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paulwhut
#61 Posted : Thursday, May 15, 2008 9:53:08 PM
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You made light of the Reformation.



The Dark Ages were a time of tremendous oppression and ignorance. The domineering Roman Catholic church was murderous in its treatment of faithful christians who refused to bow down to images, or to go against other teachings of the bible.



When the Reformation took place and the pilgrims escaped to America, they only knew some bible truths. Sunday had been ingrained in them for so long that is what they thought was right.



I’m not sure how long after the pilgrims settled but it was the 7th Day Baptist who brought to light the sabbath truth of the Fourth Commandment.



As far as dancing is concerned, it is not performed, at least in the circle that I travel.



In some ethnic groups, the North American Indians perhaps, or overseas in some areas, certain types of danceing may take place. Such as concerns harvests or dancing of happiness. I’m talking within the SDA church you understand.



I don’t think romantic dancing is performed except in the privacy of one’s home, and with one’s own spouse.



Dancing with God is a very deep, thoughtful, loving endeaver. Something to think about for sure! And it was a new thought for me, that is why I started this subject.



paul



Many wonder today why the Republican party does nothing to defeat the treasonous
schemes of the Democrats. It is because the pope’s Jesuits have thoroughly
infiltrated the Republican party as well as the Democratic party. Many wonder why
the news media lie so much to support and protect the Democrats. It is because the
pope’s Jesuits have thoroughly infiltrated the news media. The news media and
schools and colleges, with their lies and propaganda, have so conditioned the
people of the country that they are unable to recognize what has been done to them.
Victory for the Jesuits seems very near. The Jesuits are like a cancer that has
pervaded nearly every fiber of the society of the United States. We are being
defeated by the enemy within.

For many years the Jesuits have prevented the United States from developing
additional sources of energy within its own territory. Exploiting the vast oilfields on
the Alaskan north slope, that probably contain more oil than the entire middle east,
is forbidden. New nuclear power plants, the safest source of electric energy ever
discovered, are not permitted. There is no end to the lies people have been made to
believe about Nuclear energy. The environment is used as the club to subdue the
people of the country into going along with this idiocy. Modern technology is able to
develop these sources of power without any damage to the environment. France
gets 80% of its power from nuclear power plants without any problems. Needless to
say, without sufficient energy, the United States will not be able to defend itself. All
the papacy has to do is cut off the oil supply from the middle east.

The United States is now starting to feel the pinch of the energy shortage the Jesuits
have created. People have experienced blackouts over large areas as power is shut
off to stay within the limits of generating capacity. Today, instead of constructing
additional nuclear power plants, some of these plants are being dismantled! Will the
people of the United States be able to wake up in time to prevent the coming
national tragedy?

Not only in the United States is this treachery being perpetrated by the papacy, but
they are secretly at work all over the world to subvert all the nations of the world.

"And all the world wondered after the beast." Rev 13:3 last part.
paulwhut
#62 Posted : Thursday, May 15, 2008 9:57:52 PM
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bibleuniverse.com is a wonderful web site conducted by Amazing Facts.



Very attractive bible studies, and a library of topics and Q&A of bible interests that will keep your attention!



paul
Many wonder today why the Republican party does nothing to defeat the treasonous
schemes of the Democrats. It is because the pope’s Jesuits have thoroughly
infiltrated the Republican party as well as the Democratic party. Many wonder why
the news media lie so much to support and protect the Democrats. It is because the
pope’s Jesuits have thoroughly infiltrated the news media. The news media and
schools and colleges, with their lies and propaganda, have so conditioned the
people of the country that they are unable to recognize what has been done to them.
Victory for the Jesuits seems very near. The Jesuits are like a cancer that has
pervaded nearly every fiber of the society of the United States. We are being
defeated by the enemy within.

For many years the Jesuits have prevented the United States from developing
additional sources of energy within its own territory. Exploiting the vast oilfields on
the Alaskan north slope, that probably contain more oil than the entire middle east,
is forbidden. New nuclear power plants, the safest source of electric energy ever
discovered, are not permitted. There is no end to the lies people have been made to
believe about Nuclear energy. The environment is used as the club to subdue the
people of the country into going along with this idiocy. Modern technology is able to
develop these sources of power without any damage to the environment. France
gets 80% of its power from nuclear power plants without any problems. Needless to
say, without sufficient energy, the United States will not be able to defend itself. All
the papacy has to do is cut off the oil supply from the middle east.

