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#1 Posted : Saturday, August 19, 2017 11:57:14 PM
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Bernie Sanders and Ted Cruz
The difference between patriotism and nationalism is that the patriot is proud of his country for what it does, and the nationalist is proud of his country no matter what it does; the first attitude creates a feeling of responsibility, but the second a feeling of blind arrogance that leads to war.
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#2 Posted : Sunday, August 20, 2017 3:28:21 PM
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it's mind boggling that there is so much help available to trump and he surrounds himself with alt.right wackos who wouldn't know, as lyndon johnson once said, "how to pour p**s out of a boot if the instructions were printed on the heel"......

Former health chiefs to Trump: Avoid new 'Obamacare' crisis

By RICARDO ALONSO-ZALDIVAR
Associated Press
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WASHINGTON airplane -- Don't make things worse.

That's the advice of former U.S. health secretaries of both parties to President Donald Trump and the GOP-led Congress, now that "Obamacare" seems here for the foreseeable future. The 2018 sign-up season for subsidized private health plans starts Nov. 1, with about 10 million people currently served through HealthCare.gov and its state counterparts.

Stability should be the immediate goal, said former Health and Human Services secretaries Kathleen Sebelius, Mike Leavitt and Tommy Thompson. At minimum: Dispel the political and legal uncertainty - fueled by presidential tweets - around billions in subsidies for consumers' insurance copays and deductibles. The three former officials shared their views with The Associated Press.

Beyond the urgent need to calm markets by providing clarity on subsidies, Democrat Sebelius and Republicans Leavitt and Thompson differ on the direction Trump and Congress should take. They agree that Republicans still have an opportunity to put their stamp on the Affordable Care Act, even if the drive to "repeal and replace" former President Barack Obama's legacy program appears to have hit a dead end.

"They can make changes that signal a new ideological direction without generating a logistical and political mess," said Leavitt, who led HHS during former President George W. Bush's second term. "They won the right to make changes. However, they should do it in a skillful way." Leavitt shepherded the Medicare prescription drug benefit through its rocky rollout in 2006.

"Stabilizing the current situation can only - I think - be to their benefit," Sebelius said of the Trump administration. "In an environment in which (insurance) companies are enrolling customers, they've got a lot of time to actually go back to the drawing board and figure this out. The worst of all worlds for them would be to have the current situation unravel because of decisions by this administration."

Sebelius helped steer Obama's law through Congress and later oversaw the troubled launch of HealthCare.gov, when the computer system locked up on the first day of sign-up season, frustrating millions of consumers and embarrassing the White House. She took the heat, but Sebelius stayed on task and ultimately helped deliver a successful open enrollment.

"It would be a mistake to further destabilize the (insurance) market," said Thompson, who served during Bush's first term and led HHS preparations to meet the bioterrorism threat after the deadly anthrax mailings that followed closely the Sept. 11 attacks.

Thompson urged a health care summit between Trump and congressional leaders of both parties, followed by a period of intensive legislative work under a deadline to reach a truce in the political battle over health care.

Trump and top lieutenants like HHS Secretary Tom Price have sent mixed signals.

Leading congressional Republicans want to try to move limited legislation after lawmakers return next month, worried they'll suffer consequences in next year's midterm elections.

At the very least such legislation would provide clear legal authority for the ACA's cost-sharing subsidies, which reduce copays and deductibles for people with modest incomes. Stopping the payments would lead to a spike in premiums, more insurers leaving the markets and increased federal deficits, the Congressional Budget Office warned last week. The markets already saw steep premium increases this year, and more insurers have since bailed out, citing financial losses.

The administration has continued to make monthly subsidy payments to insurers, as recently as last week. But Trump on Twitter and in interviews has repeatedly threatened to pull the plug. Sebelius has been sharply critical of the Trump administration's stewardship of the ACA.

Two of the former health secretaries - Leavitt and Sebelius - said states are now likely to assume a bigger role in shaping the future of Obama's law. A waiver pathway for states was built into the law, and Republicans want to make it less restrictive. That's a key focus for Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee Chairman Lamar Alexander, R-Tenn., as he plans bipartisan hearings this fall with Democratic counterpart Patty Murray of Washington.

Leavitt sees waivers as a way to provide states more flexibility to tailor their insurance market rules to local needs and preferences.

