Navy)
“The Jesuits…are simply the Romish army for the earthly sovereignty of the world in the future, with the Pontiff of Rome for emperor…that’s their ideal. …It is simple lust of power, of filthy earthly gain, of domination – something like a universal serfdom with them [i.e., the Jesuits] as masters – that’s all they stand for. They don’t even believe in God perhaps.” (1880)
Fyodor Dostoyevsky (1821-1881; famous Russian novelist)
“For over 200 years, the goal [of the Jesuits] has been the complete destruction of the United States Constitution. …In the religious arena, the goal of the Jesuits is to wipe out any trace of Protestantism and other religions, and to restore worldwide domination by the pope.”
Bill Hughes (“The Secret Terrorists”; 2002; Page 138)
“Today they [i.e., the Jesuits] are stronger in the United States than they ever were in any of the countries of Europe which expelled them as a menace to the government.” (1912)
Jeremiah J. Crowley (Irishman; ex-Roman Catholic priest; author of “Romanism: A Menace to the Nation”)
And here’s an additional quote that I had not previously used in any of my various writings:
“Do you wish to excite troubles, to provoke revolution, to produce the total ruin of your country? [Well, if you do, then] Call in the Jesuits; raise up again their monks; open academies, and build magnificent [Jesuit] colleges for these hotheaded religionists; suffer [i.e., permit, allow] those audacious priests, in their dictatorial and dogmatic tone, to decide on affairs of State.”
Abbé M. De La Roche Arnauld (former Jesuit; quote taken from page 32 of the book, “The Jesuits in History”, by Hector Macpherson)
Comments by Editor of ETI & TTT to all the above quotes:
(1) Were all the above men, including two U.S. presidents, ignorant, uninformed, poorly educated, and/or “smoking hemp” when they uttered such harsh words against, and gave us such GRAVE WARNINGS about, the Jesuit Order?
(2) The Jesuit Order’s primary goals have been (a.) to counter the Protestant Reformation; (b.) to wage war on God’s Word, and in particular the King James Bible (if you do not believe this, then please read B. G. Wilkinson’s book, “Our Authorized Bible Vindicated”); and, (c.) to restore the papacy (with the Jesuits’ Superior General the real power behind the papal throne) to geopolitical SUPREMACY as in the days when popes RULED Europe with an iron fist!
Many Roman Catholic monarchs in Europe (whose populations were predominantly Roman Catholic) had the common sense to throw the Jesuit Order out of their countries. Some of these European Roman Catholic countries expelled the Jesuit Order at least three times (e.g., France, Spain, and Portugal). A number of Roman Catholic countries in South and Central America had the common sense to expel the Jesuit Order. Czar Alexander I of Russia had the common sense to expel the Jesuit Order.
But supposedly Protestant America welcomed the Jesuit Order to its shores, where, according to Jeremiah J. Crowley, it had by 1931 become stronger here than it had ever been on the European continent!
Do we Americans not realize that the reason these many other nations of the world expelled the Jesuits so many times was that the Jesuits were constantly mixing themselves in the POLITICAL life of those nations, fomenting bloody revolutions and wars, and assassinating those heads of State who would not “play ball” with them?
I must ask: WHY have these Jesuits been ALLOWED to grow so strong here in the USA? And WHY are they STILL here? Can America survive with any degree of freedom as long as these “haters of freedom” reside in this Republic?
(4) A large segment of the so-called “alternative media” blames all the world’s woes, including the advance of the so-called “New World Order”, on “the Jews” – yet largely IGNORES the immense power, influence, and wealth of the Vatican-Papacy-Jesuits-Knights of Malta cabal! WHY is this? (This last question NEEDS to be openly and honestly discussed by ALL of the so-called “alternative media” – i.e., WHY is this massive COVER-UP of Vatican-Jesuit power in the USA occurring in so much of the “alternative media”?)
I do hope that the quotations at the beginning of this article prove helpful. I also hope that some of you who are broadcast hosts who have been reluctant in the past to cover the immense power, influence, and wealth of the Vatican-Papacy-Jesuits-Knights of Malta cabal will begin to do so in earnest (as Greg Szymanski has been doing). Please check out his website: www.arcticbeacon.com. You might also want to check out my articles on www.toughissues.org (my website).