The United States is now starting to feel the pinch of the energy shortage the Jesuits
have created. People have experienced blackouts over large areas as power is shut
off to stay within the limits of generating capacity. Today, instead of constructing
additional nuclear power plants, some of these plants are being dismantled! Will the
people of the United States be able to wake up in time to prevent the coming
national tragedy?

Not only in the United States is this treachery being perpetrated by the papacy, but
they are secretly at work all over the world to subvert all the nations of the world.

"And all the world wondered after the beast." Rev 13:3 last part.
stevelundgren
#63 Posted : Thursday, May 15, 2008 10:28:28 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by paulwhut on 15 May 2008

...When the Reformation took place and the pilgrims escaped to America, they only knew some bible truths. Sunday had been ingrained in them for so long that is what they thought was right...




...After 1500 years or so, it just seemed like the right thing to do. I suppose you could call that ingrained.



BTW: I wasn’t making light of the Reformation, I was pointing out that the enlightenment didn’t re-establish the return of Sabbath day worship. The Reformation was about Grace, not about the Law of Moses (works).



-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------



Question: Have you lost your sense of humor? You seem very uptight. I think my posts come across as cruel sarcasm, rather than light-hearted repartee (quick wit).



paulwhut
#64 Posted : Friday, May 16, 2008 5:46:36 AM
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Joined: 1/17/2008
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I’ve been impressed with the seriousness of the times we are living in.



The moral decline of our society is so sad. The up-front in your face rudeness and also the gay/lesbian situation, the dis-honesty and evasiveness of our leaders, and we have already discussed the dishonesty/ignorance of our religions and beliefs in Jesus and the bible in general.



We are rushing onwards to a cataclismic (spelling) happinings. The econimic morass.....the $4 gas prices looming. The signs of the times are right there.



And the world is ignorant of the prophetic signposts.



I have a crummy since of humor.
Many wonder today why the Republican party does nothing to defeat the treasonous
schemes of the Democrats. It is because the pope’s Jesuits have thoroughly
infiltrated the Republican party as well as the Democratic party. Many wonder why
the news media lie so much to support and protect the Democrats. It is because the
pope’s Jesuits have thoroughly infiltrated the news media. The news media and
schools and colleges, with their lies and propaganda, have so conditioned the
people of the country that they are unable to recognize what has been done to them.
Victory for the Jesuits seems very near. The Jesuits are like a cancer that has
pervaded nearly every fiber of the society of the United States. We are being
defeated by the enemy within.

For many years the Jesuits have prevented the United States from developing
additional sources of energy within its own territory. Exploiting the vast oilfields on
the Alaskan north slope, that probably contain more oil than the entire middle east,
is forbidden. New nuclear power plants, the safest source of electric energy ever
discovered, are not permitted. There is no end to the lies people have been made to
believe about Nuclear energy. The environment is used as the club to subdue the
people of the country into going along with this idiocy. Modern technology is able to
develop these sources of power without any damage to the environment. France
gets 80% of its power from nuclear power plants without any problems. Needless to
say, without sufficient energy, the United States will not be able to defend itself. All
the papacy has to do is cut off the oil supply from the middle east.

The United States is now starting to feel the pinch of the energy shortage the Jesuits
have created. People have experienced blackouts over large areas as power is shut
off to stay within the limits of generating capacity. Today, instead of constructing
additional nuclear power plants, some of these plants are being dismantled! Will the
people of the United States be able to wake up in time to prevent the coming
national tragedy?

Not only in the United States is this treachery being perpetrated by the papacy, but
they are secretly at work all over the world to subvert all the nations of the world.

"And all the world wondered after the beast." Rev 13:3 last part.
stevelundgren
#65 Posted : Friday, May 16, 2008 7:43:15 AM
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Joined: 7/1/2008
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paulwhut,



Anxiety and striving are bad for you. Lighten up.





Do Not Worry



25 "Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more important than food, and the body more important than clothes? 26 Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they? 27 Who of you by worrying can add a single hour to his life?

