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stevelundgren
#41 Posted : Tuesday, May 13, 2008 11:21:37 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by paulwhut on 13 May 2008

think a minute steve...You will not find one (1) text in the scripture that tells us that the sabbath has been changed to the 1st day of the week. Look at the context of the 8 different places in the NT that mentions the 1st day, and it is only to tell when the event was occurring.
Okay, I did a search on "first day". This is what I found. (I did not include all eight)





9 When Jesus rose early on the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene,... Mark 16:9



Jesus was resurrected on the first day of the week.





1 Early on the first day of the week, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene went to the tomb and saw that the stone had been removed from the entrance. 2 So she came running to Simon Peter and the other disciple, the one Jesus loved, and said, "They have taken the Lord out of the tomb, and we don’t know where they have put him!" John 20:1-2



Resurrection was discovered on the first day of the week.





19 On the evening of that first day of the week, when the disciples were together, with the doors locked for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood among them and said, "Peace be with you!" 20 After he said this, he showed them his hands and side. The disciples were overjoyed when they saw the Lord. John 20:19-20



Jesus appeared to the disciples on the first day of the week.





26 A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, "Peace be with you!" 27 Then he said to Thomas, "Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe." John 20:26-27



Jesus appeared to the disciples (and Thomas) on the first day of the week. (one week later)





7 On the first day of the week we came together to break bread. Paul spoke to the people and, because he intended to leave the next day, kept on talking until midnight. Acts 20:7



The Apostle Paul met with the people on the first day of the week.





1 Now about the collection for God’s people: Do what I told the Galatian churches to do. 2 On the first day of every week, each one of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with his income, saving it up, so that when I come no collections will have to be made. 1 Corinthians 16:1-2



The Apostle Paul taught the people to set aside their offerings on the first day of the week.



stevelundgren
#42 Posted : Tuesday, May 13, 2008 11:23:09 PM
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Paul,



I did a search on "seventh day". This is what I found.





A Sabbath-Rest for the People of God



1 Therefore, since the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us be careful that none of you be found to have fallen short of it. 2 For we also have had the gospel preached to us, just as they did; but the message they heard was of no value to them, because those who heard did not combine it with faith. 3 Now we who have believed enter that rest, just as God has said,

   "So I declared on oath in my anger,

   ’They shall never enter my rest.’ " And yet his work has been finished since the creation of the world. 4 For somewhere he has spoken about the seventh day in these words: "And on the seventh day God rested from all his work." 5 And again in the passage above he says, "They shall never enter my rest."

6 It still remains that some will enter that rest, and those who formerly had the gospel preached to them did not go in, because of their disobedience. 7 Therefore God again set a certain day, calling it Today, when a long time later he spoke through David, as was said before:

   "Today, if you hear his voice,

      do not harden your hearts." 8 For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day. 9 There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; 10 for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from his own work, just as God did from his. 11 Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will fall by following their example of disobedience.



12 For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. 13 Nothing in all creation is hidden from God’s sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account.





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I did a search in the New Testament on all seven days of the week. This is what I found.



Nothing happened on the second day of the week.



Nothing happened on the third day of the week.



Nothing happened on the fourth day of the week.



Nothing happened on the fifth day of the week.



Nothing happened on the six day of the week.



Nothing happened on the seventh day of the week.



Everything happened on the first day of the week.





stevelundgren
#43 Posted : Tuesday, May 13, 2008 11:41:05 PM
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Paul,



Here are the scriptures that I am now presenting to you for the third time about this subject.





"And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.

Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink,

or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.

These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ."

Colossians 2:15-17





"One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike.

Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind.

He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord.

He who eats meat, eats to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains, does so to the Lord and

gives thanks to God.

For none of us lives to himself alone and none of us dies to himself alone."

Romans 14:5-7





"But now that you know God— or rather are known by God— how is it that you are turning back to those weak and

miserable principles? Do you wish to be enslaved by them all over again? You are observing special days and

months and seasons and years! I fear for you, that somehow I have wasted my efforts on you."

Galatians 4:9-11



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I accept your conviction to observe the seventh day. I expect you to accept my conviction to observe any day I choose. Fair enough?



paulwhut
#44 Posted : Wednesday, May 14, 2008 5:55:09 AM
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Of course, however you are mixing together the ceremonial observances with the regular weekly sabbath.



