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Examining Islam's Expansionist History Continued
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Islam in Modern History
Nine hundred years after the first wave of Islamization, a second powerful wave took place, in the seventeenth Century. The Ottoman Empire's Muslim Turks tried to expand their rule into Europe. They captured Greece, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria, and parts of Romania and Hungary. By 1683, they had reached the gates of Vienna. However, once again, and against all odds, the Western forces were able, miraculously, to repel them.
Following this second failed attempt to conquer Europe, Islam fell into a state of depression. In the mid-nineteenth century the Western countries pressured the Ottoman Empire to stop collecting the Jizya tax from Christians and Jews living in the Islamic world. The dhimmitude status was officially abolished; however, many of its provisions against Christians and Jews lingered on in the Islamic world. To this day, discrimination, and, at times, flagrant State-sanctioned persecutions against Christians and Jews run rampant in most Islamic countries.
A new Islamic awakening began taking place in the 20th Century. It was not spawned by military might or the forced occupation of lands. Undoubtedly, in modern history, the driving factor behind the new revival and acceptance of Islam was the discovery of vast reserves of oil in the Arab and Islamic countries. Oil has become a strong weapon to advance the global influence of the Islamic oil-producing nations. With it, they can make stronger nations, that depend of them for oil, tremble in fear. Suddenly it became politically incorrect to criticize Islam or Muslims. Most importantly, with this new sword in hand, Muslims now have the means to finance their call to convert the world to Islam.
Now in the 21rst Century Muslim advocates sense that they have the upper hand and therefore are becoming increasingly more aggressive in the West. They boast about being able to convert some 6- 8 million in the United States alone. Muslims challenge the historical fact that Islam has been spread by the sword. When speaking about their new converts they say, "Where is the sword? Nobody is using a sword against these people. They are coming into Islam on their own accord!"
In reality, the number of Muslims in the USA and the growth rate of Islam in America have been extremely exaggerated. Islamic activists inflate the figures by including Christians of Middle Eastern origin in the numbers cited as the USA Muslim population. The truth is 80% of the Arabic speaking people in America are actually affiliated with Christian denominations. The motive behind the exaggerations is to gain more political clout. One scientific study put the number of Middle Eastern Muslims in the U.S. between 1.4 and 2.8 million. The majority of these did not come through conversion but through immigration and procreation.
In 1990, the National Survey of Religious Identification conducted a study. It was followed-up in 2001 by a study of the American Survey of Religious Identification. These studies demonstrated that Islam is by no means the fastest growing religion in America. Whether it is, by conversion, immigration, or procreation, it is being surpassed by a number of other religious groups.
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It is undeniable; however, that Islam is seriously advancing in the West. This is mainly attributed to Islam's capacity to wield influence through its new sword of oil. The newly acquired wealth is currently being used in Western democracies in a manner that gives Islam a distinct economic advantage over Christianity. Christians must depend on the sacrificial donations of their members to build and maintain churches, pay salaries and finance evangelism and benevolent outreaches. As a result many Christian churches and organization have to shut down and sell their buildings.
Muslims that are using Petro-Dollars from the oil rich Gulf and Saudi governments often purchase these defunct Christian properties. Muslim clerics, on the other hand, don't need to depend on donations to build mosques, pay their salaries, and purchase airtime in the various broadcast Media. The financial aid that they get from Islamic states enables them also to give generous assistance to needy people that are potential converts to Islam. More seriously, large sums of oil monies are covertly slipped into the hands of Muslim extremists' organizations. Without any qualms of conscience they finance terrorist attacks, against non-Muslims and against moderate Muslims alike, around the globe. With these factors in mind, it should be no surprise that Islam is growing in the West. In addition, unquestionably the Muslim activists of modern times are smarter and are using more sophisticated tactics than those of ancient times.
The days of the primitive methods that were used to conquer the known world, between the 7th - 17th centuries, are over. Islam now applies carefully studied and sophisticatedly executed methods. They define their targets, and decide on the best strategies to reach them. Young women are reached through love and marriage. With our African-American citizens the race card is used. They are deceived into believing that Mohammed was black and that Islam was birthed on the African continent. To the needy, they use money. For most people, they polish Islam and present it in an attractively revised westernized form.
The violent Quranic verses that were revealed in Medina are carefully excluded. The peaceful verses of the Mecca era are emphasized. The fact is, according to Islamic theology, the early peaceful verses that were written in Mecca are nullified (abrogated), and replaced by the later verses that were written in Medina. To the religious establishment they claim compatibility with the Judeo-Christian faith. They cite belief in Moses, Jesus, and the Virgin Mary. They concur with us on the existence of Heaven and Hell. Regardless of their boast that they have a lot in common with us, the fine print in Islamic teaching tells a different story.
Legally and politically they have the means to buy political influence and to retain high-powered teams of skilled lawyers. These experts find loopholes in our laws that enable Muslims to manipulate the system. They frighten their opponents with the prospect of dragging them into long-term court battles in order to sue for large sums of money.
The Archbishop of Izmir, His Exc. Giuseppe Germano Bernandini, summed up the political dilemma of the West in relation to Islam by quoting an authoritative Muslim spokesperson that he had encountered during an Islamic-Christian dialogue meeting. The man calmly stated with assurance, "Thanks to your democratic laws we will invade you; thanks to our religious laws we will dominate you."
In Conclusion
Make no mistake about it; Islam is well on the road to becoming a major spiritual/political influence in the New World. It is imperative that we don't lose sight of the fact that their ultimate goal is to rule the world. It is patient enough, and sufficiently financed, to accomplish its goal, one country at a time. Muslim advocates are working fervently to convert America to Islam. Their dream may not be practical, but they are gaining ground every day. There is a thought that often wakes me at night: The Muslims were able to conquer most of the known world in the 7th century with their limited and primitive means. What will happen to the world, if America becomes a Muslim country, and its might, wealth, technology, and resources fall into the hands of the Muslims? If this occurs, the New World will look like the old world. Time will lapse, and revert back to the 7th century, and the New World's civilization will be reduced to a big, barren Sahara desert.
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Quote:The threat of Islam is real. More so than communism ever was, because with Islam, Muslim activists are willing to kill and to die for the cause of spreading their religion. This is called ""Jihad", a sacred duty for all Muslims to perform.
Get this message around. Stop the spread of Islam before it is too late.