Matthew 6:25-27



lespadesa
#66 Posted : Friday, May 16, 2008 11:13:49 AM

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Good morning reformatory inmates,



It seems that "churches" spring up every where with the idea that they have finally found "THE TRUTH". The truth is in Matthew where Jesus is asking the desciples who they think he is. The questions brought to mind are what is this rock and what is revealed about the way the Church is operated?



13 ¶ When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?

14 And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.

15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?

16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.



Now for my personal beliefs: The Church was established by Jesus and the desciples formed various groups based on the teaching of Jesus. Jesus taught the disciples by answering questions and speaking in parables. He demonstrated who He was by performing miracles and doing things that were sometimes outside the laws kept by the priests with explanations to the questioners of why it was permissable.

When Jesus is accepted by a believer, that He died and rose again and is baptised, the believer is given a gift of God, the Holy Spirit. This is the connection that separates people who are believers and people who are being led by the teachings of man. A believer has an open line to God but, it is just like a telephone, if you don’t call you may not be connected.

Yhis is the Rock that I stand on and for and it doesn’t have a denominational name tag hanging over it.



Thank God for His Son, Spirit and immeasureable Grace.



lespadesa
stevelundgren
#67 Posted : Friday, May 16, 2008 9:23:52 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by lespadesa on 16 May 2008

Good morning reformatory inmates, ...
How did you know?





stevelundgren
#68 Posted : Friday, May 16, 2008 9:56:19 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by paulwhut on 16 May 2008

I’ve been impressed with the seriousness of the times we are living in.
I think affected (or infected) is a better word than impressed.



Quote:

The moral decline of our society is so sad. The up-front in your face rudeness and also the gay/lesbian situation, the dis-honesty and evasiveness of our leaders, and we have already discussed the dishonesty/ignorance of our religions and beliefs in Jesus and the bible in general.
Are you really surprized by this? I agree that it is appalling. But it is to be expected.



Quote:

We are rushing onwards to a cataclismic (spelling) happinings. The econimic morass.....the $4 gas prices looming. The signs of the times are right there.
We are fast approaching the end of days. These things MUST take place.



Quote:

And the world is ignorant of the prophetic signposts.
Of course they are. Before the end comes it will be like the time of Noah. We are seemingly very close.

Quote:

I have a crummy since of humor.


You can’t do anything to stop the end from coming or all the things leading up to it. But you can do something about your attitude. Compare what you KNOW against what you THINK to find the lies of the enemy.



"Submit yourselves, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you." James 4:7





"...and he (Jesus) will delight in the fear of the LORD.

       He will not judge by what he sees with his eyes,

       or decide by what he hears with his ears; ..."


Isaiah 11:3





paulwhut
#69 Posted : Saturday, May 17, 2008 8:11:37 AM
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These things I do know...



For every truth in the bible satan has a counterfet.



The Bible is inspired Word Of God. Harmonious in all aspects.



The Lord we serve is Love personified.



He has His hands on the pulse of the world.



Satan and his angels are in a frenzy, they see their time is short, and they know their destiny...the lake of fire.



The names of the saints are in the Book of Life and they shall walk those streets of gold.



Praise The Lord!
Many wonder today why the Republican party does nothing to defeat the treasonous
schemes of the Democrats. It is because the pope’s Jesuits have thoroughly
infiltrated the Republican party as well as the Democratic party. Many wonder why
the news media lie so much to support and protect the Democrats. It is because the
pope’s Jesuits have thoroughly infiltrated the news media. The news media and
schools and colleges, with their lies and propaganda, have so conditioned the
people of the country that they are unable to recognize what has been done to them.
Victory for the Jesuits seems very near. The Jesuits are like a cancer that has
pervaded nearly every fiber of the society of the United States. We are being
defeated by the enemy within.

For many years the Jesuits have prevented the United States from developing
additional sources of energy within its own territory. Exploiting the vast oilfields on
the Alaskan north slope, that probably contain more oil than the entire middle east,
is forbidden. New nuclear power plants, the safest source of electric energy ever
discovered, are not permitted. There is no end to the lies people have been made to
believe about Nuclear energy. The environment is used as the club to subdue the
people of the country into going along with this idiocy. Modern technology is able to
develop these sources of power without any damage to the environment. France
gets 80% of its power from nuclear power plants without any problems. Needless to
say, without sufficient energy, the United States will not be able to defend itself. All
the papacy has to do is cut off the oil supply from the middle east.

