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The following is adapted from
Dr. Peter Hammond’s book:
Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat:
Islam is not a religion nor is it a cult. It is a complete system. Islam has religious, legal, political, economic and military components. The religious component is a beard for all the other components. Islamization occurs when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their so-called ‘religious rights'.
When politically correct and culturally diverse societies agree to ‘the reasonable’ Muslim demands for their ‘religious rights,’ they also get the other components under the table. Here’s how it works (percentages source CIA: The World Fact Book (2007)).
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As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to anyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped for their colorful uniqueness:
Percentage of Muslims Tables at Source
United States 1.0%
Australia 1.5%
Italy 1.5%
Norway 1.8%
Canada 1.9%
China 2.0%
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At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs:
Denmark 2.0%
United Kingdom 2.7%
Germany 3.7%
Spain 4.0%
Thailand 4.6%
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From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. They will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves — along with threats for failure to comply. (United States).
Switzerland 4.3%
Philippines 5.0%
Sweden 5.0%
The Netherlands 5.5%
Trinida and Tabago 5.8%
France 8.0%
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At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islam is not to convert the world but to establish Sharia law over the entire world. When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions (Paris –car-burnings). Any non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats (Amsterdam - Mohammed cartoons).
Guyana 10.0%
India 13.4%
Israel 16.0%
Kenya 10.0%
Russia 15.0%
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After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning:
Ethiopia 32.8%
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At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and ongoing militia warfare:
Bosnia 40.0%
Chad 50.1%
Lebanon 59.7%
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From 60% you may expect unfettered persecution of non-believers and other religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels:
Albania 70.0%
Malaysia 60.4%
Qatar 77.5%
Sudan 70.0%
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After 80% expect State run ethnic cleansing and genocide:
Bangladesh 83.0%
Egypt 90.0%
Gaza 98.7%
Indonesia 86.1%
Iran 98.0%
Iraq 97.0%
Jordan 92.0%
Morocco 98.7%
Pakistan 97.0%
Syria 90.0%
Tajikistan 90.0%
Turkey 99.8%
United Arab Emirates 96.0%
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100% will usher in the peace of ‘Dar-es-Salaam’ — the Islamic House of Peace — there’s supposed to be peace because everybody is a Muslim:
Yemen 99.9%
Afghanistan 100.0%
Saudi Arabia 100.0%
Somalia 100.0%
Of course, that’s not the case. To satisfy their blood lust, Muslims then start killing each other for a variety of reasons.
"Before I was nine I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; and the tribe against the world and all of us against the infidel." – Leon Uris, ‘The Haj’.
It is good to remember that in many, many countries, such as France, the Muslim populations are centered around ghettos based on their ethnicity. Muslims do not integrate into the community at large. Therefore, they exercise more power than their national average would indicate.
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This should be in Sky is Falling thread.
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What if Chicken Little is right? Then what?
Everyone ignored the boy who cried wolf...
... at their own peril.
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PITTSBURGH
TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Furor over author Ayaan Hirsi Ali's visit stirs debate on religious freedom
By Robin Acton
TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Sunday, April 22, 2007
Say what you want about your religion.
Go ahead, say anything that comes into your mind -- even if you don't agree with your minister, your priest, your rabbi. Even if you think you're right and they've got it all wrong, as long as you're not making a direct threat to someone, you can disagree or turn your back and walk away to another faith or to no faith at all.
Here, in America, it's OK. In a land of more than 3,000 diverse religions, your right to religious liberty is a guaranteed protection under the First Amendment.
"The key in the U.S. from the beginning has been to make sure all religious groups not only understand freedoms, but connect them to their own commitment," said Charles C. Haynes, senior scholar and director of educational programs at the First Amendment Center in Arlington, Va., and Nashville.
A community debate over religious freedom surfaced in Western Pennsylvania last week when Dutch feminist author Ayaan Hirsi Ali, a Somali refugee who has lived under the threat of death for denouncing her Muslim upbringing, made an appearance at the University of Pittsburgh at Johnstown.
Islamic leaders tried to block the lecture, which was sponsored through an endowment from the Frank J. and Sylvia T. Pasquerilla Lecture Series. They argued that Hirsi Ali's attacks against the Muslim faith in her book, "Infidel," and movie, "Submission," are "poisonous and unjustified" and create dissension in their community.
Although university officials listened to Islamic leaders' concerns, the lecture planned last year took place Tuesday evening under tight security, with no incidents.
Imam Fouad ElBayly, president of the Johnstown Islamic Center, was among those who objected to Hirsi Ali's appearance.