There's that paranoia again.It seems to pop up pretty often since the movie Zeitgeist told everyone we need to do something. It's already too late to stop the idea of stop them before it's too late. The Christians are doing it, the Muslims are doing it, the Neo Nazis are doing it, the conspiracy theorists are doing it. The birds and bees are doing it. I keep telling you it's the McCarthy era all over again. I think the solution is to change the constitution to read freedom of religious practice for Christians only.That would make the USA a religious state,like the Muslim countries. We could do away with the laws that forbid religious persecution,but that would allow the Muslim to persecute the Christians. The only answer seem to be send them back to Africa,no that's someone else. Send them back to over yonder. That would make us a religious state like the Muslim countries. Trying to wipe each other off the face of the earth has already been tried. It didn't work. God just kept allowing more Christians,Jews and Muslims to be born. We probably need to tell God to stop making them darned Muslims. My solution is for anyone who don't like the way Muslims think, don't think like a Muslim. Those who write about Islam having violent beginnings leave out the part that they used violence against the Christians that were violently killing them.The Bible of course condemn an eye for an eye. OOPS. I guess that means we can't do as they do. Dang!
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August 7, 2009
Nigerian Taliban Beheaded Three Christian Pastors After They Refused to Convert to Islam
One of the victims of last week's attack by the Yusufiya sect in Borno State has given a shocking account of how the Islamic extremists killed three pastors who were captured along with other victims on the second day of the insurgence.
The victim was among those held hostage in Yusuf's enclave.
Speaking exclusively to Daily Sun in Maiduguri, the eye witness who preferred anonymity disclosed that the three pastors were beheaded on the instruction of the sect leader, Mohammed Yusuf shortly after bringing them out of his inner chamber.
The pastors alongside one Ibo man were asked to change their faith to Islam like they did to other people taken as hostages. I think there was an argument by one of the pastors which gave the others some level of confidence to also resist accepting Islam.
The Yusufiya men who were armed on that Tuesday afternoon were not comfortable with the pastors and they took one of them to the sect leader in his inner chamber. They came out later to the courtyard within the compound and cut their heads one after the other and thereafter, shouted allah akbar in wild celebration accompanied with several gun shots, the eye witness disclosed.
He said the hostages numbering about 50 within the area of the execution of the pastors and another fair complexioned man which he could not identify, were gripped with fear as non could foretell the outcome of their stay at the enclave of the fundamentalists. He was however lucky to escape as he was freed in the night with others with a warning not to mix with kafrici (infidels).
Corroborating the account of the killing, a Senior pastor with Good News Church, Wulari Maiduguri Rev. Baba Gata Ibrahim told Daily Sun in an interview that a pastor in his church, Pastor George Orjih was beheaded on the instruction of the Boko Haram leader because the clergy man refused to accept Islam.
An eye witness who was also captured by the Islamic militants gave us details of how the pastor was killed. He told us they were persuading him to accept Islam and he said over his dead body. He was even said to have preached Christ to Mohammed Yusuf and that reportedly angered the sect leader who then as he ordered that the pastor and others be killed immediately, he disclosed.
The late Pastor George Orjih was said to have arrived Maiduguri last week from Jos where he was doing his Masters programme in Theology. Described as a fearless, hardworking, and intellectually sound, his care for the welfare and well being of his family allegedly contributed to his capture and eventual death.
He was mindful of his family and their welfare. He was really out of the house but thought to go back again. That was how he was captured by the Boko Haram before he was killed. It was the very week, in fact the following day he returned from school where he was doing his Masters in Theology that he was arrested, the senior pastor added.
He urged the government to provide adequate security for Christian in the state.
Also delivering a sermon during the funeral rites for late Rev. Sabo Yakubu, slain COCIN Church pastor, the speaker, Rev Bulus Azi urged Christians to emulate the pastors who were killed because of their refusal to betray their faith. Quoting from the bible in Revelation 7:9-15, the regional chairman of the church told Christians to prepare to die anytime as their calling demand.
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July 16, 2010
Pastor killed by gunman
A dynamic Christian pastor has died after being shot in the head as he was leaving church, in what is being seen as a bid to intimidate converts from Islam in the strongly Islamic republic of Dagestan.
Artur Suleimanov (49), himself a convert from Islam, was murdered by a gunman who approached and opened fire as the pastor got into a car outside Hosanna House of Prayer in the capital, Makhachkala, on Thursday July 15. He died from his wounds in hospital around an hour later. Nobody else was injured in the attack. Pastor Suleimanov leaves behind a wife, Zina, and five children, the youngest of whom is twelve years old.
Mr Suleimanov’s church is one of the largest Protestant churches in Dagestan. In a context where Christians face regular harassment and intimidation, his life had been threatened on several previous occasions.
Barnabas Aid has supported Christians in Dagestan, and our co-ordinator for the Former Soviet Union met Pastor Suleimanov a number of times. He said, “Pastor Suleimanov was a wonderful Christian brother and his shocking death is a devastating loss for the Dagestan church. He and the Hosanna House of Prayer church were very active in ministry and outreach in particular. We see his murder as an attempt to put further pressure on Christian converts in Dagestan.”
Please pray
• That God will comfort and uphold Pastor Suleimanov’s family, and their large church family, in their distress and grief.
• That the murderer and all those behind this horrendous incident will be brought to justice, and that they will come to faith in the Lord Jesus.
• For protection over those attending Pastor Suleimanov’s funeral as well as the wider Church in Dagestan.
• That Christians will not be intimidated by this act of violence.
The Russian Republic of Dagestan borders Chechnya in the turbulent North Caucasus. The population is 98 per cent Muslim, and the Church faces harassment and intimidation from various groups.
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Which one of those were in the USA?
How many were American Muslims?
I thought that was the topic.
You probably missed the one about the Indonesian Christians killing Muslims,
but then it has nothing to do with America either.
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Three Christian pastors were beheaded in Nigeria by Muslims and one Christian pastor was murdered outside his church in the Russian Republic of Dagestan and this is your reaction?
And then you say you believe the reports of Indonesian Christians killing Muslims?
Wow.
At least the girls will be happy that you disagreed with me. Good work.
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Fort Hood gunman awake and talking as its revealed he 'attended same mosque in 2001 as September 11 hijackers'
By Daily Mail Reporter and Liz Hazelton
The military psychiatrist accused of shooting 13 people dead during a rampage at a U.S. army base is awake and talking, hospital staff said today.