The United States is now starting to feel the pinch of the energy shortage the Jesuits
have created. People have experienced blackouts over large areas as power is shut
off to stay within the limits of generating capacity. Today, instead of constructing
additional nuclear power plants, some of these plants are being dismantled! Will the
people of the United States be able to wake up in time to prevent the coming
national tragedy?

Not only in the United States is this treachery being perpetrated by the papacy, but
they are secretly at work all over the world to subvert all the nations of the world.

"And all the world wondered after the beast." Rev 13:3 last part.
anav_dvorah
#70 Posted : Saturday, May 17, 2008 9:26:30 AM
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Be a real friend to those who are grieving-just be available!
anav_dvorah
#71 Posted : Saturday, May 17, 2008 9:29:49 AM
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Actually- It is even better to invite the berieved to whatever activities you are interrested in. If they are not interrested they will say so.-just invite!
an4cl
#72 Posted : Saturday, May 17, 2008 10:06:23 AM
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Does it annoy you as much as it does the pegleg when a loudmouthed boor stands up, adjusts his belt, and whilst heading for the loo proudly announces, "Well, I reckon I’ll go take me a big ol’ lundgren."?



paulwhut
#73 Posted : Saturday, May 17, 2008 8:33:59 PM
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It is sundown, and the Sabbath has ended. The nursing home went well in that I didn’t break a string...(last week it was an "a" string....The base man showed up and that made my day!



Anytime the bass man shows up, then I’m good to go!!! Of course there has been a couple of times over the years when I was the only one that showed and so the people had to put up with just me.



Normally our little group consists of the fiddle player, the base man, and myself on rhythem guitar. (spelling)



We stand for an hour and sing out of the "Country-Western Hymnal" a blue spiral bound song book that has really neat Gospel songs in it. Anymore the only singers that show are my wife, and another couple.



Some of the other folks who were really faithful in coming, died. One sang alto and the other a deep baritone......really miss them both.



The years I used to play in the honky-tonks makes the nursing home gigs easy. I’m so glad I’m able to bring a little gospel peculiar to my style to these shut-ins.



Trying to love God back for all the love he has shown to me. His showering of blessings upon me and mine makes my efforts pitifully small.....indeed.



Think of your dance with God.....are you letting Him lead?
Many wonder today why the Republican party does nothing to defeat the treasonous
schemes of the Democrats. It is because the pope’s Jesuits have thoroughly
infiltrated the Republican party as well as the Democratic party. Many wonder why
the news media lie so much to support and protect the Democrats. It is because the
pope’s Jesuits have thoroughly infiltrated the news media. The news media and
schools and colleges, with their lies and propaganda, have so conditioned the
people of the country that they are unable to recognize what has been done to them.
Victory for the Jesuits seems very near. The Jesuits are like a cancer that has
pervaded nearly every fiber of the society of the United States. We are being
defeated by the enemy within.

For many years the Jesuits have prevented the United States from developing
additional sources of energy within its own territory. Exploiting the vast oilfields on
the Alaskan north slope, that probably contain more oil than the entire middle east,
is forbidden. New nuclear power plants, the safest source of electric energy ever
discovered, are not permitted. There is no end to the lies people have been made to
believe about Nuclear energy. The environment is used as the club to subdue the
people of the country into going along with this idiocy. Modern technology is able to
develop these sources of power without any damage to the environment. France
gets 80% of its power from nuclear power plants without any problems. Needless to
say, without sufficient energy, the United States will not be able to defend itself. All
the papacy has to do is cut off the oil supply from the middle east.

The United States is now starting to feel the pinch of the energy shortage the Jesuits
have created. People have experienced blackouts over large areas as power is shut
off to stay within the limits of generating capacity. Today, instead of constructing
additional nuclear power plants, some of these plants are being dismantled! Will the
people of the United States be able to wake up in time to prevent the coming
national tragedy?

Not only in the United States is this treachery being perpetrated by the papacy, but
they are secretly at work all over the world to subvert all the nations of the world.