And here are several more Internet websites that deal with the “tough topic” of the Vatican-Papacy-Jesuits-Knights of Malta cabal that you might wish to check out: www.gordoncomstock.com, C.T. Wilcox’s www.ctwilcox.com, Eric Jon Phelps’ www.vaticanassassins.org, Thomas Richards’ www.SpirituallySmart.com, www.vyzygoth.com, and John Daniel’s www.vaticandesignexposed.com. Please also check out these two websites that offer some great “information tools” dealing with the Vatican, Papacy, and Jesuits: www.bereanbeacon.org and www.chick.com.
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Wednesday, February 8
The Law and the Prophets
Little controversy exists over the existence of the law in the period after Sinai. The Old Testament writings are filled with references to the law.
And though, so often, those references deal with Israel’s transgression of the law and the subsequent punishments, other texts reveal the great love and reverence many in Israel had for the law, which included not just the Ten Commandments but all of the rules and precepts that the Lord had given to His people.
In what ways do the following texts extoll the law? What attitudes do they reveal?
Isa. 48:17, 18____________________________________________ _______________________________________________________
Ps. 119:69–72 ___________________________________________ _______________________________________________________
Ps. 119:97–103___________________________________________ _______________________________________________________
Jer. 31:33_______________________________________________ _______________________________________________________
Contrary to popular beliefs, although Israel (ideally) loved the law, those who understood the law’s function never saw it as a means of salvation.
The Hebrew religion had always been a religion of grace, even though the people went from one extreme to the other: from trampling the law openly and blatantly, as in the first-temple period, to extreme legalism, as seen so clearly in the time of Jesus.
Why, though, such a love of the law? Again, if one understands the word law to encompass not just the Ten Commandments but the whole body of Old Testament teachings, especially the first five books of Moses, then you understand that what was loved was the message of salvation, of grace, of redemption. They loved the “truth” as it was revealed to them and as they best grasped it. It wasn’t a love of rules, per se, but a love of a set of guidelines and principles that, if kept, would have opened the way for many blessings and promises, because all that God had given them was for their own good and well-being.
Is it any different today?
Think about what God has given us as a people. How could we better live out the wonderful light with which we have been blessed?[/color] Rivers of waters run down mine eyes, because they keep not thy law.
Ps 119:136
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paulwhut wrote:... The last of Matt 28 Jesus gives the "GREAT COMMISSION"....go ye into all the world.....and as has been stated before, the Seventh Day Adventist church in the world is preaching the Three Angels Messages found in Rev 14:6-12... Since when does the "GREAT COMMISSION" include the "Three Angels Messages"?
Is that what we are instructed to do? Deliver the "Three Angels Messages"?
Where are we directed to do that?
Since when? Since Ellen G White. Not before.
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? - Galatians 4:16
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The Great Commission.
Nothing about the "Three Angels Messages".
Read for yourselves.
"... you have your Bible........read it prayerfully." - paulwhut
Matthew 28:18-20
Then Jesus came to them and said,
“All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them
in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you.
And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? - Galatians 4:16
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THE SPIRIT OF ANTICHRIST
Our Savior exists as a man right now in glory. He is a living person—with
flesh, bone, hair, eyes—even though He is God. Although we are here on earth,
His Spirit dwells within us: “And because you are sons, God has sent forth the
Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying out, ‘Abba, Father!’”
(Galatians 4:6).
Yet, there is another spirit at work in the world—the antichrist spirit. Just
as surely as Christ has given us His Spirit, there is an antichrist spirit in
the world, preparing hearts for the coming of the Man of Sin!
"And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and
is now already in the world" (1 John 4:3). John is saying, "You have heard about
the coming of the Antichrist. It has been preached and taught, and you expect
his arrival. But, beloved, wake up, because the spirit of antichrist is already
at work!"