Major Nidal Malik Hasan was in a coma after being shot several times by a civilian police officer responding to the attack at Fort Hood in Texas last Thursday.
But officials at the Brooke Army Medical Centre in San Antonio confirmed today that he was conscious.
Maria Gallegos, spokeswoman for the hospital, said: 'He is conversing with the medical staff.'
Rampage: Video footage shows Major Nidal Malik Hasan shopping at a 7-11 store just outside Fort Hood, Texas, seven hours before he shot 13 people dead
Ms Gallegos added that she was not sure if the suspect had spoken to investigators yet.
Hasan awoke as it was revealed that he apparently attended the same Virginia mosque as two September 11 hijackers in 2001, a time when a radical imam preached there.
Whether Hasan associated with the hijackers is something the FBI will probably look into, according to a law enforcement official who spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation is ongoing.
The family of the Army psychiatrist who killed 13 and wounded 29 at the Texas military base, held his mother's funeral at the Dar al Hijrah Islamic Center in Falls Church, Virginia, on May 31, 2001, according to her obituary in the Roanoke Times newspaper.
At the time, Anwar Aulaqi was an imam, or spiritual leader, at the Washington-area mosque. Aulaqi told the FBI in 2001 that, before he moved to Virginia in early 2001, he met with 9/11 hijacker Nawaf al-Hazmi several times in San Diego. Al-Hazmi was at the time living with Khalid al-Mihdhar, another hijacker.
Al-Hazmi and another hijacker, Hani Hanjour, attended the Dar al Hijrah mosque in Virginia in early April 2001. In his FBI interview, Aulaqi denied ever meeting with al-Hazmi and Hanjour while in Virginia. Shaker Elsayed, the current imam at Dar Al Hijrah, declined to comment.
Taking aim: Kim Munley who shot Major Nidal Malik Hasan at the Fort Hood shooting in Texas takes aim at a rifle range
Heroine: Kim Munley, a civilian police officer, is the woman who brought Hasan down by shooting him four times before he could slaughter more people
The new details emerged as police revealed that the lightly-built police heroine who is credited with halting the Fort Hood massacre almost died at the scene after losing half the blood in her body.
Mother of one Sergeant Kimberley Munley confronted gunman Nidal Malik Hasan and, despite being wounded in both legs, brought him down with four shots.
One of the shots cut an artery in her leg, leaving blood pumping out but she still managed to keep firing before collapsing.
Medic Francisco Delaserna applied a tourniquet to Sgt Munley as she drifted in and out of consciousness because of blood loss.
'I cut her trousers oopen, tied a tourniquet around her thigh and stopped the bleeding. But she had already lost a lot of blood,' he said.
He then moved on to treat Hasan, the man he had just seen shooting his fellow soldiers.
Army psychiatrist Major Hasan had killed 13 and left 31 injured after he jumped on to a desk screaming 'Allahu Akbar' - God in Great - and fired on defenceless colleagues.
He then moved on to treat Hasan, the man he had just seen shooting his fellow soldiers.
Army psychiatrist Major Hasan had killed 13 and left 31 injured after he jumped on to a desk screaming 'Allahu Akbar' - God in Great - and fired on defenceless colleagues.
But the carnage would have been even greater were it not for the actions of Sergeant Munley who minutes earlier had been directing traffic.
The revelations come as the U.S. Army chief of staff says it's important for the U.S. not to get caught up in speculation about the Muslim faith of the alleged Fort Hood gunman.
Gen. George Casey says he's instructed his commanders to be on the lookout for that reaction to the killings at the Texas post.
He says focusing on the Islamic roots of the suspected shooter, Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, could "heighten the backlash" against all Muslims in the military.
Casey says diversity in the military "gives us strength."
In retrospect, the signs of Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan's growing anger over the U.S. wars in Iraq and Afghanistan seem unmistakable. But even people who worried his increasingly strident views were clouding his ability to serve the U.S. military could not predict the murderous rampage of which he now stands accused.
Crouched behind a wall, armed detectives try to work what is going on during the shooting
Military police take cover during the shooting at the Fort Hood Soldier Readiness Processing Center
In the months leading to Thursday's shooting spree, Hasan raised eyebrows with comments that the war on terror was "a war on Islam" and wrestled with what to tell fellow Muslim solders who had their doubts about fighting in Islamic countries.
"The system is not doing what it's supposed to do," said Dr. Val Finnell, who complained to administrators at a military university about what he considered Hasan's "anti-American" rants. "He at least should have been confronted about these beliefs, told to cease and desist, and to shape up or ship out."
Finnell studied with Hasan from 2007-2008 in the master's program in public health at the military's Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, Maryland, where Hasan persistently complained about perceived anti-Muslim sentiment in the military and injected his politics into courses where they had no place.
Army officer Joseph Foster, who was wounded during the Fort Hood shooting, talks to the media with his wife Mandi and 6-month-old daughter Keilee
Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan who is currently in hospital. The US military has not revealed when they plan to question him
"In retrospect, I'm not surprised he did it," Finnell said of the shootings. "I had real questions about what his priorities were, what his beliefs were."
Hasan, who was shot by civilian police and taken into custody, was in intensive care but breathing on his own late Saturday at an Army hospital in San Antonio. Officials refused to say if he was talking to investigators.
At least 17 victims remained hospitalized with gunshot wounds, and nine were in intensive care late Saturday. On Sunday, numerous church services honoring the victims were planned both on the post and in neighboring Killeen.
Military criminal investigators continue to refer to Hasan as the only suspect in the shootings but won't say when charges would be filed. "We have not established a motive for the shootings at this time," said Army Criminal Investigative Command spokesman Chris Grey.
A government official speaking on condition of anonymity because the person was not authorized to discuss the case said an initial review of Hasan's computer use has found no evidence of links to terror groups, or anyone who might have helped plan or push him toward the shooting attack.
The review of Hasan's computer is continuing and more evidence could emerge, the source said.
Hasan likely would face military justice rather than federal criminal charges if investigators determine the violence was the work of just one person.
Hasan's family described a man incapable of the attack, calling him a devoted doctor and devout Muslim who showed no signs that he might lash out.
"I've known my brother Nidal to be a peaceful, loving and compassionate person who has shown great interest in the medical field and in helping others," said his brother, Eyad Hasan, of Sterling, Virginia, in a statement. "He has never committed an act of violence and was always known to be a good, law-abiding citizen."