"And all the world wondered after the beast." Rev 13:3 last part.
stevelundgren
#74 Posted : Saturday, May 17, 2008 11:09:58 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by anav_dvorah on 17 May 2008

Be a real friend to those who are grieving-just be available!


Hello, are you new? I don’t recognize your user name.



What is happening in your life that you would be posting about grieving? Are you grieving, or do you know someone who is?





catsaregrrrreat
#75 Posted : Saturday, May 17, 2008 11:11:36 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by paulwhut on 17 May 2008

It is sundown, and the Sabbath has ended. The nursing home went well in that I didn’t break a string...(last week it was an "a" string....The base man showed up and that made my day!



Anytime the bass man shows up, then I’m good to go!!! Of course there has been a couple of times over the years when I was the only one that showed and so the people had to put up with just me.



Normally our little group consists of the fiddle player, the base man, and myself on rhythem guitar. (spelling)



We stand for an hour and sing out of the "Country-Western Hymnal" a blue spiral bound song book that has really neat Gospel songs in it. Anymore the only singers that show are my wife, and another couple.



Some of the other folks who were really faithful in coming, died. One sang alto and the other a deep baritone......really miss them both.



The years I used to play in the honky-tonks makes the nursing home gigs easy. I’m so glad I’m able to bring a little gospel peculiar to my style to these shut-ins.



Trying to love God back for all the love he has shown to me. His showering of blessings upon me and mine makes my efforts pitifully small.....indeed.



Think of your dance with God.....are you letting Him lead?




I enjoyed reading this Paul, sounds very fullfilling. God is Great!
paulwhut
#76 Posted : Sunday, May 18, 2008 7:04:38 AM
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Hey Steve, sometime back you had asked me about how I knew that the Jews were no longer a favored people. I had referred you to Dan 9:24-27, when while Daniel was praying the angel Gabriel appeared and began talking to him.....:



    "The time of the first advent and of some of the chief events clustering about the Saviour’s lifework was made known by the angel Gabriel to Daniel. "Seventy weeks," said the angel, "are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most holy." Daniel 9:24.



A day in prophecy stands for a year. See Numbers 14:34; Ezekiel 4:6. The seventy weeks, or four hundred and ninety days, represent four hundred and ninety years. A starting point for this period is given: "Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks" (Daniel 9:25), sixty-nine weeks, or four hundred and eighty-three years.



The commandment to restore and build Jerusalem, as completed by the decree of Artaxerxes Longimanus, went into effect in the autumn of 457 B.C. See Ezra 6:14; 7:1, 9. From this time four hundred and eighty-three years extend to the autumn of A.D. 27. According to the prophecy, this period was to reach to the Messiah, the Anointed One. In A.D. 27, Jesus at His baptism received the anointing of the Holy Spirit and soon afterward began His ministry. Then the message was proclaimed, "The time is fulfilled." Mark 1:15. {PK 698.1}



     Then, said the angel, "He shall confirm the covenant with many for one week [seven years]." For seven years after the Saviour entered on His ministry, the gospel was to be preached especially to the Jews; for three and a half years by Christ Himself, and afterward by the apostles. "In the midst of the week He shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease." Daniel 9:27. In the spring of A.D. 31, Christ, the true Sacrifice, was offered on Calvary. Then the veil of the temple was rent in twain, showing that the sacredness and significance of the sacrificial service had departed. The time had come for the earthly sacrifice and oblation to cease. {PK 699.1}



     The one week--seven years--ended in A.D. 34. Then by the stoning of Stephen the Jews finally sealed their rejection of the gospel; the disciples who were scattered abroad by persecution "went everywhere preaching the word" (Acts 8:4); and shortly after, Saul the persecutor was converted and became Paul the apostle to the Gentiles. {PK 699.2}



These quotes were taken from the book "Prophets And Kings" which is a commentary or brief overview on the OT running from the time of Solomon thru Malachi.