Ceremonial sabbaths came once a year or on special occasions.



The weekly sabbath is from the Decalogue spoken by God and written with His own finger.



Two different subjects altogether.



You and I are free to accept whatever we wish. We are free moral agents capable of making up our own minds.



The Holy Ghost is pleading with our hearts to follow His leading.



Do you really think that the Holy Ghost is leading you to follow a pagan practice?.....Have you really studied where sun worwhip originated? and how it was incorportated into the christian walk?



no
Many wonder today why the Republican party does nothing to defeat the treasonous
schemes of the Democrats. It is because the pope’s Jesuits have thoroughly
infiltrated the Republican party as well as the Democratic party. Many wonder why
the news media lie so much to support and protect the Democrats. It is because the
pope’s Jesuits have thoroughly infiltrated the news media. The news media and
schools and colleges, with their lies and propaganda, have so conditioned the
people of the country that they are unable to recognize what has been done to them.
Victory for the Jesuits seems very near. The Jesuits are like a cancer that has
pervaded nearly every fiber of the society of the United States. We are being
defeated by the enemy within.

For many years the Jesuits have prevented the United States from developing
additional sources of energy within its own territory. Exploiting the vast oilfields on
the Alaskan north slope, that probably contain more oil than the entire middle east,
is forbidden. New nuclear power plants, the safest source of electric energy ever
discovered, are not permitted. There is no end to the lies people have been made to
believe about Nuclear energy. The environment is used as the club to subdue the
people of the country into going along with this idiocy. Modern technology is able to
develop these sources of power without any damage to the environment. France
gets 80% of its power from nuclear power plants without any problems. Needless to
say, without sufficient energy, the United States will not be able to defend itself. All
the papacy has to do is cut off the oil supply from the middle east.

The United States is now starting to feel the pinch of the energy shortage the Jesuits
have created. People have experienced blackouts over large areas as power is shut
off to stay within the limits of generating capacity. Today, instead of constructing
additional nuclear power plants, some of these plants are being dismantled! Will the
people of the United States be able to wake up in time to prevent the coming
national tragedy?

Not only in the United States is this treachery being perpetrated by the papacy, but
they are secretly at work all over the world to subvert all the nations of the world.

"And all the world wondered after the beast." Rev 13:3 last part.
paulwhut
#45 Posted : Wednesday, May 14, 2008 6:14:39 AM
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Like I said, the day was mentioned cause that is when those occurrances happened.



Nothing is intimated making special signifance to the 1st day. Baptism memorialized the Resurrection.



The day ends at sundown and Friday afternoon businesses were closed and the people began to prepare for the Sabbath which commences at sundown. They either figured their tithes and offerings at that time or waited until the 1st day to do their figuring of the previous week to bring to church the next sabbath.



Good for you that you looked up those scriptures.



also the following verse tells us why they were meeting on the first day......(they were afraid for their lives and "were meeting for fear of the Jews".....:



John 20:19

19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.

KJV



The sabbath was still the sabbath.



They thought they were next to be killed.
Many wonder today why the Republican party does nothing to defeat the treasonous
schemes of the Democrats. It is because the pope’s Jesuits have thoroughly
infiltrated the Republican party as well as the Democratic party. Many wonder why
the news media lie so much to support and protect the Democrats. It is because the
pope’s Jesuits have thoroughly infiltrated the news media. The news media and
schools and colleges, with their lies and propaganda, have so conditioned the
people of the country that they are unable to recognize what has been done to them.
Victory for the Jesuits seems very near. The Jesuits are like a cancer that has
pervaded nearly every fiber of the society of the United States. We are being
defeated by the enemy within.

For many years the Jesuits have prevented the United States from developing
additional sources of energy within its own territory. Exploiting the vast oilfields on
the Alaskan north slope, that probably contain more oil than the entire middle east,
is forbidden. New nuclear power plants, the safest source of electric energy ever
discovered, are not permitted. There is no end to the lies people have been made to
believe about Nuclear energy. The environment is used as the club to subdue the
people of the country into going along with this idiocy. Modern technology is able to
develop these sources of power without any damage to the environment. France
gets 80% of its power from nuclear power plants without any problems. Needless to
say, without sufficient energy, the United States will not be able to defend itself. All
the papacy has to do is cut off the oil supply from the middle east.