Still, in the days since authorities believe Hasan fired more than 100 rounds in a soldier processing center at Fort Hood in the worst mass shooting on a military facility in the U.S., a picture has emerged of a man who was forcefully opposed to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, was trying to elude his pending deployment to Afghanistan and had struggled professionally in his work as an Army psychiatrist.
"I told him, 'There's something wrong with you,"' Osman Danquah, co-founder of the Islamic Community of Greater Killeen, told The Associated Press on Saturday. "I didn't get the feeling he was talking for himself, but something just didn't seem right."
Enlarge One of the 30 wounded is transported away on a table by fellow soldiers
Crouching for cover these soldiers try to understand what is going on during the shooting. The soldier in the centre can be seen talking on his mobile phone
Enlarge Private Marquest Smith, 21, shows how one of the bullets from the shooting became embedded in his boot
Danquah assumed the military's chain of command knew about Hasan's doubts, which had been known for more than a year to classmates at the Maryland graduate military medical program. His fellow students complained to the faculty about Hasan's "anti-American propaganda," but said a fear of appearing discriminatory against a Muslim student kept officers from filing a formal complaint.
Others recalled a pleasant neighbor who forgave a fellow soldier charged with tearing up his "Allah is Love" bumper sticker. A superior officer at Darnall Army Medical Center at Fort Hood, Colorado. Kimberly Kesling, has said Hasan was quiet with a strong work ethic who provided excellent care for his patients.
Twice this summer, Danquah said, Hasan asked him what to tell soldiers who expressed misgivings about fighting fellow Muslims. The retired Army first sergeant and Gulf War veteran said he reminded Hasan that these soldiers had volunteered to fight, and that Muslims were fighting each other in Afghanistan, Pakistan and the Palestinian territories.
"But what if a person gets in and feels that it's just not right?" Danquah recalled Hasan asking him.
"I'd give him my response. It didn't seem settled, you know. It didn't seem to satisfy," he said. "It would be like a person playing the devil's advocate. ... I said, 'Look. I'm not impressed by you."'
Danquah said he was disturbed by Hasan's persistent questioning but never told anyone at the sprawling Army post about the talks, because Hasan never expressed anger toward the Army or indicated any plans for violence.
"If I had an inkling that he had this type of inclination or intentions, definitely I would have brought it to their attention," he said.
Enlarge The victims of the shooting: From top left, Specialist Jason Dean Hunt, 22; Sgt. Amy Krueger, 29; Private Aaron Thomas Nemelka, 19; Michael Grant Cahill, 62; Private Kham Xiong, 23; Staff Sgt. Justin M. DeCrow, 32. From bottom left, Private Michael Pearson, 21; Russell Seager, 51; Francheska Velez, 21; Capt. John Gaffaney, 56; and Major L. Eduardo Caraveo, 52
Enlarge From left, Imam Syed Ahmed Ali, Chaplain Jason Palmer, and Chaplain Ira Houck sit together at the Islamic Community Center in Killeen, Texas. The chaplains paid a visit to the imam to extend an invitation to the memorial service being held on Tuesday, for victims of a mass shooting
Enlarge Dar al-Hijrah mosque in Great Falls, Virginia where Major Nidal Malik Hasan worshipped
Hasan was promoted from captain to major in 2008, the same year he graduated from the master's program. Bernard Rostker, a military personnel expert at the Rand Corp., said a shortage of officers and psychiatrists meant Hasan's advancement was all but certain absent a serious blemish on his record, such as a DUI or a drug charge.
Hasan reportedly jumped up on a desk and shouted "Allahu akbar!" - Arabic for "God is great!" - at the start of Thursday's attack.
"Hopefully, they can put together the pieces and find out what in the world was in his mind and why he went crazy," Danquah said. "Aaaaah, it's sad. Those soldiers could have been my soldiers."
NIDAL MALIK HASAN: ARMY SHRINK WHO TURNED INTO FANATIC
He worked as a psychiatrist in the Army to help stressed-out soldiers deal with the horrors of combat. But Major Nidal Malik Hasan couldn’t cope with his own demons.
The once proud hard-working career soldier became an agitator, irritating colleagues with his opposition to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
And the quietly devout Muslim turned toward fanaticism, blogging his support for suicide bombers on Internet sites and feeling increasingly alienated from colleagues.
A SWAT team enters the main gate soon after the mass shooting
Listening to other soldiers unload their horrific memories of combat may also have taken its toll on his sanity, said his family.
BIGGEST MILITARY BASE IN THE WORLD
Named after a US Civil War general, Fort Hood has a 60-year history of military use and is home to thousands of soldiers.
The vast site in Texas covers an area of more than 200,000 acres (340 square miles) and is the only post in the United States capable of stationing and training two armoured divisions.
Set in rolling, semi-arid terrain, Fort Hood is located near Killeen.
There are 4,929 active duty officers and 45,414 enlisted army members based there.
A further 17,954 family members live on site.
Numerous sections are based at Fort Hood including cavalry divisions, air support operations, engineer brigades, artillery and surveillance.
Fort Hood was named after Confederate General John Bell Hood, who was regarded as an outstanding leader, gaining recognition during the Civil War as the commander of Hood's Texas Brigade.
The original site was selected in 1941, and construction of South Camp Hood began in 1942.
It was designated as Fort Hood, a permanent installation, in 1951.
North Camp Hood, located 17 miles to the north, was established shortly after the first land acquisition and was formerly a US Airforce base.
Both the airfield and the base were run by the air force from 1947 to 1952.
From 1952, the facilities were run by the US Army under the Defence Atomic Support Agency until they became part of Fort Hood in 1969.
They also claimed that he had been subjected to harassment after the 9/11 atrocities.
However, the catalyst for his unravelling appears to be his orders to deploy to Afghanistan later this month for his first tour of duty in the war zone.
‘He never told us,’ said his cousin, Nader Hasan. ‘We’ve known for the last five years that was probably his worst nightmare.’
‘He had people telling him on a daily basis the horrors that they saw over there.’
For six years before reporting for duty at Fort Hood, Texas, in July, the major worked at the Walter Reed Army Medical Centre in Washington, latterly as a fellow in disaster and preventative psychiatry.
While there he prayed at least once a day at a nearby Muslim Community Centre. He also looked for a wife, without success, through a matrimonial programme at the mosque.