Sebelius says that should not be done in a way that undermines federal consumer protections like standard benefits. She'd like to see states use waivers to help offset the cost of care for the sickest patients.

Thompson says he believes a bigger deal, at the federal level, is still possible if Trump plays his cards right with Congress.

Former HHS Secretary Sylvia Burwell, who served during most of Obama's second term, declined interview requests.

© 2017 The Associated Press.
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#3 Posted : Monday, December 18, 2017 8:16:45 PM
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So you REALLY believed Trump when he said he would not touch Social Security and Medicare.

The difference between patriotism and nationalism is that the patriot is proud of his country for what it does, and the nationalist is proud of his country no matter what it does; the first attitude creates a feeling of responsibility, but the second a feeling of blind arrogance that leads to war.
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#4 Posted : Saturday, December 23, 2017 11:33:11 PM
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The difference between patriotism and nationalism is that the patriot is proud of his country for what it does, and the nationalist is proud of his country no matter what it does; the first attitude creates a feeling of responsibility, but the second a feeling of blind arrogance that leads to war.
Sydney J. Harris
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#5 Posted : Friday, December 29, 2017 12:18:18 AM
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Now this is a splendid idea! No corporate welfare.

Why should major employers such as the Walmart get any tax breaks if they don't pay a living wage to their employees? Walmart employees are largely underpaid and most lack any decent healthcare coverage. As a result, Walmart employees cost the US taxpayer tens of billions making up for what they choose to ignore even though they have record breaking profits.


The difference between patriotism and nationalism is that the patriot is proud of his country for what it does, and the nationalist is proud of his country no matter what it does; the first attitude creates a feeling of responsibility, but the second a feeling of blind arrogance that leads to war.
Sydney J. Harris
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#6 Posted : Sunday, December 31, 2017 5:58:40 AM
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Where are all of the refugees of European socialism? They should be pouring into this country, if for no other reason than our world leading health care system. They don't have to worry about death panels and huge waiting times for emergency surgery in THIS country. If you have as little as $100,000.00, you too can enjoy life saving medication and a few days in the hospital! If you don't, then just get over it and die already because you are a worthless burden on society and a drain on our healthcare system.

The difference between patriotism and nationalism is that the patriot is proud of his country for what it does, and the nationalist is proud of his country no matter what it does; the first attitude creates a feeling of responsibility, but the second a feeling of blind arrogance that leads to war.
Sydney J. Harris
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#7 Posted : Sunday, December 31, 2017 6:47:34 AM
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I'll have to admit...

The Socialists in Scandinavia have made a small fortune.
Unfortunately, they started with a large fortune.

These countries have been destroyed by Democratic Socialism.
Bicycles are very popular.
The citizens can't even afford an automobile.

Those people are zealous to win you over,
but for no good. What they want is to alienate you from us,
so that you may have zeal for them. - Galatians 4:17
pontiacfreek66
#8 Posted : Sunday, December 31, 2017 11:03:35 AM
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stevelundgren wrote:

I'll have to admit...

The Socialists in Scandinavia have made a small fortune.
Unfortunately, they started with a large fortune.

These countries have been destroyed by Democratic Socialism.
Bicycles are very popular.
The citizens can't even afford an automobile.




TAKE IT EASY WITH THE FACTS WITH THE GRUBERS STEVE, THEY GOT A LUMP OF COAL FOR CHRISTMAS AND 2018 IS GOING TO BE MUCH WORSE.

ALL THEY HAVE IS MEMES HANDED DOWN FROM THE SOURGRAPE, CORRUPT LEFTOVERS OF THE PREVIOUS MUSLIM ADMINISTRATION.


pontiacfreek66
#9 Posted : Sunday, December 31, 2017 11:42:09 AM
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[quote=rae1214]it's mind boggling that there is so much help available to trump and he surrounds himself with alt.right wackos who wouldn't know, as lyndon johnson once said, "how to pour p**s out of a boot if the instructions were printed on the heel"......


BUHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!THIS HAS TO BE THE MOST LAUGHABLE (AND SAD) POST OF THE 2017 YEAR ON THIS FORUM!!!!

THIS CRUDE, NASTY QUOTE BY lbj IS A CONFORMATION OF THE STUPIDITY OF HISTORY OF PAST AND CONTINUED

DEMOCRATIC LEADERSHIP BY THE POSTER WHEN THE MEMES ARE NOT HANDED FROM ON HIGH!