Understand, the Antichrist will not suddenly appear on the scene and overwhelm
humankind. Rather, his spirit is mysteriously at work now, setting up his
kingdom in cold, compromising hearts. When he finally appears, he will be
publicly revealed to a world already prepared for him, to hearts his spirit
already possesses!
Right now we see a growing antichrist sentiment, but soon this will turn into a
flowing stream and, eventually, a vast ocean. The antichrist spirit is invading
the hearts of many apostate Christians even now. "But how?" you ask. "Why would
certain Christians ever turn to the Antichrist?" It is because they are
like-minded with him.
John writes: "Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves
the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the
world—the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life—is
not of the Father but is of the world. . . . Little children, it is the last
hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many
antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour" (1 John
2:15-18).
John is warning us that those who still love the things of this world have
opened themselves to the spirit of antichrist. He is saying, "You know these
are the last days because so many are full of the covetous, antichrist spirit!"
by David Wilkerson
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stevelundgren wrote:
The Great Commission.
Nothing about the "Three Angels Messages".
Read for yourselves.
"... you have your Bible........read it prayerfully." - paulwhut
Matthew 28:18-20
Then Jesus came to them and said,
“All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them
in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you.
And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
Mat 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
"If a man loses pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music in which he hears, however measured, or far away.” Henry David Thoreau
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TerryD wrote:stevelundgren wrote:
The Great Commission.
Nothing about the "Three Angels Messages".
Read for yourselves.
"... you have your Bible........read it prayerfully." - paulwhut
Matthew 28:18-20
Then Jesus came to them and said,
“All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them
in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you.
And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
Mat 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying,
Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
Acts 1:8
But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you;
and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria,
and to the ends of the earth.”
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? - Galatians 4:16
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stevelundgren wrote:TerryD wrote:stevelundgren wrote:
The Great Commission.
Nothing about the "Three Angels Messages".
Read for yourselves.
"... you have your Bible........read it prayerfully." - paulwhut
Matthew 28:18-20
Then Jesus came to them and said,
“All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them
in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you.
And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
Mat 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying,
Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
Acts 1:8
But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you;
and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria,
and to the ends of the earth.”
Mat 10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Mat 10:7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Mat 10:8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give."If a man loses pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music in which he hears, however measured, or far away.” Henry David Thoreau
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TerryD wrote:stevelundgren wrote:TerryD wrote:stevelundgren wrote:
The Great Commission.
Nothing about the "Three Angels Messages".
Read for yourselves.
"... you have your Bible........read it prayerfully." - paulwhut
Matthew 28:18-20
Then Jesus came to them and said,
“All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them
in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you.
And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
Mat 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying,
Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
Acts 1:8
But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you;
and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria,
and to the ends of the earth.” Mat 10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Mat 10:7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Mat 10:8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give. Matthew 28 and Acts 1 follow Matthew 10.
Matthew 10 was a temporary limited order. Matthew 28 and Acts 1 are general and still in force.
Revelation 14:6
Then I saw another angel flying in midair,
and he had the eternal gospel to proclaim to those who live on the earth—
to every nation, tribe, language and people.
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? - Galatians 4:16
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stevelundgren wrote:TerryD wrote:stevelundgren wrote:TerryD wrote:stevelundgren wrote:
The Great Commission.
Nothing about the "Three Angels Messages".
Read for yourselves.
"... you have your Bible........read it prayerfully." - paulwhut
Matthew 28:18-20
Then Jesus came to them and said,
“All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them
in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you.
And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
Mat 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying,
Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
Acts 1:8
But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you;
and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria,
and to the ends of the earth.” Mat 10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Mat 10:7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Mat 10:8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give. Matthew 28 and Acts 1 follow Matthew 10.
Matthew 10 was a temporary limited order. Matthew 28 and Acts 1 are general and still in force.
Revelation 14:6
Then I saw another angel flying in midair,
and he had the eternal gospel to proclaim to those who live on the earth—
to every nation, tribe, language and people.
I think it's time for you to play 52 pickup."If a man loses pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music in which he hears, however measured, or far away.” Henry David Thoreau
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Good Morning, today is Thursday, the Fifth Day of the Week towards the sabbath.....a working day.