Although Hassan incorrectly listed his nationality as Palestinian at the mosque, he was born in Virginia, where he grew up with two brothers in the town of Roanoke.
He studied biochemistry at Virginia Tech University - scene of the 2007 massacre by a student that left 32 dead - and joined the military in 1997 at the age of 27.
It was only more recently that his behaviour began to arouse suspicions.
Six months ago, the FBI made inquiries into his background because of Internet postings apparently in support of suicide bombers.
He also became more and more vocal about his opposition to the war. Retired Colonel Tery Lee, who worked with Hasan, said: ‘He was making outlandish comments condemning our foreign policy and claimed Muslims had the right to rise up and attack Americans.’
A few hours before launching his attack, he was seen on a security video in a shop near the base wearing a white cap and white robe.
His aunt, Noel Hasan, said he had been harassed about being a Muslim and wanted out of the Army.
‘Some people can take it and some people cannot,’ she said.
HE FACES THE DEATH PENALTY
Hasan could face the death penalty after he is tried a military court.
And there will be pressure on the authorities to push for a treason charge against him. Last night, he was under armed guard in hospital. His condition was not thought to be serious.
Thomas Kenniff, a top U.S. defence lawyer and Iraq war veteran, said the military Judge Advocate General’s Office at Fort Hood will almost certainly take charge of the case.
‘This can be, and most certainly will be a death penalty case,’ he said.
‘It’s possible he could also be charged by the FBI with committing an act of terrorism, but my guess is the Army will get the first crack at him,’ he added.
There have been fewer than 40 federal prosecutions for treason in America and even fewer convictions.
In 2006, a grand jury issued the first indictment for treason in the U.S. since 1952, charging Adam Yahiye Gadahn in his absence over videos in which he spoke supporting al Qaeda.
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stevelundgren wrote:Three Christian pastors were beheaded in Nigeria by Muslims and one Christian pastor was murdered outside his church in the Russian Republic of Dagestan and this is your reaction?
And then you say you believe the reports of Indonesian Christians killing Muslims?
Wow.
At least the girls will be happy that you disagreed with me. Good work.
I didn't say I believed or disbelieved any of it. Wow.You still believe in making assumptions. You might want to know that posting about Indonesia has nothing to do with disbelieving what you posted. I posted. I did not comment or state my belief. Since You brought it up, I believe that if Christians treat others like their evil, they should not be expected to be treated any differently. Do unto other and all that.I suppose You want other religions to make you feel like Your not an American.
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candie wrote:... Since You brought it up, I believe that if Christians treat others like
their evil, they should not be expected to be treated any differently.
Do unto other and all that... Hmm...
Is that what you believe? (Not that I'm surprised.)
Matthew 5:43-44 NIV
"You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,
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Hey Sarge.
The last I heard was that he had been in contact with Al Queda.
I think he needs to be tried for treason. I think JAG will give
Him the death sentence.
I don't think any terrorist is any are representative of Islam than
the KKK or the Neo Nazis are of Christianity. I think most of hate the
Muslim thing is taken way out of proportion. I don't agree with violence
whether it comes from a Muslim,Jew or Christian. I'm not going to compare
every Christian to Jim Jones or even Pat Robertson.
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stevelundgren wrote:candie wrote:... Since You brought it up, I believe that if Christians treat others like
their evil, they should not be expected to be treated any differently.
Do unto other and all that... Hmm...
Is that what you believe? (Not that I'm surprised.)
Matthew 5:43-44 NIV
"You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,
Huh? You don't believe Scripture. Not that I'm not surprised. You seem to leave out a lot of things that jesus said like " do unto others as you would have them do unto You", or is that another commandment that Jesus changed His mind about? By the way the Scripture You posted says nothing about hating Your enemies. You seem slightly confused. You act like I shouldn't agree with do unto others and then post a Scripture about loving thou enemies.What the Hey? They do not contradict each other, even if it looks that way to you. Maybe you should give up trying to interpret Scripture
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A DIALOGUE BETWEEN A CHRISTIAN AND A MUSLIM about the Quran
By Ahmed Simon
John – Tell me Ahmad, why did your prophet Muhammud claim that he talked with an angel, and this angel carried the conversation to Allah and vice-versa; unlike our prophets who communicated direct with God?
Ahmad – That is what my Quran says in sura 2.67 (chapter/verse in the Quran).
John – In sura 22.52, Allah says he removed Satan’s verses from the Quran. How sure are you that all Satan’s verses were removed and how did Satan get to the Quran?
Ahmad – I really don’t know, John. That is what is said in sura 22.52 of the Quran.
John – In sura 2.106 & 16.101, it says Allah (Muslim God), cancelled many verses in the Quran and added better verses. What made Allah change his mind, and wasn’t the initial verses of Allah any good? Why did Allah correct his own work?
Ahmad – That is what the Quran says in those suras. I don’t know why it is mentioned.
John – Your prophet Muhammud waged various wars. What did he do with the booty?
Ahmad – He killed the Christians and Jews, in Saudi Arabia, and took their wives and daughters (always the best for himself before passing the rest to his companions). The same applied to their belongings. He also fought wars, with the Arabs and some muslims.
John – In sura 33.37 of the Quran, it says prophet Muhammud married his daughters-in-law while their husbands (his sons) were still with him? Wasn’t all his women enough?
Ahmad – Prophet Muhammud had a great sexual appetite. He had 12 wives, numerous concubines, temporary wives and female slaves. He even married a 9 year old girl, named Aisha when he was 52 (9 years in muslim calender is 8 years in our Gregorian calendar. Present 40 years will be 44 years old in the muslim calendar. Somebody goofed).
John – Why did prophet Muhammud overrule Allah who created 1 woman for 1 man, and allow muslims to have 4 wives at any one time? Can prophet Muhammud overrule Allah?
Ahmad – It sounds ridiculous to me also. But how do you know so much about Islam?
John – From www.islamreview.com and their links. Try it. Doesn’t the Quran say in sura 2.62 & 5.69 that all Jews and Christians will go to Heaven?
Ahmad – I know, but resent that sura and I don’t know why it is stated in the Quran.
John – Why does the Quran also say in sura 19.71 that all muslims will go to Hell?
Ahmad – Though it’s not said, I hope, after spending time, some like me,will be saved.
John – In sura 43.61 it says Jesus the Messiah will come again on Judgement day.
Ahmad – It is, John.