QUOTING lbj...A MASS MURDERER OF 58,000+ YOUNG AMERICAN MEN AND WOMEN!

RUINING A WHOLE GENERATION OF YOUNG MEN AND WOMEN IN THE USA!

MURDERING COUNTLESS PEOPLE IN SOUTHEAST ASIA!

HAS TO BE IN THE MILLIONS!

PILING ON MULTIPLE TRILLIONS IN DEBT IN TODAYS MONEY! (WHICH IS STILL BEING PAID FOR!)

SHAME ON YOU....
Intangible
#10 Posted : Saturday, January 13, 2018 10:56:46 PM
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The difference between patriotism and nationalism is that the patriot is proud of his country for what it does, and the nationalist is proud of his country no matter what it does; the first attitude creates a feeling of responsibility, but the second a feeling of blind arrogance that leads to war.
Sydney J. Harris
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#11 Posted : Friday, January 19, 2018 4:37:27 PM
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Who has ever known a man in his sixties that whines and cries how innocent he is?? Never before now have I had that experience. He came to my thread and pooped all over it with his hate and nastiness and when I give it back to him he whines and cries about his innocence. "why's everybody always picking on me?" REMOVE YOUR POST FROM MY THREAD OR EXPERIENCE A REAPING WHAT YOU SOW!
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#12 Posted : Friday, January 26, 2018 2:02:44 AM
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Remember how Trump was going to fight the drug companies?

The difference between patriotism and nationalism is that the patriot is proud of his country for what it does, and the nationalist is proud of his country no matter what it does; the first attitude creates a feeling of responsibility, but the second a feeling of blind arrogance that leads to war.
Sydney J. Harris
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#13 Posted : Friday, January 26, 2018 4:32:36 AM
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#14 Posted : Friday, January 26, 2018 6:59:08 AM
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Remember how Trump was going to fight the drug companies?


The difference between patriotism and nationalism is that the patriot is proud of his country for what it does, and the nationalist is proud of his country no matter what it does; the first attitude creates a feeling of responsibility, but the second a feeling of blind arrogance that leads to war.
Sydney J. Harris
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#15 Posted : Friday, February 9, 2018 1:17:03 AM
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Trump wants a parade that can cost well over ten million dollars and a wall that will cost well over ten BILLION dollars, but he doesn't want people to have healthcare.

The difference between patriotism and nationalism is that the patriot is proud of his country for what it does, and the nationalist is proud of his country no matter what it does; the first attitude creates a feeling of responsibility, but the second a feeling of blind arrogance that leads to war.
Sydney J. Harris
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#16 Posted : Sunday, February 25, 2018 11:25:34 PM
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Does the failure to name healthcare a right in the United States Constitution, mean healthcare is not a human right, but the right to own firearms is a God given constitutional right of every human?

The difference between patriotism and nationalism is that the patriot is proud of his country for what it does, and the nationalist is proud of his country no matter what it does; the first attitude creates a feeling of responsibility, but the second a feeling of blind arrogance that leads to war.
Sydney J. Harris
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#17 Posted : Monday, February 26, 2018 6:49:36 AM
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The right to bear arms is a constitutional right.

There is no right to healthcare. Constitutional or otherwise.

Unless you are a communist.
Then there is a government-run healthcare disaster,
like Obamacare, and no gun ownership.

Intangible wrote:
Does the failure to name healthcare a right in the United States Constitution, mean healthcare is not a human right, but the right to own firearms is a God given constitutional right of every human?

Those people are zealous to win you over,
but for no good. What they want is to alienate you from us,
so that you may have zeal for them. - Galatians 4:17
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#18 Posted : Monday, February 26, 2018 6:11:50 PM
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You totally sidestepped my question, unless you believe there is no such thing as human rights. Human rights are meaningless to you, if it isn't in the Constitution, then you think it's just fine to deny basic human rights to any poor individual, all in the name of democracy.

Still you go on about Obama and the right wingnuts claim he was going to take away their guns. In eight years he never made any attempt to take away firearms. He never tried to ban weapons or ownership. You just love to whip the long dead horse.


Does the failure to name healthcare a right in the United States Constitution, mean healthcare is not a human right, but the right to own firearms is a God given constitutional right of every human?




stevelundgren wrote:

The right to bear arms is a constitutional right.

There is no right to healthcare. Constitutional or otherwise.