“go ye therefore and teach all nations”..........Mat 28:
“ baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
.........Revelation of John 14:
6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
.”7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
.....so what church in the world is obeying the words of Jesus......?
The Seventh Day Adventists. And did you notice that the words of the first angel are very similar to the Fourth Commandment?
Exodus 20:
11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
Who made what? The heaven and the earth and the seas......Whom do we worship? The Creator God. And what day did the Creator God set aside to be his “holy” day......?
Genesis 2:
1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
Isaiah 58:
13 ¶If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:
14 Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.
You sundaykeepers have a lot of explaining to do....when you stand up in front of the Judge of all of the earth, and he asks you a simple question......"why did you not obey me?........."You knew about the sabbath, you knew how I felt about my creation, you know I am a jealous God yet you persisted in error".........
Incidentally, this conversation will probably take place at the end of the 1000 years, as you will have been in the second resurrection......the resurrection of the damned. You will not take sundaykeeping into the new earth.
again.......one more time with feelin'......"you will not take sundaykeepinng into the new earth".....!
Roman Catholic and Protestant Confessions about Sunday
The vast majority of Christian churches today teach the observance of Sunday, the first day of the week, as a time for rest and worship. Yet it is generally known and freely admitted that the early Christians observed the seventh day as the Sabbath. How did this change come about?
History reveals that it was decades after the death of the apostles that a politico-religious system repudiated the Sabbath of Scripture and substituted the observance of the first day of the week. The following quotations, all from Roman Catholic sources, freely acknowledge that there is no Biblical authority for the observance of Sunday, that it was the Roman Church that changed the Sabbath to the first day of the week.
In the second portion of this booklet are quotations from Protestants. Undoubtedly all of these noted clergymen, scholars, and writers kept Sunday, but they all frankly admit that there is no Biblical authority for a first-day sabbath.
Roman Catholic Confessions
James Cardinal Gibbons, The Faith of our Fathers, 88th ed., pp. 89.
"But you may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we never sanctify."
Stephen Keenan, A Doctrinal Catechism 3rd ed., p. 174
"Question: Have you any other way of proving that the Church has power to institute festivals of precept?
"Answer: Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her-she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday, the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday, the seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority."
John Laux, A Course in Religion for Catholic High Schools and Academies
(1 936), vol. 1, P. 51.
"Some theologians have held that God likewise directly determined the Sunday as the day of worship in the New Law, that He Himself has explicitly substituted the Sunday for the Sabbath. But this theory is now entirely abandoned. It is now commonly held that God simply gave His Church the power to set aside whatever day or days she would deem suitable as Holy Days. The Church chose Sunday, the first day of the week, and in the course of time added other days as holy days."
Daniel Ferres, ed., Manual of Christian Doctrine (1916), p.67.
"Question: How prove you that the Church hath power to command feasts and holy days?
"Answer. By the very act of changing the Sabbath into Sunday, which Protestants allow of, and therefore they fondly contradict themselves, by keeping Sunday strictly, and breaking most other feasts commanded by the same Church.'
James Cardinal Gibbons, Archbishop of Baltimore (1877-1921), in a signed letter.
"Is Saturday the seventh day according to the Bible and the Ten Commandments? I answer yes. Is Sunday the first day of the week and did the Church change the seventh day -Saturday - for Sunday, the first day? I answer yes . Did Christ change the day'? I answer no!
"Faithfully yours, J. Card. Gibbons"
Thursday, February 9
The Law in the New Covenant
From the start, the principles of the Ten Commandments were given to humanity out of the Lord’s love for people. The law has always been intended to be a blessing. You obey the law, and you are greatly protected from the ravages of sin; you disobey, and you face the inevitable conse- quences of transgression. Who needs theology to know, personally, just how painful sin and its consequences are? How often can you read the results of sin on the faces of those who have been ravaged by it?
Although sections of the New Testament—Paul’s writing specif- ically—deal with those who have misunderstood the purpose of the law, the
commandments of God have been presented in the New Testament in a positive, uplifting way.