John – In sura 21 Abraham destroyed the idols, then, why keep idols in the Kaba in Mecca. Aren’t muslims facing and praying to these idols in the Kaba (Mecca) today?
Ahmad – I suppose they must be holy idols, John.
John – I cannot understand sura 2.142-144 of the Quran, which basically says the Qibla(direction to face to pray), was changed from Mecca to Jerusalem and back to Mecca again. Isn’t Allah everywhere? Why face one spot on earth to pray to Allah?
Ahmad – I did not know the Qibla was changed and rechanged.I must check this sura.
John – Why did prophet Muhammud’s soul go to Jerusalem to rise to Allah? Isn’t the Kaba the house of Allah? Then, shouldn’t he have risen from the Kaba (Mecca)?
John – The Quran in sura 3.106,107 says Allah recognized white people, as good and black people as bad. Why did Allah judge people based on the colour of their skin?
Ahmad – Prophet Muhammud had very fair skin colour according to Bukhari. I have to check this sura to see why Allah said black was bad.
John – The Arabs invented Slavery, and even prophet Muhammud had hundreds of slaves himself, so did all his companions. Isn’t this slavery in muslim nations continuing today?
Ahmad – Not so rampant today, as before though.
John – Every muslim is required to pray for 365 days a year with no exception, for subuh at 5.23 a.m. syuruk at 6.49 a.m. zuhur at 1.08 p.m. asar at 4.14 p.m. maghrib at 7.16 p.m. and isyak at 8.25 p.m. but Ahmad, with so much of prayer, the muslims still face hell. Prayer in Christianity is not perfomed in a set of obligatory and mechanical rituals as in Islam. In christianity, we pray because we love God and enjoy His presence, and, ultimately, in seeking an even closer presence in Heaven. The pleasures of Heaven in Christianity is life in the presence of God.
Ahmad - (In Silence).
John – In sura 7.157 the Quran says prophet Muhammud was illiterate (cannot read or write and uneducated) and so were all his companions. Most of the suras in chapter 18 refer to them living in caves. Why did Allah pick such man as his messenger.
Ahmad – (In Silence).
John – In sura 4.11 & 2.282 the Quran says a male’s inheritance is double that of a female, (A legal will is not allowed in Islam). It also says one male witness equals to two female witnesses. Why are muslim females only half of a male?
Ahmad – Females are recognized as inferior, because Allah made man superior, period.
John -The Quran says in sura 96.1 & 96.2 that man was created from a blood clot, but 21.3 & 24.45 says from water,19.67 from nothing, 3.59 & 35.11 from clay, 15.26 from mud and 16.4 & 75.37 says from a thickened liquid. Which part of the Quran is wrong.
Ahmad –(In silence.)
John – Why stone a woman to death for adultery, while a man is only whipped?
Ahmad – Because women tempt men and that is why they have to cover, head to toe.
John – In sura 4.34 of the Quran, Allah says a disobedient woman should be beaten and deserted by her husband. Isn’t Islam the only religion to sanction this punishment?
Ahmad – Sura 2.223 says women are basically to serve man and Allah is merciful.
John – In sura 2.219 & 5.90 of the Quran, it says muslims must not consume wine, because it is ‘Satan’s Handiwork’. But in sura 47.15, 55.54-56, 83.22, & 83.25 it says repeatedly all male martyrs will go straight to heaven and awarded “voluptuous fair virgin maidens, rivers of wine, best fruits, milk and honey”.Why you cannot drink wine on earth, but can in heaven? How did ‘Satan’s Handiwork’ get to Heaven? Is this why muslims are committing suicide in the name of Allah, to have virgins, etc in Heaven- Sex Maniacs? Is this the only way muslim males can go direct to Heaven and why not muslim females? In my opinion, these men will be sadly disappointed when Satan welcomes them in Hell, for killing innocent men, women and children, don’t you think?
Ahmad – (In silence).
John – Nothing to say, Ahmad?
John – Allah orders muslims to kill to spread Islam as stated in sura 4.74. Why?
Ahmad - It was done in the formative years of Islam, not so many nowadays.
John – Allah orders muslims to kill anyone who gives up Islam, in sura 4.86? Is this the only way Allah has, to keep muslims within his fold, by getting other muslims to kill?
Ahmad – (In silence).
John – In sura 9.29 & 9.5 Allah calls muslims to kill unbelievers unless they submit.
Ahmad – (In silence).
John – Why all this killing,Ahmad? Why chop off a person’s right hand and left leg for theft? My God is a creator and not a destroyer.
Ahmad – I am also ashamed, but what can I do? Even muslims are killing more muslims. My belief is most muslims don’t think of people, but want more money, power and land.
John – After prophet Muhammud and his companions were poisoned to death, according to Bukhari’s Hadith 3.786 & 4.394, but before all of them died, the Jewish widow who served the poisoned mutton, said to prophet Muhammud, “ I wanted to see if you are a real messenger of Allah. If you were, Allah would have saved you and your companions, if not, good riddance to bad rubbish”. She was then ordered to be beheaded. Also according to this Hadith, prophet Muhammud suffered greatly for his last two and a half years, and he finally died on the lap of his favourate child-wife, Aisha. But what puzzles me most is in sura 4.47 of the Quran, which states, Allah confirms the Jewish Torah (Old testament) and the Christian Injil (new testament), and also in sura 3.84 of the Quran, it calls on the muslims to believe in the Scriptures given to Jesus the Messiah. The original Manuscripts of the Dead Sea Scrolls, dated 650 B.C. to 70 A.D. now publicly displayed in the Jerusalem University Museum, further confirms everything in the Bible. Then why condemn and criticize the Christians and their Bible as wrong?
Ahmad – (In Silence).
John – In sura 16.103 of the Quran, Allah says it is written in clear Arabic, but in sura 3.7 it also says, only Allah can interpret this clear Arabic in the Quran properly. No wonder, each muslim has a different interpretation of the Quran, if asked upon. Do you agree?