"She has been identified as one who has defamed the faith. If you come into the faith, you must abide by the laws, and when you decide to defame it deliberately, the sentence is death," said ElBayly, who came to the U.S. from Egypt in 1976.
Hirsi Ali, an atheist, has been critical of many Muslim beliefs, particularly on subjects of sexual morality, the treatment of women and female genital mutilation. In her essay "The Caged Virgin," she also wrote of punishment, noting that "a Muslim's relationship with God is one of fear."
"Our God demands total submission. He rewards you if you follow His rules meticulously. He punishes you cruelly if you break His rules, both on earth, with illness and natural disasters, and in the hereafter, with hellfire," she wrote.
In some Muslim countries, such as Iran, apostasy -- abandoning one's religious belief -- and blasphemy are considered punishable by death under sharia, a system of laws and customs that treats both public and private life as governable by God's law.
Sharia is based largely on an interpretation of the Quran, the sayings of the Prophet Mohammed, a consensus of Islamic scholars and reasoning, according to the New York-based Council on Foreign Relations. In some countries, sharia has been associated with stoning to death those who are accused of adultery, flogging for drinking wine and amputation of a hand for theft.
One of the most noted cases of apostasy in recent years involved author Salman Rushdie, whose novel "The Satanic Verses" offered an unflattering portrayal of the Muslim Prophet Mohammed. The book prompted Iran's Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini to issue a fatwa -- a religious decree -- in 1989 calling for Rushdie's assassination.
Although ElBayly believes a death sentence is warranted for Hirsi Ali, he stressed that America is not the jurisdiction where such a crime should be punished. Instead, Hirsi Ali should be judged in a Muslim country after being given a trial, he added...
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I don't read the Tribune Review.
Richard Mellon Scaife
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Richard Mellon Scaife (born July 3, 1932) is an American newspaper publisher.
Scaife owns and publishes the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review. With $1.2 billion, Scaife, a principal heir to the Mellon banking, oil, and aluminum fortune, is No. 283 on the 2005 Forbes 400.
Scaife is particularly well known for his financial support of conservative and right-wing public policy organizations over the past two decades. He has provided support for conservative and libertarian causes in the U.S., mostly through the private, nonprofit foundations he controls: the Sarah Scaife Foundation, Carthage Foundation, and Allegheny Foundation, and until 2001, the Scaife Family Foundation, now controlled by his daughter Jennie and son David.[1][2] Scaife also helped fund the Arkansas Project, which ultimately led to the impeachment proceedings of President Bill Clinton.
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Hmm...
So do question any specifics in the Robin Acton article?
Do you question whether there is a death threat on the life of Hirsi Ali?
Was Pittsburgh Imam Fouad ElBayly misquoted when he said about her:
"She has been identified as one who has defamed the faith. If you come into the faith, you must abide by the laws, and when you decide to defame it deliberately, the sentence is death," ????
Or was Imam ElBayly misrepresented when he said that he believes a death sentence is warranted for Hirsi Ali, stressing that America is not the jurisdiction where such a crime should be punished. Instead, Hirsi Ali should be judged in a Muslim country after being given a trial? ????
Do you believe the United States should deport criminals of Islamic law to stand trial in a Muslim country?
What do you suppose would happen to Hirsi Ali if she was deported to stand trial?
Since you believe that Islam is a peaceful religion, perhaps you also believe she is really in no real danger?
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Wow. You sure can assume and distort.
All religions are basically peaceful at the source. It's only when extremists
take it and assume and distort that there are problems.
I haven't looked into what you posted nor had a chance to read it thoroughly
so I'm not in a position to comment on it one way or the other.
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What is assumed and distorted?
The Pittsburgh Tribune-Review is a reputable source, as far as I know.
You dismiss them out of hand based on the fact that they have a conservative view.
Is that what you call extremism, a conservative view?
You claim that all religions are basically peaceful at the source. The problem is with extremists.
By that logic you are declaring Pittsburgh Imam Fouad ElBayly to be an extremist.
Since he isn't peaceful, that must be the problem, right?
If that isn't the case, please explain.
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I'm busy. Find someone else to play with.
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mistero wrote:Wow. You sure can assume and distort.
All religions are basically peaceful at the source. It's only when extremists
take it and assume and distort that there are problems.
I haven't looked into what you posted nor had a chance to read it thoroughly
so I'm not in a position to comment on it one way or the other. In addition, you are calling me an extremist.
That is certainly not the case.