Read Hebrews 8:10 and 10:16 in their contexts. How is God’s law presented in these texts? As something still relevant, or as some- thing negated by grace?
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So often, we see people seeking to place the law in opposition to God’s love or God’s grace, the idea being that if you truly love, then God’s law is negated. One could argue that love transcends the law, in the sense that one who truly loves God and others reveals the ultimate principles of the law. But this is no excuse for negating the law. On the contrary, love fulfills the law; love is the law expressed in its purest form.
It’s like the parts of a car. The parts don’t exist as ends in them- selves; they are there so that the car will go from place to place. That’s their purpose, so that the car can move. Yet, without each part, the car wouldn’t function. The law is like that: it’s not an end in itself but the means to an end, and that end is a deep expression of love, love for God and love for others.
Look up these texts. How do they help us to understand the link between love and law? Rom. 13:8–10; Gal. 5:14; James 2:8; 1 John 5:2, 3.
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Dwell more on the links between God’s law and love. Law- keeping without love leads to what? Love without law-keeping leads to what? Write out your thoughts and bring them to class on Sabbath. Rivers of waters run down mine eyes, because they keep not thy law.
Ps 119:136
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No excuses will be given, as none are acceptable. The Gospel is clear and simple......Our God came and died for us, that we may have eternal life, and in return we are to worship and obey Him. Not on our terms, but on His terms.........period.
Section 9
The Sabbath
Chapter 98.
The Seal of God and
the Mark of Apostasy
1. WHAT does the Bible present as the object of a sign, or seal?
"Now, O king, establish the decree, and sign the writing, that it be not changed." Dan. 6:8.
NOTE.-That is, affix the signature of royalty, that it may have the proper authority, and thus be of force. Anciently it was customary for kings to use a ring, containing their name, initials, or monogram, for this purpose. Jezebel, the wife of Ahab, "wrote letters in Ahab's name, and sealed them with his seal." 1 Kings 21:8. Of the decree issued under Ahasuerus for the slaying of all the Jews throughout the Persian Empire it is said that "in the name of King Ahasuerus was it written, and sealed with the king's ring." Esther 3:12.
2. What are the three essentials to an official seal?
To be complete, an official seal must show three things: (1) The name of the lawgiver; (2) his official position, title, or authority, and so his right to rule; and (3) his kingdom, or the extent of his dominion and jurisdiction. Thus: "Woodrow Wilson, President of the United States," "George IV, King of Great Britain," "Nicholas II, Czar of Russia."
3. With what is God's seal connected?
"Bind up the testimony, seal THE LAW among My disciples." Isa. 8:16.
4. Does the first commandment show who the author of the law is?
"Thou shalt have no other gods before Me." Ex. 20:3.
NOTE.-Who the "me" here spoken of is, the commandment itself does not state. Such a prohibition might come from any source. Any heathen could claim it as a command from his god, and, so far as the commandment itself goes, no one could disprove his claim.
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5. Does the second, third, fifth, sixth, seventh, eighth, ninth, or tenth commandment indicate the author of the decalogue?
No; none of them.
NOTE.-The second commandment forbids the making of and bowing down to images, but does not in itself reveal who the true God is. The third commandment says, "Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain," but it likewise fails to reveal the true God and giver of the law. A worshiper of the sun might say he kept this commandment so far as it itself reveals what god is meant. So of the other commandments here referred to. In the last five commandments the name of God is not even mentioned.
6. Which commandment alone of the decalogue reveals the true God and Author of the law?
"Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work: but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy man servant, nor thy maid servant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day, and hallowed it." Verses 8-11.
NOTE.-The fourth commandment alone reveals the name, authority, and dominion of the Author of this law. In six days, (1) the Lord (name); (2) made (office, Creator); (3) heaven and earth (dominion). This commandment alone, therefore, contains "the seal of the living God." By what is revealed in this commandment is shown what God is referred to in the other commandments. By the great truth revealed here all other gods are shown to be false gods. The Sabbath commandment, therefore, contains the seal of God; and the Sabbath itself, the observance of which is enjoined by the commandment, is inseparably connected with this seal; it is to be kept in in memory of the fact that God is the Creator of all things; and it is itself called a "sign" of the knowledge of this great truth. Ex. 31:17; Eze. 20:20.