Ahmad – The Quran is written in the old Arabic language. And we have ustaz (religious teachers) trained to explain to us the Quran. But I must admit, each ustaz has a different interpretation of the same sura. That is why, if you ask a 100 muslims, you could get a 100 different interpretations. Generally, a muslim will tell you, Islam is wonderful, nice, good, great, superb, and all the positives but no substance, because they don’t know how to interpret. You see John, I have read your Bible, but the Quran has no such sequence, no such chronology or history, no pattern, no geography, no biography, no prophecy, just verses in a jumbled up fashion. A chapter will contain different subjects all jumbled up in a haphazard manner within this chapter. The chapter which comes first, is just because, it is the longest in length, followed by the next longest and so forth, and finally the shortest chapter. One sura might say something reasonable, but another will be the opposite, in complete contradiction. The entire Quran is supposed to be from Allah, but actually it is as though different Allahs (Gods) or authors, wrote the different chapters or even parts of the chapter due to the varying styles, fashions, words used, patterns, and content. For example you mentioned the wife beating sura 4.34, it says just that. It does not say how many beatings, where, when, how, which part of her body, how hard, for what, why etc. I suppose, it is left to her husband’s discretion to just slap his wife or beat her to a pulp. Because the suras are mostly left open-ended like this, it leads to all sorts of diagnosis or interpretations. And no expert can honestly say, whether an action by a muslim is correct or wrong. What the word quran means in Arabic is to read and that is all a muslim has to do, minus the understanding. This is my honest answer. If a muslim hears me say this, it will be his duty to bring it up and a religious authority will put a Fatwa (Islamic Decree) on my life (just like Salman Rushdie who is hiding for 25 years and also thousands have been killed), and believe me, some muslims, fed up of life, will use this ticket (opportunity) to go to heaven, and kill me, and might include my family too.
John – I thank you for your honesty. But I also blame, Human Rights groups, NGOs, Workers’ Unions, etc. whose constitution is grossly violated by the Quran, and yet the muslims use them against non-muslims, when it suits them, but never on the atrocities created by muslim countries on their own muslim citizens and foreigners. These organizations must get their act right and with the help of Governments, have the Quran, re-written, remove all violence, gender bias, etc.which do not comply with the United Nations Human Rights Convention. In the guise of religious freedom, no religion should be allowed to perpetuate inhuman atrocities against humans, period. Only then this world will see peace, happiness and prosperity.
Ahmad – What you are proposing John, is to tear off most of the Quran’s pages.
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Please distribute copies of this factual and undeniable article, I was a former Islamic religious teacher and please believe me, what is said above is true.
Go to Links in this website for further confirmations if need be, and help to make as many people as possible, aware of the need for peaceful solutions to the world’s problems, and if wars are necessary to bring about ultimate peace, then, it should be fought by us for a peaceful world, We owe it to our children, parents, brothers and sisters or the ultimate price will be far worse and unthinkable.
Let us not fool ourselves, the ultimate Goal of Islam is to destroy every non-muslim and create a muslim world, as the evil Quran states in the suras as mentioned above. This is no secret and they pretend to be docile and harmless, and when they are caught, it is we who get shocked.
You and I know their Satanic deceit and aim. Muslims have already started their war by bombing us indiscriminately everywhere, and no place or country is spared. We, non-muslims build and the muslims destroy. We put it up and the muslims bring it down. They are evil parasites. They have already damaged and retarded the world economy and brought misery to so many of us. How sure are you that a muslim you know, is not a terrorist or not aiding another terrorist?
Can we risk more misery and destruction in all our countries (not mentioning the loss of lives)? If Islam is so wonderful, why can’t the muslims go back to their muslim countries and receive the 100% Islamic treatment there, instead of coming to our non-muslim countries and complaining about everything we have and do. Let us share our space and country with our unfortunate non-muslim brothers instead.
So, readers, whichever country you are in, please make as many people aware of the dangers subscribed in the Quran, by printing, fax, forward, hand-deliver, e-mail to all in your address book and to addresses in your magazines, and photocoping as many sheets as possible of this information and distribute to colleagues, friends, relatives, shops, businesses, clubs, government officials, etc. locally, overseas, and in your travels.
Let us together, stop this scourge of cancer from spreading or it will be too late, for the civilized world and future generations to come. Please distribute this information, and keep distributing.
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candie wrote:
Hey Sarge.
The last I heard was that he had been in contact with Al Queda.
I think he needs to be tried for treason. I think JAG will give
Him the death sentence.
I don't think any terrorist is any are representative of Islam than
the KKK or the Neo Nazis are of Christianity. I think most of hate the
Muslim thing is taken way out of proportion. I don't agree with violence
whether it comes from a Muslim,Jew or Christian. I'm not going to compare
every Christian to Jim Jones or even Pat Robertson.
Hi Jay,
I'm not sure what is going on with him now. I know the military deliberately is trying to keep it all off the front page. They have stated they are worried about the backlash this may cause among the ranks especially against the Muslims. We need Muslim interpreters and most are granted dual citizenship out of basic training. The military has finally recognized that the terrorist are aware of this and we are now working to close that loophole towards automatic citizenship, at least thats whats being said, dunno if its true. I don't agree with violence either. Here's part of the problem as I see it; We are NOT the ones that need to exercise more tolerance. I consider Islam and its teachings violent towards anyone not of their religious beliefs. They have clearly stated that it is against their beliefs for any other religion whatsoever in the world to co-exist with them. They are after world domination and don't try to hide that fact. All infidels must be converted or killed. This is their mission and I doubt it will change anytime soon.
I found the last paragraph of Steves post very interesting. I'll post it then I have a comment.
"John – I thank you for your honesty. But I also blame, Human Rights groups, NGOs, Workers’ Unions, etc. whose constitution is grossly violated by the Quran, and yet the Muslims use them against non-Muslims, when it suits them, but never on the atrocities created by Muslim countries on their own Muslim citizens and foreigners. These organizations must get their act right and with the help of Governments, have the Quran, re-written, remove all violence, gender bias, etc.which do not comply with the United Nations Human Rights Convention. In the guise of religious freedom, no religion should be allowed to perpetuate inhuman atrocities against humans, period. Only then this world will see peace, happiness and prosperity."
Here's my thoughts...I agree! If the Muslim community says they are not a violent religion and we are the ones that "just do not understand their religion" then why are they not willing to remove those parts of the Quran that invokes and provokes violence against anyone who is not Muslim or part of Islam? Why is their agenda of world domination still being pursued at record rates if they are really promoting peace? I could go on and on and on.