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Ayaan Hirsi Ali defends the imam who says she must be killed
From John Gibson’s radio show yesterday. Thanks to reader Emma for sending it along. Gibby wants to know what she thinks of Imam Fouad ElBayly telling an interviewer that she deserves to die for defaming Islam. Exactly right, retorts AHA; that’s what the Koran says. The man’s just following his religion. The takeaway: “This imam has been strikingly honest.”
(Audio segment at source.)
As of this writing, ElBayly is scheduled to visit the University of Pittsburgh to talk faith with the student body. Weasel Zippers is trying to change that. Meanwhile, Reuters reports multicultural tensions have miraculously eased since Hirsi Ali’s departure from the Netherlands according to several Dutch Muslim women interviewed. You mean it was all her fault, including the murder of Theo Van Gogh? Yeah, sort of:
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Hirsi Ali caused uproar by calling Islam “backward,” and by branding the prophet Mohammad a pedophile and a tyrant. However, it was the film “Submission” she wrote for Dutch television which most provoked…
“If she wanted to campaign against violence against women then she shouldn’t have written the Koran text on the body, because that was offensive to many of the religious women she claimed she was trying to help,” said Altintas.
“Her methods were such that rather than attracting Muslim women she pushed them away… She polarized things,” said 19-year-old student Suzan Yucel from Eindhoven.
The film’s director Theo van Gogh was gunned down on an Amsterdam street in 2004 by a Dutch-Moroccan, who stabbed a note to his body addressed to Hirsi Ali warning she would be next.
The Dutch watched in disbelief as their country, once prized as a liberal, multicultural model, slid into a mood of mutual hostility and tit-for-tat attacks on mosques and churches.
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Never mind the gunman — if only she hadn’t made the film…
Speaking of multicultural tensions, here’s the latest in the battle of assimilation. It’s good news, but, er, isn’t the point of the headscarf to suppress feminine physical appeal and show modesty before god and man? In that case, how exactly do you incorporate it into fashion?
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The takeaway: “This imam has been strikingly honest.” Yep! Don't tell anyone our religion is violent or we'll kill you! Sounds about right.
The Supreme Court really needs to address those portions of the Koran that directs violence towards people who disagree with Islamic religions. Also, anyone who states their negative opinions of Islam or the Muslim faith or those who decide to leave the faith and make it clear that here in America religious beliefs cannot be used as a defense or an excuse for murder.
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Someone said earlier that all religions are peaceful at the core, it's the extremists that make it violent.
You can't look at Islam that way. It is violent at the core.
Violence will be required of the faithful muslim.
This story is a great example.
Even here Ayaan Hirsi Ali couldn't speak at a college without heavy security for protection.
Imagine how that situation might have been if Islamic law ran parallel to ours?
Would Ayaan Hirsi Ali then not be protected under our constitution?
We would be forced to hand her over to them to stand trial and face their judgement?
The Koran already says she is dead. No one leaves Islam to live in peace.
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stevelundgren wrote:Someone said earlier that all religions are peaceful at the core, it's the extremists that make it violent.
You can't look at Islam that way. It is violent at the core.
Violence will be required of the faithful muslim.
This story is a great example.
Even here Ayaan Hirsi Ali couldn't speak at a college without heavy security for protection.
Imagine how that situation might have been if Islamic law ran parallel to ours?
Would Ayaan Hirsi Ali then not be protected under our constitution?
We would be forced to hand her over to them to stand trial and face their judgement?
The Koran already says she is dead. No one leaves Islam to live in peace.
Good post Steve. What I can't understand is why others won't accept these facts. The Koran to this day promotes violence towards anyone who disagrees with them and stands against their beliefs. They use fear tactics to control the masses and still promote their agenda. Those who deny the facts and state this is not the case and that most Muslims are peaceful are not considering all the facts. I believe the Holy Bible from cover to cover. The Old testament all the way through to Revelations. Are we to believe that "most Muslims" deny the writings contained in the Koran that reference violence and promote its use? I don't think so.
The FACT is I could post a new story (new news) everyday and fill the calendar with stories of violence by Islam against people who dare stand against their ideology. To say it is a rare occasion only conducted by a few is incorrect, plain and simple. Christians are being murdered overseas everyday with many crimes including many more than just one person here or there, whole communities being slaughtered at the hands of Muslims. They want to dominate the world and have a plan to do so. As a matter of fact the Koran instructs the faithful to do so or pay a penalty. The mainstream media does not report the vast majority of murders and lives ruined as the direct result of the Korans instruction. And yes, much of the violence is right here in the U.S. but we look the other way all in the name of "tolerance".
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