7. What reason does God give for the Sabbath being an everlasting sign between Him and His people?
"It is a sign between Me and the children of Israel forever: for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day He rested, and was refreshed." Ex. 31:17.
NOTE.-The Sabbath is the sign, or mark, or seal, of the true God, the Creator.
8. Of what does God say the keeping or hallowing of the Sabbath is a sign?
"And hallow My Sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between Me and you, that ye may know that I am the Lord your God." Eze. 20:20.
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9. Of what besides a knowledge of God as Creator, is the Sabbath a sign?
"Verily My Sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the Lord that doth SANCTIFY you." Ex. 31:13.
NOTE.-The Sabbath is the great sign of God's creative power wherever and however manifested, whether in creation or redemption; for redemption is creation- re-creation. It requires the same power to redeem that it does to create. "Create in me a clean heart." Ps. 51:10. "For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works," Eph, 2:10. At each recurrence of the Sabbath, God designs that it shall call Him to mind as the One who created us, and whose grace and sanctifying power are working in us to fit us for His eternal kingdom.
10. What scripture shows that a special sealing work is to take place just before the letting loose of the winds of destruction upon the earth?
"And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel." Rev. 7:1-4. See Eze. 9:1-6.
11. Where did the apostle see this same company a little later, and what did they have in their foreheads?
"And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with Him an hundred forty and four thousand, having His Father's name written in their foreheads." Rev. 14:1.
NOTE.-The seal of God and the Father's name must refer to the same thing. The seal is the sign or stamp of perfection and God's name stands for His character, which is perfection. And the Sabbath of God, kept as God ordained it to be kept, holy, and in holiness, is a sign of this same thing- perfection of character. When this seal is finally placed upon God's people, it will be an evidence that His grace and His sanctifying power have done their work, and fitted them for heaven. In the world to come, all will keep the Sabbath, and will therefore have this seal or mark of sanctification, holiness, and perfection of character. Isa. 66:22,23.
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12. What is said of the character of these sealed ones?
"And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God." Verse 5.
13. How is the remnant church described?
"Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep
the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus." Verse 12.
14. Against what three things does the third angel of Revelation 14 warn men?
"And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, the same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God." Verses 9,10.
NOTE.-The beast represents the Papacy; the image to the beast represents another ecclesiastical body dominating civil power. See readings in Chapters 60. and 61. of this book. And over against the seal of God stands the mark of the beast, the mark of apostasy. Against this false and idolatrous worship and the reception of this mark, God sends this solemn warning.
15. What power mentioned in the thirteenth chapter of Revelation is to enforce this mark?
"And he [the two-horned beast] causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads." Rev. 13:16.
NOTE.-The two-horned beast is understood to represent the United States of America. See reading in Chapter 61. of this book. As this nation repudiates her principles of civil and religious liberty, and becomes a persecuting power, other nations will follow her example in oppressing those who refuse to yield their allegiance to God.
16. What does the Papacy set forth as the mark, or sign, of its power and authority?
"Question.-How prove you that the church hath power to command feasts and holy days?
"Answer.-By the very act of changing the Sabbath into Sunday, which Protestants allow of."- "Abridgment of Christian Doctrine," by Rev. Henry Tuberville, D. D., page 58.
NOTES.-In a letter written in November, 1895, Mr. H. F. Thomas, chancellor to Cardinal Gibbons, replying to an inquiry as to whether the Catholic Church claims to have changed the Sabbath, said: "Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change was her act, . . . and the act is a mark of her ecclesiastical authority in religious things." See readings in Chapters 97. and 102. of this book.
The true Sabbath being a sign of loyalty to the true God, it is but natural that the false sabbath should be regarded as a sign of allegiance to apostasy. And such we find to be the case.
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17. What do papal authorities say of the observance of Sunday by Protestants?