The United States is now starting to feel the pinch of the energy shortage the Jesuits
have created. People have experienced blackouts over large areas as power is shut
off to stay within the limits of generating capacity. Today, instead of constructing
additional nuclear power plants, some of these plants are being dismantled! Will the
people of the United States be able to wake up in time to prevent the coming
national tragedy?

Not only in the United States is this treachery being perpetrated by the papacy, but
they are secretly at work all over the world to subvert all the nations of the world.

"And all the world wondered after the beast." Rev 13:3 last part.
stevelundgren
#46 Posted : Wednesday, May 14, 2008 9:47:07 AM
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Quote: Originally posted by paulwhut on 14 May 2008

Like I said, the day was mentioned cause that is when those occurrances happened...
The New Testament lists eight occurances of the early Church meeting on the first day of the week. Are there any occurances of the early Church meeting on the seventh day of the week? I want chapter and verse.





stevelundgren
#47 Posted : Wednesday, May 14, 2008 11:19:08 AM
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paulwhut,



I should clarify that the references I want to see would be after the resurrection.



stevelundgren
#48 Posted : Wednesday, May 14, 2008 12:19:49 PM
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paulwhut,



Basically, I am asking you to comply with Romans chapter 14. This chapter does a great job of addressing what I mean by the "grey area". We should not be fighting about these things.



Romans 14



1 Accept him whose faith is weak, without passing judgment on disputable matters. 2 One man’s faith allows him to eat everything, but another man, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. 3 The man who eats everything must not look down on him who does not, and the man who does not eat everything must not condemn the man who does, for God has accepted him. 4 Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.

5 One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord. He who eats meat, eats to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains, does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. 7 For none of us lives to himself alone and none of us dies to himself alone. 8 If we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord.

9 For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living. 10 You, then, why do you judge your brother? Or why do you look down on your brother? For we will all stand before God’s judgment seat. 11 It is written:

   " ’As surely as I live,’ says the Lord,

   ’every knee will bow before me;

      every tongue will confess to God.’

" 12 So then, each of us will give an account of himself to God.

13 Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in your brother’s way. 14 As one who is in the Lord Jesus, I am fully convinced that no food is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for him it is unclean. 15 If your brother is distressed because of what you eat, you are no longer acting in love. Do not by your eating destroy your brother for whom Christ died. 16 Do not allow what you consider good to be spoken of as evil. 17 For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit, 18 because anyone who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God and approved by men.

19 Let us therefore make every effort to do what leads to peace and to mutual edification. 20 Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean, but it is wrong for a man to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble. 21 It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or to do anything else that will cause your brother to fall.

22 So whatever you believe about these things keep between yourself and God. Blessed is the man who does not condemn himself by what he approves. 23 But the man who has doubts is condemned if he eats, because his eating is not from faith; and everything that does not come from faith is sin.







an4cl
#49 Posted : Wednesday, May 14, 2008 4:14:27 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by stevelundgren on 14 May 2008

Hit or Ms?





I’m pretty sure "C" is a Ms. She was birching earlier today.
























Quote: Originally posted by stevelundgren on 14 May 2008



Very funny ladies. I can hear you both tittering.


















Quote: Originally posted by stevelundgren on 13 May 2008



This is very serious material...
















So let me see if I understand you correctly.



The SDAs have cornered the market on "truth". Everyone else is going to hell (but not for eternity). It’s your way or the highway.



Did I miss anything? I’m not even sure who you are railing against. You are waffling back and forth between arrogance and confession of arrogance.
















From what I have seen of your posts. Your description of Paul fits you to a tee. With an enphases on Arrogance.
















Thanks, I been working hard on that. I’m glad it’s finally paying off.





"Enphases" should be spelled, emphasis, Sis’.



And don’t capitalize "arrogance" at the end of a sentence.














Quote: Originally posted by mistero on 14 May 2008

Poop Boy is still my favorite!










The child continues to spell check and drive wedges between all posters.It must have the final word at any cost.A rat is still a rat by any other name.LMAO.





P.S.I think its about time for a trip down archival lane.Then your friends may see you for what you are.





nestgotjesus
#50 Posted : Wednesday, May 14, 2008 4:37:40 PM
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All right Mr. A. You’re back!!! Sure did miss you.