Have any of you heard of the Islam Narrative? Muslims are actively promoting its violent agenda all over the world and killing innocent people daily yet we are told here in America that we are just being "intolerant" and need to "accept" their religious beliefs without question and exercise tolerance towards a government and religion (one in the same) that has many times announced their mission is to "wipe us off of the map" along with Israel and anyone else who dares question their motives or religious beliefs. Islam is invading other country's with "The Islam Narrative" and its working! What they believe they should be allowed to do in their country they also want the right to exercise here in America. Do we have to accept their traditions here in the U.S. in order not to appear intolerant? How about marrying 6 year old girls, mass Islamic weddings? How about we give them the right here to beat women without question and cut off the hands of offenders that might steal or commit adultery? How about the mans right to have his wives genitalia mutilated? Besides, it is part of their religious beliefs AND defended and supported by their official government representatives. Some may say, well Sarge thats just ridiculous what your saying!...Really? Is it? Are we going to keep ignoring the FACTS so as to appear as being politically correct and tolerant? Millions have sounded the alarm in other countries to us so we don't allow what has happened in the UK for example not to happen here but it appears we are just going to permit our freedoms to be one by one taken away and given to another as not to offend. Common sense has gone out the window because were worried about the rest of the world viewing us as intolerant and insensitive towards other peoples customs and religious beliefs. I think its time we as a people set straight up and take note of what happening around us.
Sarge
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For those not familiar with "The Narrative" I will post a few links...
(CBS) When it comes to terrorism and extremism, intelligence agencies in the U.S. and Europe have been grappling with the bewildering phenomenon: that a surprisingly large number of Islamic radicals are relatively well off and well-educated Westerners.
To look into this, we recently went to Great Britain, where there are more supporters of al Qaeda than anywhere else in the West.
In London we met a British Muslim, Maajid Nawaz, who told us that what is turning so many of his countrymen into radicals is something called the “narrative,” that says the United States is out to destroy Islam.
It’s an ideology Islamic radicals subscribe to.
We asked Nawaz, a former true believer: exactly what is the narrative?
For those who choose to attack Islam as a whole and not temper their attacks to be surgically aimed at the radicals, militants, and terrorists, you undermine this man’s attempts at winning hearts and minds. You give validity to “the Narrative” and give ammunition to the Jihad Movement.
http://www.floppingaces.net/2010/04/25/the-narrative/
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THE JIHADIST NARRATIVE’ claims the U.S. is out to destroy Islam because it hates Muslims”
OK, I’m good with that. Well-to-do British Muslim tells how he became a radical jihadist in the world’s biggest breeding ground for terrorists – London.
A former member of a Muslim terrorist group tells Lesley Stahl the reason for the increase in home-grown jihadists like the U.S. Army major accused of shooting 13 at Ft. Hood is an ideology called “the narrative,” which states America is at war with Islam.
I recommend everyone read and view this link.
http://barenakedislam.wordpress.com/2010/04/27/the-jihadist-narrative-claims-the-u-s-is-out-to-destroy-islam-because-it-hates-muslims/
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K, I am NOT a big CBN follower, however, I do like to read and keep informed with Erick Stakelbecks terrorism reports. I have read through the archives and have found his reports accurate and find many things going on in the world the media just doesn't bother reporting to us. Guess they think they know what we need to be informed about better than we do. Here's a link for those interested...
http://blogs.cbn.com/stakelbeckonterror/archive/2010/02/18/update-five-muslim-soldiers-arrested-at-fort-jackson-in.aspx#29935
Night y'all,
Sarge
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Quote:It’s an ideology Islamic radicals subscribe to.
That was my point.Islamic radicals make up ma small portion of the ten billion Muslims in the world.The majority of Muslims condemn what the radicals are doing. I have the same problem with radicals as everyone else, regardless of what belief they come from. Like I pointed out radical Muslims are no better representatives of Islam than the Noe Nazis are of Christianity. I don't believe that either Christianity or Islam should be condemned for the few that use it to spread hatred. I don't agree with putting all Muslims in a box with terrorism. I don't think it is right to say that Christians terrorize abortion clinics. That is completely misleading.Terrorism is terrorism regardless of what nationality it comes in. Jihad is in the Quran, but most Muslims understand it the way it is written;that it is to be used against the enemies of Islam. That doesn't include percieved enemies. It means actual enemies.
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PUNISHMENT FOR NOT GOING TO JIHAD AND KILLING KUFFAR IS HELL FIRE
Most muslims think that if they pray five times, fast, give zakat and do Haj they will avoid hell. Not so fast. They miss the most important duty and requirement of being a muslim ,that is going to jihad and killing kafirs.
Muslims are ordered to carry out Jihad and kill infidels:
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Fighting jihad (and killing kuffar) for for Allah is ordained for you. It is in your best interest even if you hate it.
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Kill the infidels wherever you find them.
Any muslim who ignores this supreme commandment of Allah to kill will be punishment severely (in grave and in hell fire) .
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You who believe! What is the matter with you, that when you are asked to march forth for jihad for Allah , you cling heavily to the earth?
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If you will not go forth to fight in the cause of ALLAH, HE will punish you with a painful punishment.
ALL MUSLIMS OTHER THAN JIHADIS HAVE TO DO HELL TIME
119.71 (Hilali and Khan) There is not one of you who will not go to hell; this is with your Lord; a Decree which must be accomplished.
ONLY WAY TO AVOID HELL AND GO STRAIGHT TO PARADISE IS TO KILL AND GET KILLED
The only guarantee for avoiding hell and going to paradise instantly anf copulate with virgins is to carryout jihad, kill and get killed.
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Paradise is guaranteed for those who kill and get killed for Allah. It is a binding on Allah.
3.169: Those who are killed in Allah’s way are not dead but they are alive and are enjoying bounties provided by the lord.
PUNISMENTS AND REWARDS IN ISLAM
Infidels will suffer grave torture and will be in hell forever.
Bad/non practising/heretic muslims will suffer grave torture and long hell time. Whether they will be put in paradise eventually , will be decided on judgement day
Muslims who prayed, fasted, gave zakat and did Haj but did not participate in Jihad and killed kuffar will suffer torture in grave and will do some hell time before being sent to paradise. Their hell time will be decided on judgement day
Those muslims who participated in violent Jihad will not suffer any grave torture nor will they do any hell time. They will proceed to paradise after judgement day.
Those muslims who killed and got killed for Allah will avoid grave and helltime altogether. They will instantly go to paradise and start copulating with virgins. They will also be allowed to nominate 70 of their near and dear ones for paradise.
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Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? - Galatians 4:16
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