"The observance of Sunday by the Protestants is an homage they pay, in spite of themselves, to the authority of the [Catholic] church."- "Plain Talk About the Protestantism of Today," by Monsignor Segur, page 213.
NOTE.-The statement here made is true, and a full realization of the fact will lead those who honestly, but ignorantly, have heretofore been observing Sunday as the Sabbath, to refuse longer to pay homage to apostasy and return to the observance of that which is the sign of loyalty to heaven,- the only weekly day of rest which God, in His Word, has commanded men to keep holy, the seventh day.
18. What will be the dragon's attitude toward the remnant people who keep the commandments of God?
"And the dragon was wroth, with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ." Rev. 12:17.
19. How strongly will this false worship and the enforcement of this mark be urged?
"That the image of the beast should both speak, and cause [decree] that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: and that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark." Rev. 13:15-17. See note under question 19 in Chapter 52. of this book.
20. Over what do the people of God finally gain the victory?
"And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God." Rev. 15:2.
THE God that made the earth,
And all the worlds on high,
Who gave all creatures birth,
In earth, and sea, and sky,
After six days in work employed,
Upon the seventh a rest enjoyed.
The Sabbath day was blessed,
Hallowed, and sanctified;
It was Jehovah's rest,
And so it must abide;
'Twas set apart before the fall,
'Twas made for man, 'twas made for all.
R. F. COTTRELL. Rivers of waters run down mine eyes, because they keep not thy law.
Ps 119:136
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I am crucified with Christ.
—Galatians 2:20
The Lord Jesus Christ acted in what He did as a great public representative person, and His dying upon the cross was the virtual dying of all His people. Then all His saints rendered unto justice what was due, and made an expiation to divine vengeance for all their sins. The apostle of the Gentiles delighted to think that as one of Christ’s chosen people, he died upon the cross in Christ. He did more than believe this doctrinally, he accepted it confidently, resting his hope upon it. He believed that by virtue of Christ’s death, he had satisfied divine justice, and found reconciliation with God. Beloved, what a blessed thing it is when the soul can, as it were, stretch itself upon the cross of Christ, and feel, “I am dead; the law has slain me, and I am therefore free from its power, because in my Surety I have borne the curse, and in the person of my Substitute the whole that the law could do, by way of condemnation, has been executed upon me, for I am crucified with Christ.”
But Paul meant even more than this. He not only believed in Christ’s death, and trusted in it, but he actually felt its power in himself in causing the crucifixion of his old corrupt nature. When he saw the pleasures of sin, he said, “I cannot enjoy these: I am dead to them.” Such is the experience of every true Christian. Having received Christ, he is to this world as one who is utterly dead. Yet, while conscious of death to the world, he can, at the same time, exclaim with the apostle, “Nevertheless I live.” He is fully alive unto God. The Christian’s life is a matchless riddle. No worldling can comprehend it; even the believer himself cannot understand it. Dead, yet alive! crucified with Christ, and yet at the same time risen with Christ in newness of life! Union with the suffering, bleeding Saviour, and death to the world and sin, are soul‐cheering things. O for more enjoyment of them!
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paulwhut wrote:... You sundaykeepers have a lot of explaining to do....when you stand up in front of the Judge of all of the earth, and he asks you a simple question......"why did you not obey me?........."You knew about the sabbath, you knew how I felt about my creation, you know I am a jealous God yet you persisted in error".........
Incidentally, this conversation will probably take place at the end of the 1000 years, as you will have been in the second resurrection......the resurrection of the damned. You will not take sundaykeeping into the new earth.
again.......one more time with feelin'......"you will not take sundaykeepinng into the new earth".....! .... Hmm...
Several things don't add up here.
1. You agree that salvation is through faith Jesus Christ alone.
So, why would you place the redeemed in "the resurrection of the damned"?
As if one can be saved by keeping the sabbath given to Israel by God through Moses.
If that's true there will be many confused, yet delighted, Jews who have kept
the sabbath but rejected Jesus Christ.
I guess you will have to explain that one to us.
2. The sabbath is a sign between Israel and God.
When did this change? Was the scripture below ever revoked?
Or is it still in force?