Only one dot per sentence, just for you.

Good to hear from you.
stevelundgren
#51 Posted : Wednesday, May 14, 2008 4:53:02 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by an4cl on 14 May 2008

The child continues...
That’s a good imitation of peghed. Parrot.





an4cl
#52 Posted : Wednesday, May 14, 2008 4:55:06 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by stevelundgren on 14 May 2008

Quote: Originally posted by an4cl on 14 May 2008

The child continues...




That’s a good imitation of peghed. Parrot.
















Why thank you,friend.

an4cl
#53 Posted : Wednesday, May 14, 2008 5:00:37 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by nestgotJesus on 14 May 2008

All right Mr. A. You’re back!!! Sure did miss you.

Only one dot per sentence, just for you.

Good to hear from you.






Back at you Nest.Hope all is well with you.
paulwhut
#54 Posted : Wednesday, May 14, 2008 9:17:29 PM
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I had a thought today that I thought was appropriate for our discussion. I had titled this forum "Dancing With God".   And I was trying to show how in order to associate and enjoy His fellowship and approval, we had to learn about Him and find out what He requires, especially in how to "love Him back".



But when it comes to obeying Him, instead of dancing with God, you know, letting Him lead, some of us want Him to dance with us. We want to lead. Do things our way.



I can give chapter and verse in the NT where the Sabbath was kept, and then you would come up with some other reason for avoiding the responsiblity of the Fourth Commandment.



But anyway............here goes...........

Acts 13:14-15

14 But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down.

15 And after the reading of the law and the prophets the rulers of the synagogue sent unto them, saying, Ye men and brethren, if ye have any word of exhortation for the people, say on.

KJV





now on down to vs 42   



Acts 13:42-46

42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.

43 Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.



44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

45 But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy, and spake against those things which were spoken by Paul, contradicting and blaspheming.

46 Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.

KJV



please note, if sunday was a holy day, then why wasn’t Paul and Barnabas asked to come back the next day?

which would have been Sunday, the 1st day of the week? NO they were asked to come back the next sabbath.



Here is another one.....

Acts 16:13-15

13 And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted thither.

14 And a certain woman named Lydia, a seller of purple, of the city of Thyatira, which worshipped God, heard us: whose heart the Lord opened, that she attended unto the things which were spoken of Paul.



15 And when she was baptized, and her household, she besought us, saying, If ye have judged me to be faithful to the Lord, come into my house, and abide there. And she constrained us.

KJV



Now, here is another one..............



Acts 17:1-4

17 Now when they had passed through Amphipolis and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica, where was a synagogue of the Jews:

2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,

3 Opening and alleging, that Christ must needs have suffered, and risen again from the dead; and that this Jesus, whom I preach unto you, is Christ.

4 And some of them believed, and consorted with Paul and Silas; and of the devout Greeks a great multitude, and of the chief women not a few.

KJV



Acts 18:1-6

18 After these things Paul departed from Athens, and came to Corinth;

2 And found a certain Jew named Aquila, born in Pontus, lately come from Italy, with his wife Priscilla; (because that Claudius had commanded all Jews to depart from Romehappy and came unto them.

3 And because he was of the same craft, he abode with them, and wrought: for by their occupation they were tentmakers.



4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.

5 And when Silas and Timotheus were come from Macedonia, Paul was pressed in the spirit, and testified to the Jews that Jesus was Christ.

6 And when they opposed themselves, and blasphemed, he shook his raiment, and said unto them, Your blood be upon your own heads; I am clean: from henceforth I will go unto the Gentiles.

KJV







Many wonder today why the Republican party does nothing to defeat the treasonous
schemes of the Democrats. It is because the pope’s Jesuits have thoroughly
infiltrated the Republican party as well as the Democratic party. Many wonder why
the news media lie so much to support and protect the Democrats. It is because the
pope’s Jesuits have thoroughly infiltrated the news media. The news media and
schools and colleges, with their lies and propaganda, have so conditioned the
people of the country that they are unable to recognize what has been done to them.
Victory for the Jesuits seems very near. The Jesuits are like a cancer that has
pervaded nearly every fiber of the society of the United States. We are being
defeated by the enemy within.