Unless you are a communist.
Then there is a government-run healthcare disaster,
like Obamacare, and no gun ownership.

Intangible wrote:
Does the failure to name healthcare a right in the United States Constitution, mean healthcare is not a human right, but the right to own firearms is a God given constitutional right of every human?


The difference between patriotism and nationalism is that the patriot is proud of his country for what it does, and the nationalist is proud of his country no matter what it does; the first attitude creates a feeling of responsibility, but the second a feeling of blind arrogance that leads to war.
Sydney J. Harris
stevelundgren
#19 Posted : Tuesday, February 27, 2018 7:21:34 AM
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So I "sidestepped" your ridiculous question?

Government-provided healthcare is not a human right.
And the Constitution deals with constitutional rights, not human rights.
But you toss all that together and then add "firearms" as "a God given constitutional right".

How could anyone answer such a ridiculous question?

Intangible wrote:
You totally sidestepped my question, unless you believe there is no such thing as human rights. Human rights are meaningless to you, if it isn't in the Constitution, then you think it's just fine to deny basic human rights to any poor individual, all in the name of democracy.

Still you go on about Obama and the right wingnuts claim he was going to take away their guns. In eight years he never made any attempt to take away firearms. He never tried to ban weapons or ownership. You just love to whip the long dead horse.


Does the failure to name healthcare a right in the United States Constitution, mean healthcare is not a human right, but the right to own firearms is a God given constitutional right of every human?

stevelundgren wrote:

The right to bear arms is a constitutional right.

There is no right to healthcare. Constitutional or otherwise.

Unless you are a communist.
Then there is a government-run healthcare disaster,
like Obamacare, and no gun ownership.

Intangible wrote:
Does the failure to name healthcare a right in the United States Constitution, mean healthcare is not a human right, but the right to own firearms is a God given constitutional right of every human?



Those people are zealous to win you over,
but for no good. What they want is to alienate you from us,
so that you may have zeal for them. - Galatians 4:17
Intangible
#20 Posted : Wednesday, February 28, 2018 7:57:33 PM
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I didn't say anything about "Government-provided healthcare". Do you believe healthcare is a privilege, not a human right? You don't seem to support any human rights. If a particular right is not written into and guaranteed by the Constitution, are there no rights that deserve protection under the law?

First, the complaint was the mandatory compliance with the ACA. Most people don't like being told how to spend their money, particularly younger workers. Younger workers often don't think seriously about the future and would rather forego having to buy health insurance when they aren't sick. This is understandable, but not the way for-profit insurance works. Insurance depends on all the healthy people to make up for those needing care, this is the way insurance works. It isn't free!

There are millions of people that now pay into the federal programs through payroll deductions. The vast majority are paying into the system at any given time, this is the way Social Security and Medicare operate. Social Security and Medicare have been the most successful, fully funded, federal programs ever. Working people in this nation pay into Social Security and Medicare every day. This isn't free either.






stevelundgren wrote:

So I "sidestepped" your ridiculous question?

Government-provided healthcare is not a human right.
And the Constitution deals with constitutional rights, not human rights.
But you toss all that together and then add "firearms" as "a God given constitutional right".

How could anyone answer such a ridiculous question?

Intangible wrote:
You totally sidestepped my question, unless you believe there is no such thing as human rights. Human rights are meaningless to you, if it isn't in the Constitution, then you think it's just fine to deny basic human rights to any poor individual, all in the name of democracy.

Still you go on about Obama and the right wingnuts claim he was going to take away their guns. In eight years he never made any attempt to take away firearms. He never tried to ban weapons or ownership. You just love to whip the long dead horse.


Does the failure to name healthcare a right in the United States Constitution, mean healthcare is not a human right, but the right to own firearms is a God given constitutional right of every human?

stevelundgren wrote:

The right to bear arms is a constitutional right.

There is no right to healthcare. Constitutional or otherwise.

Unless you are a communist.
Then there is a government-run healthcare disaster,
like Obamacare, and no gun ownership.

Intangible wrote:
Does the failure to name healthcare a right in the United States Constitution, mean healthcare is not a human right, but the right to own firearms is a God given constitutional right of every human?




The difference between patriotism and nationalism is that the patriot is proud of his country for what it does, and the nationalist is proud of his country no matter what it does; the first attitude creates a feeling of responsibility, but the second a feeling of blind arrogance that leads to war.
Sydney J. Harris
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