Exodus 31:13
“Say to the Israelites, ‘You must observe my Sabbaths.
This will be a sign between me and you for the generations to come,
so you may know that I am the LORD, who makes you holy.
Ezekiel 20:12
Also I gave them my Sabbaths as a sign between us,
so they would know that I the LORD made them holy.
Ezekiel 20:20
Keep my Sabbaths holy, that they may be a sign between us.
Then you will know that I am the LORD your God.”
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? - Galatians 4:16
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paulwhut wrote:No excuses will be given, as none are acceptable. The Gospel is clear and simple......Our God came and died for us, that we may have eternal life, and in return we are to worship and obey Him. Not on our terms, but on His terms.........period...
The Seal of God and
the Mark of Apostasy .... Hmm...
Conditional grace? Is that what you are teaching?
You are saved by grace, BUT... unfortunately still under law.
Where is this "clear Gospel" of conditional grace stated?
What scriptures tie together the redemptive work of Christ on the cross
and the "conditional grace" clause fine print?
The Bible is quite clear on two things that you do not understand.
They are even located together for your convenience.
- The remnant is chosen by grace, not by your denomination.
- Grace is not by works. Or it wouldn't be grace.
Romans 11:5-7
So too, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace.
And if by grace, then it is no longer by works; if it were,
grace would no longer be grace.
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? - Galatians 4:16
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CHARLES SPURGEON -- Jesus did not come to change the law, but he came to explain it. (see Mat 5:17-20) and that very fact shows that it remains, for there is no need to explain that which is abrogated.
Assuredly this was no abrogation of law, It was a wonderful exhibition of its’ far reaching sovereignty and of its searching character. Once more, that the Master did not come to alter the law is clear, because after having embodied it in his life, he willingly gave himself up to bear the penalty, though he had never broken it, bearing the penalty for us, even as it is written, “Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us.” “All we like sheep have gone astray, we have turned every one to his own way, and the Lord hath layed on him the iniquity of us all.”
If the law had demanded more of us than it ought to have done, its too severe demands? I am sure he would not. But because the law asked only what it ought to ask....namely perfect obedience and exacted of the transgressor only what it ought to exact, namely, death, as the penalty for sin. Death under Divine wrath, therefore the Saviour went to the tree, and there bore our sins, and purged them once for all. (Charles Spurgeon, perpetuity of the law of God. Pp 4-7 Rivers of waters run down mine eyes, because they keep not thy law.
Ps 119:136
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paulwhut?
your Still Walking Backwards
Lead me, O Lord, in thy righteousness because of mine enemies.
—Psalms 5:8
Very bitter is the enmity of the world against the people of Christ. Men will forgive a thousand faults in others, but they will magnify the most trivial offence in the followers of Jesus. Instead of vainly regretting this, let us turn it to account, and since so many are watching for our halting, let this be a special motive for walking very carefully before God. If we live carelessly, the lynx‐eyed world will soon see it, and with its hundred tongues, it will spread the story, exaggerated and anemblazoned by the zeal of slander. They will shout triumphantly. “Aha! So would we have it! See how these Christians act! They are hypocrites to a man.” Thus will much damage be done to the cause of Christ, and much insult offered to His name. The cross of Christ is in itself an offence to the world; let us take heed that we add no offence of our own. It is “to the Jews a stumblingblock”: let us mind that we put no stumblingblocks where there are enough already. “To the Greeks it is foolishness”: let us not add our folly to give point to the scorn with which the worldly‐wise deride the gospel. How jealous should we be of ourselves! How rigid with our consciences! In the presence of adversaries who will misrepresent our best deeds, and impugn our motives where they cannot censure our actions, how circumspect should we be! Pilgrims travel as suspected persons through Vanity Fair. Not only are we under surveillance, but there are more spies than we know of. The espionage is everywhere, at home and abroad. If we fall into the enemies’ hands we may sooner expect generosity from a wolf, or mercy from a fiend, than anything like patience with our infirmities from men who spice their infidelity towards God with scandals against His people. O Lord, lead us ever, lest our enemies trip us up!
Charles H. Spurgeon
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