For many years the Jesuits have prevented the United States from developing
additional sources of energy within its own territory. Exploiting the vast oilfields on
the Alaskan north slope, that probably contain more oil than the entire middle east,
is forbidden. New nuclear power plants, the safest source of electric energy ever
discovered, are not permitted. There is no end to the lies people have been made to
believe about Nuclear energy. The environment is used as the club to subdue the
people of the country into going along with this idiocy. Modern technology is able to
develop these sources of power without any damage to the environment. France
gets 80% of its power from nuclear power plants without any problems. Needless to
say, without sufficient energy, the United States will not be able to defend itself. All
the papacy has to do is cut off the oil supply from the middle east.

The United States is now starting to feel the pinch of the energy shortage the Jesuits
have created. People have experienced blackouts over large areas as power is shut
off to stay within the limits of generating capacity. Today, instead of constructing
additional nuclear power plants, some of these plants are being dismantled! Will the
people of the United States be able to wake up in time to prevent the coming
national tragedy?

Not only in the United States is this treachery being perpetrated by the papacy, but
they are secretly at work all over the world to subvert all the nations of the world.

"And all the world wondered after the beast." Rev 13:3 last part.
paulwhut
#55 Posted : Wednesday, May 14, 2008 9:40:54 PM
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I have a few more minutes so I’ll add this.....



If the Lord was going to retract the sabbath day, and instead institute the 1st day as a holy day, Then wouldn’t he have broadcast it all over the place? Wouldn’t he have put adds in the paper, on radio and TV, and on street corners?? especially at the synogoghes (spelling).



Can you see the faces of the scribes and pharasees, not to mention the "teachers of the Law".....and the conversation at the dinner table..."what would Moses think of this?????"



And speaking of Moses, he had people stoned for picking up sticks on the sabbath. And what did God say when the people were gathering manna on the sabbath day???



Ex 16:24-30

24 And they laid it up till the morning, as Moses bade: and it did not stink, neither was there any worm therein.

25 And Moses said, Eat that to day; for to day is a sabbath unto the Lord: to day ye shall not find it in the field.

26 Six days ye shall gather it; but on the seventh day, which is the sabbath, in it there shall be none.

27 And it came to pass, that there went out some of the people on the seventh day for to gather, and they found none.



28 And the Lord said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?

29 See, for that the Lord hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.

30 So the people rested on the seventh day.

KJV





You are INSISTANT that for 8 texts in the NT (which incidentally you have garnished with meanings that just are not justified) you are going to do away with the FORTH COMMANDMENT????!!



What will we have now to comemorate the Creation Week?



And just throw away Gen 2:1-3



And all of the other texts in the bible dealing with the Lord and His requirements for us, and His definition of sin.



Good night to all of you good people.
Many wonder today why the Republican party does nothing to defeat the treasonous
schemes of the Democrats. It is because the pope’s Jesuits have thoroughly
infiltrated the Republican party as well as the Democratic party. Many wonder why
the news media lie so much to support and protect the Democrats. It is because the
pope’s Jesuits have thoroughly infiltrated the news media. The news media and
schools and colleges, with their lies and propaganda, have so conditioned the
people of the country that they are unable to recognize what has been done to them.
Victory for the Jesuits seems very near. The Jesuits are like a cancer that has
pervaded nearly every fiber of the society of the United States. We are being
defeated by the enemy within.

For many years the Jesuits have prevented the United States from developing
additional sources of energy within its own territory. Exploiting the vast oilfields on
the Alaskan north slope, that probably contain more oil than the entire middle east,
is forbidden. New nuclear power plants, the safest source of electric energy ever
discovered, are not permitted. There is no end to the lies people have been made to
believe about Nuclear energy. The environment is used as the club to subdue the
people of the country into going along with this idiocy. Modern technology is able to
develop these sources of power without any damage to the environment. France
gets 80% of its power from nuclear power plants without any problems. Needless to
say, without sufficient energy, the United States will not be able to defend itself. All
the papacy has to do is cut off the oil supply from the middle east.

The United States is now starting to feel the pinch of the energy shortage the Jesuits
have created. People have experienced blackouts over large areas as power is shut
off to stay within the limits of generating capacity. Today, instead of constructing
additional nuclear power plants, some of these plants are being dismantled! Will the
people of the United States be able to wake up in time to prevent the coming
national tragedy?