There is a time line I can draw for you and as soon as I figure out how to post that I will.



paul
Many wonder today why the Republican party does nothing to defeat the treasonous
schemes of the Democrats. It is because the pope’s Jesuits have thoroughly
infiltrated the Republican party as well as the Democratic party. Many wonder why
the news media lie so much to support and protect the Democrats. It is because the
pope’s Jesuits have thoroughly infiltrated the news media. The news media and
schools and colleges, with their lies and propaganda, have so conditioned the
people of the country that they are unable to recognize what has been done to them.
Victory for the Jesuits seems very near. The Jesuits are like a cancer that has
pervaded nearly every fiber of the society of the United States. We are being
defeated by the enemy within.

For many years the Jesuits have prevented the United States from developing
additional sources of energy within its own territory. Exploiting the vast oilfields on
the Alaskan north slope, that probably contain more oil than the entire middle east,
is forbidden. New nuclear power plants, the safest source of electric energy ever
discovered, are not permitted. There is no end to the lies people have been made to
believe about Nuclear energy. The environment is used as the club to subdue the
people of the country into going along with this idiocy. Modern technology is able to
develop these sources of power without any damage to the environment. France
gets 80% of its power from nuclear power plants without any problems. Needless to
say, without sufficient energy, the United States will not be able to defend itself. All
the papacy has to do is cut off the oil supply from the middle east.

The United States is now starting to feel the pinch of the energy shortage the Jesuits
have created. People have experienced blackouts over large areas as power is shut
off to stay within the limits of generating capacity. Today, instead of constructing
additional nuclear power plants, some of these plants are being dismantled! Will the
people of the United States be able to wake up in time to prevent the coming
national tragedy?

Not only in the United States is this treachery being perpetrated by the papacy, but
they are secretly at work all over the world to subvert all the nations of the world.

"And all the world wondered after the beast." Rev 13:3 last part.
stevelundgren
#77 Posted : Sunday, May 18, 2008 7:41:06 AM
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Joined: 7/1/2008
Posts: 220,401


paulwhut,



Many things happened in A.D. 34. Why was the stoning of Stephen chosen by SDA as the end of the time of the Jews? It seems to me that when "Saul the persecutor was converted and became Paul the apostle to the Gentiles", would be a more pivitol event in Christian history.



Perhaps the math doesn’t work. I have always related the week and midweek reference in Daniel as being about the seven year tribulation period and the "midweek" Abomination of Desolation causd by the Antichrist. SDA history has shown us that setting dates is a bad idea.



I have drawn up an endtimes timeline as well. We had an adult Sunday School class on the topic and I drew it up at that time. I’m a very visual learner; I needed to see it.



paulwhut
#78 Posted : Sunday, May 18, 2008 8:43:21 AM
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Joined: 1/17/2008
Posts: 8,830
The commandment to restore and build Jerusalem, as completed by the decree of Artaxerxes Longimanus, went into effect in the autumn of 457 B.C. See Ezra 6:14; 7:1, 9. From this time four hundred and eighty-three years extend to the autumn of A.D. 27. According to the prophecy, this period was to reach to the Messiah, the Anointed One. In A.D. 27, Jesus at His baptism received the anointing of the Holy Spirit and soon afterward began His ministry. Then the message was proclaimed, "The time is fulfilled." Mark 1:15. {PK 698.1}





As Christ was baptized and began his ministry in AD27, 3 1/2 years later He was crucified...(which was the middle of the prophetic week) then 3 1/2 years later Stephen was stoned (which ended the 7 year period)





Then, said the angel, "He shall confirm the covenant with many for one week [seven years]." For seven years after the Saviour entered on His ministry, the gospel was to be preached especially to the Jews; for three and a half years by Christ Himself, and afterward by the apostles. "In the midst of the week He shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease." Daniel 9:27. In the spring of A.D. 31, Christ, the true Sacrifice, was offered on Calvary. Then the veil of the temple was rent in twain, showing that the sacredness and significance of the sacrificial service had departed. The time had come for the earthly sacrifice and oblation to cease. {PK 699.1}



   The one week--seven years--ended in A.D. 34. Then by the stoning of Stephen the Jews finally sealed their rejection of the gospel; the disciples who were scattered abroad by persecution "went everywhere preaching the word" (Acts 8:4); and shortly after, Saul the persecutor was converted and became Paul the apostle to the Gentiles. {PK 699.2}









Many wonder today why the Republican party does nothing to defeat the treasonous
schemes of the Democrats. It is because the pope’s Jesuits have thoroughly
infiltrated the Republican party as well as the Democratic party. Many wonder why
the news media lie so much to support and protect the Democrats. It is because the
pope’s Jesuits have thoroughly infiltrated the news media. The news media and
schools and colleges, with their lies and propaganda, have so conditioned the
people of the country that they are unable to recognize what has been done to them.
Victory for the Jesuits seems very near. The Jesuits are like a cancer that has
pervaded nearly every fiber of the society of the United States. We are being
defeated by the enemy within.

For many years the Jesuits have prevented the United States from developing
additional sources of energy within its own territory. Exploiting the vast oilfields on
the Alaskan north slope, that probably contain more oil than the entire middle east,
is forbidden. New nuclear power plants, the safest source of electric energy ever
discovered, are not permitted. There is no end to the lies people have been made to
believe about Nuclear energy. The environment is used as the club to subdue the
people of the country into going along with this idiocy. Modern technology is able to
develop these sources of power without any damage to the environment. France
gets 80% of its power from nuclear power plants without any problems. Needless to
say, without sufficient energy, the United States will not be able to defend itself. All
the papacy has to do is cut off the oil supply from the middle east.

The United States is now starting to feel the pinch of the energy shortage the Jesuits
have created. People have experienced blackouts over large areas as power is shut
off to stay within the limits of generating capacity. Today, instead of constructing
additional nuclear power plants, some of these plants are being dismantled! Will the
people of the United States be able to wake up in time to prevent the coming
national tragedy?

Not only in the United States is this treachery being perpetrated by the papacy, but
they are secretly at work all over the world to subvert all the nations of the world.

"And all the world wondered after the beast." Rev 13:3 last part.
mkeffer
#79 Posted : Sunday, May 18, 2008 10:25:12 AM
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paulwhut continues to display a complete lack of ability to understand the scriptures.



"For I am not ashamed of the gospel: for it is the Power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek."



There is only one verb that controls the two remaining clauses: the verb is. It is in the Greek present tense, emphasizing continuous action. The gospel is continuously God’s power to save, and it is continuously to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.



If we tried to interpret this verse, as some have, to make it simply mean that the gospel came to the Jews first but this is no longer true, the verse would also have to mean that the gospel was once God’s power to salvation, but no longer is. The gospel is the power of God, and the proper procedure is for it to go to the Jew first, regardless of the method of evangelism (Acts 13:5, 14; 14:1; 16:12-13; 17:1-2; 10, 16-17; 18:1, 4, 19; 19:1, 8; 28:16-17; Rom. 1:16; 11:13-14).



The peculiarity about Jewish missions is that regardless of one’s calling to Gentile missions, he is still to go to the Jew first. Even though Paul’s unique calling and ministry was to the Gentiles, the great apostle recognized the principle of Romans 1:16, and everywhere Paul went, he always went to the Jew first.



The blessing aspect of the Abrahamic Covenant is available to the local church that will carry out the principle of Romans 1:16 both in active and passive evangelism. The gospel, whenever it goes out and by whatever means it goes out, should do so to the Jew first.



Psalm 122:6 says:



Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: They shall prosper that love thee.



A special blessing is guaranteed to those who will pray for the peace of Jerusalem. One thing the Scriptures make clear is that the peace of Jerusalem is tied in with the second coming of Messiah, and the prerequisite to the second coming is Israel’s salvation. Those individuals who pray regularly for the salvation of the Jews are guaranteed certain blessings not available by any other means.



This is the root of your problem along with other cults like the JWs...you think you’re Jewish!



Anathema paulwhut.



dsmdaryl
#80 Posted : Sunday, May 18, 2008 2:17:14 PM
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MKeffer, I think you err to set the Jews up on a pedastal like you do. The Jews have no higher place than the Levites, Ephraim, or any other tribe of Israel. The people you refer to as Jews who are occupying Jerusalem have questionable orgins, to put it nicely. The religious leaning of these people is towards Judaism, which is a completely different religion, and at odds, with Biblical Christianity.



I’m not defending Paulwuts interpretations of the Scripture, but maybe you should take a good look at who God’s chosen people really are. I’ll give you a hint, it’s not the people occupying Israel.
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