Not only in the United States is this treachery being perpetrated by the papacy, but
they are secretly at work all over the world to subvert all the nations of the world.

"And all the world wondered after the beast." Rev 13:3 last part.
stevelundgren
#56 Posted : Wednesday, May 14, 2008 11:27:16 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by paulwhut on 14 May 2008

...I can give chapter and verse in the NT where the Sabbath was kept, and then you would come up with some other reason for avoiding the responsiblity of the Fourth Commandment.








Good grief, you can’t be serious. These passages are about the Apostle Paul going into Jewish synagogues on the Sabbath to do evangelism. They are not about the Christian churches meeting on the Sabbath. You have not proved your point.





1 When they had passed through Amphipolis and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica, where there was a Jewish synagogue. 2 As his custom was, Paul went into the synagogue, and on three Sabbath days he reasoned with them from the Scriptures, 3 explaining and proving that the Christ had to suffer and rise from the dead. "This Jesus I am proclaiming to you is the Christ," he said.

Acts 17:1-3



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I don’t mind if you worship on the Sabbath. Just don’t tell me I’m wrong if I see it another way. Did you read what I said about Romans 14?





Accept him whose faith is weak, without passing judgment on disputable matters... One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind... For none of us lives to himself alone and none of us dies to himself alone... You, then, why do you judge your brother? Or why do you look down on your brother? For we will all stand before God’s judgment seat... Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in your brother’s way... Let us therefore make every effort to do what leads to peace and to mutual edification... So whatever you believe about these things keep between yourself and God... Romans 14









paulwhut
#57 Posted : Thursday, May 15, 2008 5:52:03 AM
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Joined: 1/17/2008
Posts: 8,628
Paul was establishing christian churches. I don’t understand what else he was doing. He and the other desiples were spreading out taking the good news of a risen saviour to the world.



In the few years i’ve lived I have found individuals who think the way they think and then I realize that I think the way I think. Since salvation is so personal, and our relationship with Jesus is so personal, I understand that the Book was given to us to study for ourselves and strive the best way we can to know and understand God.



We are not saved in groups. Churches don’t save us. We each must work out our own salvation.



Many chose to follow the prophets and persons of the Bible. Many don’t. God is the Judge.
Many wonder today why the Republican party does nothing to defeat the treasonous
schemes of the Democrats. It is because the pope’s Jesuits have thoroughly
infiltrated the Republican party as well as the Democratic party. Many wonder why
the news media lie so much to support and protect the Democrats. It is because the
pope’s Jesuits have thoroughly infiltrated the news media. The news media and
schools and colleges, with their lies and propaganda, have so conditioned the
people of the country that they are unable to recognize what has been done to them.
Victory for the Jesuits seems very near. The Jesuits are like a cancer that has
pervaded nearly every fiber of the society of the United States. We are being
defeated by the enemy within.

For many years the Jesuits have prevented the United States from developing
additional sources of energy within its own territory. Exploiting the vast oilfields on
the Alaskan north slope, that probably contain more oil than the entire middle east,
is forbidden. New nuclear power plants, the safest source of electric energy ever
discovered, are not permitted. There is no end to the lies people have been made to
believe about Nuclear energy. The environment is used as the club to subdue the
people of the country into going along with this idiocy. Modern technology is able to
develop these sources of power without any damage to the environment. France
gets 80% of its power from nuclear power plants without any problems. Needless to
say, without sufficient energy, the United States will not be able to defend itself. All
the papacy has to do is cut off the oil supply from the middle east.

The United States is now starting to feel the pinch of the energy shortage the Jesuits
have created. People have experienced blackouts over large areas as power is shut
off to stay within the limits of generating capacity. Today, instead of constructing
additional nuclear power plants, some of these plants are being dismantled! Will the
people of the United States be able to wake up in time to prevent the coming
national tragedy?

Not only in the United States is this treachery being perpetrated by the papacy, but
they are secretly at work all over the world to subvert all the nations of the world.

"And all the world wondered after the beast." Rev 13:3 last part.
paulwhut
#58 Posted : Thursday, May 15, 2008 6:25:26 AM
Rank: Advanced Member




Joined: 1/17/2008
Posts: 8,628
Other sources of info is found in encylopedias, and also Foxes Book of Myrters..(spelling)



In the 3rd century the emperior Constintine wanted to unite his kingdom, which consisted of pagan sun worshipers and sabbath keeping christians. He set aside the 1st day of the week as a day of "festivities" and thus the "weekend" was born.



And for a couple of centuries they coexisted peaceably until the rise of the roman church in the 5th century, then the persecution began heavily, and the sabbath keeping christians either were killed or went into hiding.



So during the dark ages truth was suppressed, error and ignorance reigned, and then the reformation took place.



I hope you know the story.



paul
Many wonder today why the Republican party does nothing to defeat the treasonous
schemes of the Democrats. It is because the pope’s Jesuits have thoroughly
infiltrated the Republican party as well as the Democratic party. Many wonder why
the news media lie so much to support and protect the Democrats. It is because the
pope’s Jesuits have thoroughly infiltrated the news media. The news media and
schools and colleges, with their lies and propaganda, have so conditioned the
people of the country that they are unable to recognize what has been done to them.
Victory for the Jesuits seems very near. The Jesuits are like a cancer that has
pervaded nearly every fiber of the society of the United States. We are being
defeated by the enemy within.

For many years the Jesuits have prevented the United States from developing
additional sources of energy within its own territory. Exploiting the vast oilfields on
the Alaskan north slope, that probably contain more oil than the entire middle east,
is forbidden. New nuclear power plants, the safest source of electric energy ever
discovered, are not permitted. There is no end to the lies people have been made to
believe about Nuclear energy. The environment is used as the club to subdue the
people of the country into going along with this idiocy. Modern technology is able to
develop these sources of power without any damage to the environment. France
gets 80% of its power from nuclear power plants without any problems. Needless to
say, without sufficient energy, the United States will not be able to defend itself. All
the papacy has to do is cut off the oil supply from the middle east.

The United States is now starting to feel the pinch of the energy shortage the Jesuits
have created. People have experienced blackouts over large areas as power is shut
off to stay within the limits of generating capacity. Today, instead of constructing
additional nuclear power plants, some of these plants are being dismantled! Will the
people of the United States be able to wake up in time to prevent the coming
national tragedy?

Not only in the United States is this treachery being perpetrated by the papacy, but
they are secretly at work all over the world to subvert all the nations of the world.

"And all the world wondered after the beast." Rev 13:3 last part.
stevelundgren
#59 Posted : Thursday, May 15, 2008 8:04:16 AM
Rank: Advanced Member


Joined: 7/1/2008
Posts: 220,387
Quote: Originally posted by paulwhut on 15 May 2008

Paul was establishing christian churches. I don’t understand what else he was doing. He and the other desiples were spreading out taking the good news of a risen saviour to the world...




The Apostle Paul was doing evangelism. He went into the Jewish synagogues on the Sabbath to talk to them about the Messiah. See below.





1 When they had passed through Amphipolis and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica, where there was a Jewish synagogue. 2 As his custom was, Paul went into the synagogue, and on three Sabbath days he reasoned with them from the Scriptures, 3 explaining and proving that the Christ had to suffer and rise from the dead. "This Jesus I am proclaiming to you is the Christ," he said.

Acts 17:1-3



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I don’t mind if you worship on the Sabbath. Just don’t tell me I’m wrong if I see it another way. Did you read Romans 14?





Accept him whose faith is weak, without passing judgment on disputable matters... One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind... For none of us lives to himself alone and none of us dies to himself alone... You, then, why do you judge your brother? Or why do you look down on your brother? For we will all stand before God’s judgment seat... Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in your brother’s way... Let us therefore make every effort to do what leads to peace and to mutual edification... So whatever you believe about these things keep between yourself and God... Romans 14





stevelundgren
#60 Posted : Thursday, May 15, 2008 8:19:45 AM
Rank: Advanced Member


Joined: 7/1/2008
Posts: 220,387
Quote: Originally posted by paulwhut on 15 May 2008

...So during the dark ages truth was suppressed, error and ignorance reigned, and then the reformation took place...
...and we’ve been meeting on Saturday ever since. Err... I mean Sunday.



Hmm... I don’t follow your logic.



I think we are off topic; we should go back to talking about dancing with God.



Do they allow you to dance with God at church? I belong to a Pentecostal church, so it’s not unusual for us. In fact we encourage it. But it’s not for everyone.



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